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SSP Daily Digest: 7/12 (Afternoon Edition)

by: Crisitunity

Mon Jul 12, 2010 at 4:14 PM EDT


CO-Sen: Isn't this the second time this has happened in about a month? Tom Tancredo says something ridiculous, Republican candidate with an eye on the general repudiates the statement, then walks back the repudiation once he realizes that the teabaggers' widdle feewings might get hurt. This time it was Ken Buck (on whose behalf Tancredo called Barack Obama the "greatest threat to the United States today" last week); he might have been helped along in his flip-flopping after Jane Norton, who's losing the primary because Buck outflanked her on the right, started going on about how she agreed with Tancredo,.

FL-Sen: Marco Rubio's having a good day so far: he rolled out a ridiculously big fundraising number for the second quarter: $4.5 million raised. No mention of his CoH, though. (All eyes turn to Charlie Crist, though, for his first report after switching to an indie bid, to see whether that shrank or expanded his pool of donors.) Rubio's second bit of good news is an endorsement from Crist's former right-hand-man, temporary Sen. George LeMieux. (Since LeMieux reportedly has designs on Bill Nelson's seat, and he seems to prefer running as a Republican and not on the Crist For Florida line, what else is he going to do, though?)

NH-Sen: I know, I know, straw poll, terrible gauge of broad public support, take with salt, bla bla bla. Still, here's a barometer of where the hardcore Live Free or Die crowd currently stands: Ovide Lamontagne dominated the straw poll at the Taxpayer Reunion Picnic, an annual gathering of those who were teabagging long before it was cool. He won 109 to 74 over Jim Bender, a rich guy who's going the crazy viral ad route. Establishment candidate Kelly Ayotte and moderate outsider Bill Binnie were at 23 and 10.

WA-Sen: Clint Didier, apparently aware of the stink lines of rank hypocrisy radiating off him, said that he's swearing off farm subsidies in the future. (Seeing as how it made him look like the worst possible caricature of the teabaggers' mantra of "I hate the gub'ment! Except when it's giving me money for doing nothing!") Apparently that was enough absolution for Rep. Ron Paul's satisfaction, as he threw his backing behind Didier this weekend.

WV-Sen: Rep. Shelly Capito Moore is at least honest about being scared about running for Senate (almost certainly against highly popular Gov. Joe Manchin), although she isn't couching it in terms of being afraid of Manchin per se, instead saying "I'm afraid to lose momentum that I think I provide for the state." At any rate, she says she'll make her (seeming unlikely) decision whether to run in the next few days, probably coinciding with the clarification on the election's when and how, to be decided in a July 15 legislative special session.

AZ-Gov: Ain't that a kick in the head? State Treasurer Dean Martin, who was regarded as something of a frontrunner when he jumped into the GOP primary earlier this year, is suspending his campaign, ostensibly because he didn't want to be a distraction to Gov. Jan Brewer as she fights lawsuits over SB 1070. In reality, Martin never really caught fire, first when rich self-funder Owen Buz Mills grabbed the not-Brewer mantle and then, mostly, when Brewer suddenly became belle of the right-wing ball when she signed SB 1070.

FL-Gov: Bill McCollum apparently didn't want to be touting his fundraising numbers, but they're out anyway, thanks to a court filing pertaining to Rick Scott's challenge to the state public financing system. At any rate, McCollum's sitting on a paltry $800K in cash, a mere blip compared to what Scott can pull out of his own wallet. Of course, Scott could still pull defeat out of the jaws of victory, by antagonizing pretty much the entire RPOF by trying to hang ex-state party chair Jim Greer around McCollum's neck... and by staking his pro-life credentials on a family who are loudly preferring that he shut up about them.

GA-Gov: InsiderAdvantage, which offered its poll of the GOP primary last week, has a matching Dem poll today. The question for Dems isn't whether Roy Barnes gets the most votes but whether he avoids a runoff, and they seem to err on the side of "no runoff:" Barnes is at 59, with Thurbert Baker at 15, and Dubose Porter and David Poythress both at 2, behind someone by the name of Bill Bolton (at 3). Meanwhile, on the GOP side, it seemed like something of an oversight that this endorsement hadn't happened before, but Sarah Palin finally added Karen Handel to the ever-growing list of Mama Grizzlies. UPDATE: Thurbert Baker just got a top-tier endorsement, from Bill Clinton. It may be too late for that to matter much, though, because at this point Baker needs to not only win all the undecideds but peel away a significant number of Barnes voters. (H/t TheUnknown285.)

MI-Gov: Motor City endorsements aplenty in the Democratic gubernatorial primary in Michigan: Andy Dillon got the backing of former Detroit mayor Dennis Archer, who many observers thought would have made the strongest candidate had he run. Virg Bernero got endorsements from Detroit's two House members, John Conyers and Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick.

MN-Gov: Republican nominee Tom Emmer seems to have dug a large hole for himself with his proposal to start including tips toward restaurant servers' minimum wage requirement (which has the effect of slashing their hourly base pay); he's planning on doing a "listening tour" with servers as atonement. Also adding to Emmer's worries is blowback from his Sarah Palin endorsement, which helped him upset Marty Seifert at the GOP convention but is now already being used as a cudgel in general election advertising (courtesy of Matt Entenza). Meanwhile, Entenza's Democratic rival Margaret Anderson Kelliher is running her first TV spot; the total buy is for only about $50K, though.

NE-Gov: Democrats in Nebraska seem to be actively considering just punting the ball, rather than trying to find a replacement candidate for nominee Mark Lakers. On the plus side, that would free up local Democratic money for other ventures (like the race in NE-02), in what was destined to be a thorough loss even with Lakers in the race. On the other hand, Tom White's challenge to Lee Terry would probably benefit from having, well, something at the top of the ballot.

PA-Gov: If Tom Corbett is trying to position himself as a moderate for the general election, well, this isn't the way. He's publicly using the Sharron Angle line of argumentation that unemployment benefits cause more unemployment, because, naturally, people would rather live on their meager checks than go out and get one of those many abundant jobs that are out there. The ads write themselves... presuming the Democrats ever get around to actually writing them.

TN-Gov: A mysterious 527 (is there any other kind?) has emerged to pour money into the Tennessee GOP primary. There's no word on who's the power behind the throne for Tennesseans for a Better Tomorrow, but they'll be advertising on behalf of Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, who's back in third in the polls and needs a surrogate to do the dirty work of negative advertising against Bill Haslam.

AZ-03: Jon Hulburd's fundraising (and self-funding ability) is the main thing keeping this red-district open seat race at least somewhat on the map for the Dems; he's announcing $250K raised last quarter. (No word on CoH.)

CO-04: Freshman Rep. Betsy Markey had a strong quarter, raising $530K and sitting on $1.5 million CoH. In this Republican-leaning district, she'll need every penny of it to get through this year.

KS-04: Democratic State Rep. Raj Goyle, whose fundraising skills have put this dark-red open seat onto the map, is out with an introductory TV spot. Seems a little earlier for that, doesn't it? We'd guess that he's concerned about the primary (remember that there was a SurveyUSA poll a few weeks back that showed him not that far ahead of Some Dude with, well, a more 'Merican sounding name) and not wanting to go the route of historical footnote Vic Rawl.

MO-08: Tommy Sowers, if nothing else, is showing a lot of hustle in his long-shot bid against GOP Rep. Jo Ann Emerson in this dark-red rural district. He says he's passed the $1 million mark for funds raised over the total cycle (nothing specific on 2Q or CoH, though).

NJ-03: Democratic freshman Rep. John Adler seems to be putting some fundraising distance between himself and Jon Runyan. Adler raised $415K in 2Q to break the $2 million mark for CoH, while Runyan has about $500K in cash.

NY-01: Randy Altschuler's got a whole lotta cash: he's reporting $1.8 million CoH. A lot of that is coming right of the Altschuler family piggy bank, though. He raised a decent $257K last quarter, but loaned himself another $500K on top of that.

OH-16: Yikes! GOP nominee Jim Renacci must have some deep-pocketed connections from the high-stakes world of Arena Football, because he's reporting $725K raised last quarter. (No word on CoH.)

PA-04: This is kind of a small haul to be touting (touting may not be the right word, actually, when even your own campaign adviser calls it "not half bad"), but maybe it's a good amount when you weren't even supposed to have won the primary in the first place. Keith Rothfus, who blasted establishment fave Mary Beth Buchanan in the GOP primary, says he has $200K CoH (up from $157K in his pre-primary report ... no word on what he actually raised).

VA-05: Finally, here's the delicious cherry on top of the shit sundae of fundraising reports: Tom Perriello announces that he raised $660K last quarter, giving him $1.7 million CoH. No word yet from Robert Hurt, but with $121K on hand in his May 19 pre-primary report, I can imagine it's not in Perriello's ballpark. The Richmond Times-Dispatch has an interesting compare-and-contrast enterprise in how Perriello and fellow vulnerable freshman Dem Glenn Nye are approaching their re-elections (Perriello emphasizing his base, Nye emphasizing his independence); clearly, based on these numbers, playing to the base can pay off, at least at the bank.

CA-LG (pdf): We're still sweeping up from that last installment of the Field Poll. In the Lt. Governor's race, there's surprisingly good news for Dems, with Gavin Newsom looking solid against appointed GOPer Abel Maldonado, leading 43-34. The Attorney General results aren't that surprising: Republican Los Angeles Co. DA Steve Cooley has a narrow edge over SF DA Kamala Harris, 37-34.

Illinois: It looks like we'll never have another Scott Lee Cohen scenario again (or for that matter, probably not even another Jason Plummer scenario). Pat Quinn signed into law new legislation requiring, from now on, that Governor and Lt. Governor tickets are joined together before the primary, not after.

Rasmussen:
IN-Sen: Brad Ellsworth (D) 30%, Dan Coats (R) 51%
MD-Gov: Martin O'Malley (D-inc) 46%, Bob Ehrlich (R) 47%

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Rasmussen news
http://www.salon.com/news/poli...

Pollster Scott Rasmussen, who maintains he is reliable and independent despite criticism from Democrats that he tilts to the right, will in November speak for no fee on a post-election National Review cruise to raise money for the conservative magazine.

Besides Rasmussen, the week-long cruise features an impressive lineup of conservative operatives, journalists, and academics -- Karl Rove, Andrew Breitbart, Phyllis Schlafly, and Jonah Goldberg, to name just a few -- and will sail around the Caribbean stopping at ports in the Bahamas, Grand Cayman, and Cozumel, Mexico.

Given concerns about the pollster's Republican-friendly results, it's safe to assume Rasmussen appearing on a cruise alongside right-wing celebrities to help National Review make money will not quiet fears that the pollster is far from independent.


Thanks for sharing that
As if I needed a last nail in the coffin...  Maybe this can be my steak in the heart?

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GA-GOV (GOP)
Palin's endorsement of Handel makes perfect sense, neither of them understand the idea of actually serving a full term in office.

Also, Handel's the reason we have Brian Kemp as our current SoS! That alone is reason enough to vote against her.

Interesting also that Palin endorses the only GOP Gubernatorial candidate NOT endorsed by the Georgia Right To Life.

Finally, Handel's got quite a history with the GA Log Cabin Republicans stemming from her stint as Fulton County Commission Chair. I guess one could argue that she had to reach out to different constituencies because it was a Metro seat, I think it'll do more harm than good with Middle and South GA Republicans and even most Democrats.


GA-GOV (DEM)
It is a shame that Porter, Baker, Barnes, and Poythress are running for the same seat. I had hoped the party learned from the 2006 Gubernatorial Primary between Taylor and Cox. We're not the party of old that could field all the top talent into one race.

Clinton supporting Baker is not a big surprise for anyone who followed the Presidential race in Georgia. Most of the big names here, such as Barnes and Porter, were originally behind Edwards. Others, such as Lewis, were originally behind Clinton, then backed out and supported Obama. Baker, however, stayed with Hillary.

So yeah, Clinton endorses the one who stuck with Hillary in 2008. Endorsing Barnes or Porter was obviously out of the question.

Speaking of endorsements, Porter also rolled out a few endorsements from his fellow State Representatives:

http://www.blogfordemocracy.or...

Barnes will win this without the need for a run-off.


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What chance would you give Barnes in November
against Oxendine and Handel?

[ Parent ]
Do you think Oxendine can beat Handel
in a runoff?  Because I think Handel will be difficult to beat, even if she loses lots of voters in rural Georgia because of her supposed moderation on social issues.

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Yes
Oxendine has plenty of issues, but I believe he'll pull it off.

If Handel loses Rural Georgia in the General, she's toast.


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VA-05: what the RTD story and others miss that's critically important is...
...that nothing else is on the ballot in Virginia this November.  It's just the U.S. House seats.

That means Perriello and Nye and everyone else needs voters to show up just for him.  Nothing else is happening to drive turnout (save perhaps for the scattered oddball special election for a vacant local office here or there).

In that situation, who is going to show up just for Glenn Nye?  He's got a tough sell to make.

In contrast, Perriello has plenty to sell his base and persuade them to show up just for him.

I've been on record for a long time that whatever happens to Perriello this November, he'll outperform Nye.  If Perriello loses, Nye loses by a bigger margin.  If Nye wins, Perriello wins by a bigger margin.  I'm quite confident we won't see a Nye win and Perriello loss, but the reverse is possible.  If I'm wrong and Nye outperforms Perriello, I'll eat my words and will want to see exactly how such a thing could've happened.  It will have to have been that independents viewed the two very differently...but I don't see that Nye is so favorably viewed by indies in what is really an anti-Democratic environment, and Nye is no Bobby Bright in his voting record, he's half-assed it just enough to piss off everybody.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


I agree
Perriello also has a much stronger message in arguing for populism over corporatism. He has also worked much harder, and I remember some messaging problems earlier with Nye. Despite the tougher district, I also expect Perriello to outperform Nye.

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Not entirely true
there are municipal elections here in Virginia Beach, but it's not like those will drive turnout.

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Thanks, I didn't know that. Those races WILL help turnout somewhat......
There are definitely people who show up primarily for local stuff.  Indeed, these are not uncommonly LOW-information voters who are more concerned with their communities and local politics than anything at the state or federal level.

Up here in NoVA there's nothing on the November ballot except the Congressionals.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I don't know enough about their districts, but
Is it possible that Nye's district has more moderates? I know that most of the margin of Perriello's win came from his strength in liberal Charlottesville. Nye's district doesn't seem to have any liberal centers. If he's trying to keep moderates happy, he may be pursuing the right strategy....or at least, trying to pursue the right strategy.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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You don't keep "moderates" happy the way Nye is voting......
"Moderates" can be described as two ways.  First, most are loyal Democrats, and frankly many are really just liberals who've internalized from the Reagan era that "liberal" is a bad word.  That "moderates" everywhere vote overwhelmingly for Democrats all the time is the reason we win elections as much as we do, since conservatives significantly outnumber self-identified liberals.  An elected official doesn't make "moderates" happy by voting against Democratic priorities, as the "moderates" support those priorities.

The second way one can describe "moderates," just as accurately as above, is if you conflate them with independents and soft partisans, in which case they are not a like-minded bloc or anything remotely close to it.  They are all over the map on issues, agreeing with each other on nothing.  These kinds of "moderates" can include culturally conservative unionized factory workers or white suburban anti-tax, socially liberal professionals.  Or so many other combinations of demographics and issue positions and priorities.  These voters, too, aren't won over by a particular voting record.

Ultimately Virginia 2010 is a turnout election far more so than all but maybe a couple other states that share the distinction of having only U.S. House races on the ballot.  With only one thing on everyone's ballot, people are showing up for one of two things:  (1) for or against YOU; or, (2) for or against your party.  This is an anti-Democratic (*not* "anti-incumbent") year, and in districts like VA-02 and VA-05 Republicans have a decided advantage with people showing up for or against a party.  Perriello and Nye each has to cancel that out with voters showing up for HIM.  Perriello has been a Congressman who can drum up that turnout.  Nye cannot.

Contrast that with, say, Jason Altmire's or Mike Arcuri's situations.  Altmire has open-seat Senate and Governor's races driving turnout.  People will vote for and against him who wouldn't show up just to vote for or against him.  Same with Arcuri, who is helped more than Altmire I think in that the 2 Senate seats and open Governorship there aren't even competitive, with only the Democrats running strong campaigns likely to drive turnout.

Even downballot coattails matter.  Bill Owens in NY-23 was helped by a lot of local races on the ballot across the district in last November's special, and a lot of voters were missed in public polling turnout models who showed up primarily for those and voted for Owens out of resentment toward carpetbagging teabaggers.

Nye, by the way, is in a clearly less conservative and less Republican district than Perriello, so I don't take it lightly in saying Perriello will outperform Nye.  But that's how much I think the turnout twist in Virginia will matter.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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This is why there won't be a GOP wave this November
• CO-Sen: Isn't this the second time this has happened in about a month? Tom Tancredo says something ridiculous, Republican candidate with an eye on the general repudiates the statement, then walks back the repudiation once he realizes that the teabaggers' widdle feewings might get hurt. This time it was Ken Buck (on whose behalf Tancredo called Barack Obama the "greatest threat to the United States today" last week); he might have been helped along in his flip-flopping after Jane Norton, who's losing the primary because Buck outflanked her on the right, started going on about how she agreed with Tancredo,.


26, male, Dem, NJ-12

Cao Poll Shows Big Lead
http://hotlineoncall.nationalj...
Kinda hard to believe. I wish PPP would poll it. I believe he is popular, but, no matter how popular he is, its hard to win as a Republican here, especially a non-black one.  

My guess
as in years past, a lot of blacks flirt with voting for non-black and GOP candidates in polls, and them come home at the end.

I doubt Cao will get anywhere near the 39% among blacks he is getting in this poll.  He'll get between 10-15% if lucky.  (And I'm sure Obama will cut an ad for the Democrat in that district.)


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Nope, it's almost surely a (mis)"informed" ballot test result......
See my comment elsewhere on this subthread.

I got polled this way just a few weeks ago, I'm almost certain for the Jeff Barnett campaign in VA-10.  You get a horse race question, then positive descriptions for both candidates and re-test of the horserace, and then negative descriptions of the opponent and a final horserace question.  Of course demographic questions are thrown in there, too, for turnout modeling.

Cao probably is giving the results of the last horserace question.

He's not up 51-26, or anything remotely close to that.  That's not an accurate poll.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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This sounds like fraud to me
I got polled this way just a few weeks ago, I'm almost certain for the Jeff Barnett campaign in VA-10.  You get a horse race question, then positive descriptions for both candidates and re-test of the horserace, and then negative descriptions of the opponent and a final horserace question.  Of course demographic questions are thrown in there, too, for turnout modeling.

Cao probably is giving the results of the last horserace question.

To claim what is effectively a push poll as actual results is fraud, IMO.  It would be R2000K level fraud (if they are guilty of what they are accused of).


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It's not a push poll, period
Push polls don't gather data, they are basically used to change people's minds about given candidates and don't serve any other purpose. What Cao is releasing is (most likely) a poll that had horse-race numbers done after extensive message testing (which is a legitimate function of any pollster). The numbers are dishonest for the reason that they aren't disclosing exactly what was released (which is most likely a number with a positive spin for Cao but a negative spin for the Democrat, and like DCCyclone has said repeatedly, the campaigns actually use this information). This is the reason why internal polling that has been released to the public by a campaign are unreliable, we don't really know which numbers we're seeing.

I think we need to be a lot more careful when throwing out words like fraud and push-polling because it misses what those two terms really mean.

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Message testing: aka "best case scenario"
what happens if a given message by a candidate is successful (and unopposed).

In other words, it suggests a path to victory for Cao if his opponent pulls a Coakley. (if I'm understanding correctly)


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The question is whether or not it's realistic
The only thing I can think of that Cao's pollster asked these people who they're voting for after stating that Cao once saved a cat from a tree while Richmond burned a cat alive.

I don't care how bad the environment is for Democrats, I don't buy for a second that any Republican has anything approaching a 50% approval rating in New Orleans, nor do I believe that he's leading anyone by double-digit anything (no matter what the scenario).

The numbers are just completely crazy, which is why I don't buy them.

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Yup, and the reality of the math is...
...if Richmond or LaFonta wins only black votes, either still will win 90% of those and win an outright majority even in the Cao poll's turnout model of a 57% black electorate.

Cao will be lucky to break 40% this November.  He'll outperform greatly if he loses by only 15, and 20-plus is more likely his margin of defeat.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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No question the numbers are crazy
short of the Ds nominating an Alvin Greene in the district. (I think Cao could even edge out someone like Greene.)

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Bit dusty isn't it?


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"Horseshit" is a more accurate description......
I imagine Cao is trying to raise money and publishes those numbers as the "informed" ballot test result where voters were "informed" that Cao is really Jesus and Richmond eats babies for breakfast.

If they would have published something along the lines of Cao in a dead heat, that would have been something a few people might believe, as incredulous as even that would be.

But Cao up 51-26?  That's gut-busting laughable.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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More reason to question modern polling
Verne Kennedy's analysis of how such a ridiculous poll result could occur is absurd. Cao's voting is way out of line with the district and there are very few plausible scenarios where he could win against a viable Dem, and literally none where he could win by any margin. It is highly improbable that Cao could squeak out victory even in the best of scenarios.  

Democrat: TN-8

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Some thoughts as a once and future New Orleans resident
(Disclaimer: I'm highly likely to be volunteering for Cao's Democratic opponent)

I'm actually not surprised Cao's approval is positive.  He's been doing a lot of town halls/ jobs fairs and generally been coming across as a decent caring guy.  I think quite a few people voting against him may respect him.

That said there is no way in hell he has only a 9% disapproval rating.  I strongly doubt any member of the 111th Congress has anything less than a 25% disapproval rating at home, even in a district very favorable to them.

I hope and expect local Democrats will not take this race for granted.  We have two great candidates and it would be a massive shame to Coakley this one up.  If this poll makes us work harder that's okay with me.


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



[ Parent ]
25% are always there to vote against any incumbent
I think its a good rule of thumb in the vast majority of  elected offices that you can count on a 25% base against any incumbent. You always have people who will be unhappy for some reason or other.

Democrat: TN-8

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Pretty much agree
Some in extremely one sided districts can win more than 75% against a major party opponent.  (Barbara Lee beat no-named Republican 86%-9% for instance).  But short of those rare cases that it's a good rule.  And in this horrible climate for incumbents I would think most if not all incumbents are disliked by at least 25% everywhere, even if many of those disliking them may end up voting for them anyway out of party loyalty/ habit.  

Bottom line: there is simply no way Cao has only 9% disapproving of him.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



[ Parent ]
Pah
Alvin Greene would beat Cao in this district!

33, living in Germany  

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PPP
The choices are Washington & New Mexico & New Hampshire & Nevada & Florida & Delaware (Really...) and Colorado.


28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

An added bonus
for Nevada and New Mexico are House races. There are at least two competitive in those two states.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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I chose Colorado
because it gives clear Senate and Gov choices to compare to recent Ras nonsense.

On the other hand, New Mexico is most interesting but getting zilch votes (as is Washington).

Delaware and Florida are of little value at this point (I suppose I don't care much about any primaries).


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Colorado is
getting zilch votes as well haha

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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Observations from FL panhandle
Just got back from the beach-
-Bentley leads, Byrne has momentum. Byrne signs are everywhere, and he has a much larger TV presence. I never saw one Bentley ad the whole week. I saw a bunch for Byrne and outside groups on Byrne's behalf.
-Rick Scott, big$$ groups supporting him, and Jeff Greene=extremely annoying. Ads are constantly playing.
-Got pretty excited going thru MS, saw a Steven Palazzo sign.  

Yep
I am back home visiting family for a weeks and the Greene ads are running non-stop regarding his new-found 'support' for clean energy jobs and small business tax cuts. I suppose Meek will hold onto his money until the primary approaches. On a side note, I have registered for my absentee primary ballot and am looking forward to soon casting my vote.

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Not too surprised about the Bryne sign advantage
He's from the Mobile area so he should have a lot of signs there.  

Strange tidbit: in the San Jose area it always feels like whoever has the most signs loses.  I barely ever see any except from hopeless campaigns: in 2006 Mike Honda's opponent bombarded my town with them, and so did the Paulites in 2007.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



[ Parent ]
Agree on the signage, signs can't vote
Campaigns that obsess over signage usually lack the emphasis on ground and contact operations to do the real leg-work of campaigning. I never understood why large ROW signage in particular gets as out of control as it does, it's like candidates think signs can vote. Signs can't vote!

At best ROW signage gets you tertiary voters who vote a ballot line on the name they remember seeing the most, i.e. the lowest information voter. Neighborhood yard signage I think it can be argued garners superior results, as neighbors will often go with the herd, or "hey my neighbors must know this guy is swell!". Plus, strong yard signs are often the result effective and comprehensive canvassing operations.

Democrat: TN-8


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AL-GOV
Byrne's got like 4 ads running on TV now while Bentley as 1.

Byrne's the establishment support, just look at the current and former Congressmen backing him.

Not sure what the AL-GOP is thinking with this.

Byrne might win, but Bentley is a better candidate.

The AEA is going to tear Byrne to shreds.


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The AEA
has been mentioned a lot in this primary, how powerful are they?!

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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IL-Gov/Lt. Gov
They should just let the Governor choose their Lt. Gov candidate after they win the nomination.  If it's good enough for the highest office in the land....plus if there's a bruising primary, you can tap your vanquished foe as your runningmate for Party Unity (MA).

PPP choices
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...
CO, DE, FL, NV, NH, NM, WA are your choices. I voted NM to cause I want some house races.  

Tom
said he would poll House races in Nevada. (I asked him in the comments)

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
I vote for NH

When they polled NH they poll too the two House races.

But the more interesting can be the troubles in the Republican primary.


[ Parent ]
House races
They will poll the house races in NH, NV, DE, and NM if they poll those states.  

[ Parent ]
The question is
what House race needs to be polled?

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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I think NM
We all know the results in the others: In NV, Heller and Berkely have huge leads, while Titus trails by mid-single digits, in NH, Bass leads the primary and general, a Republican has a high-single digit, low-double digit lead of Shea-Porter, in DE, Carney has a huge lead. In NM, we can see if recent scandals and Martinez's surprising strength has helped Pearce, and if Barela is really as strong as the media says.  

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Right now
you say it like Shea-Porter (the incumbent) will lose by 10 points. I mean, really? Wasn't she down by 1 point (?) in May?

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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The polls
I think they will show her down by between 5 and 10 points.  

[ Parent ]
So you're making it up. Right. That's what I thought. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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You just said...
...you "think" polling "will show her down" by 5-10 points.

That's typed as if you're speculating, not reflective of polling that's already been released.

I don't recall any polling showing Shea-Porter down that much.  I just looked up PPP, and they had Shea-Porter down a point, 46-45, against Guinta in April.  That's the only poll I've seen that I trust.  Perhaps UNH polled it, but most of us here don't trust UNH all that much, as they're track record has been weak.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I want to see DE-AL polled
It's one of the few seats the Dems look likely to pick up, but who knows how things will go, since there's yet another Republican millionaire candidate in the mix since the last poll. I'd like to see if Carney is still leading, especially since there's been no news out of Delaware in months.

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He's still way ahead
Rollins has not started spending yet, and I doubt she is too well known.  

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Interested in the DE-Sen race
and the primary, I want to see Erick Erickson-backed Christine O'Donnell get crushed.

[ Parent ]
GA-10: Bankgate putting Broun Jr. in hot water

Looks like Paul Broun Jr's involvement in a failed bank is getting a second look in a report to be released in September (h/t Blake Aued):

 

The AJC has more details about the bank part-owned by Rep. Paul Broun going under.
Not long before it lost its multi-year fight for survival, McIntosh Commercial Bank had lost so much money on such loans that, by one measure, it was financially the weakest of Georgia’s roughly 300 banks. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. estimates the closure will cost its deposit insurance fund more than $123 million.


Big numbers for Scott Murphy challenger
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...
He raised nearly 500k in the quarter.  

Good numbers...
We will not be able to judge really until we see Murphy's numbers.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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I'm still flabbergahsted
At how fundraising goes in my old home district.  What was once heavily farming and rural has somehow really become home of top-notch fundraising.  

I guess there is a grain of salt given its really his first quarter of fundraising so maybe there was easy money to be had.  

I'm guessing Murphy's CoH will dwarf Gibson's but its not that expensive of a district to run in.


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Fiorina and Whitman lead in latest SurveyUSA poll
Well
that's the exact opposite of the Field Poll.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
You mean...
  The "Respected Field Poll".

   That has become its new full name (sort of like how you can't say just Tom McClintock, it is "Conservative Icon Tom McClintock"). Gotta say it right, LOL...

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28


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Probably an outlier, although I do believe both are legit toss-ups
It's just that both Whitman and Fiorina are netting about a third of the African-American vote, and I find that awfully hard to believe, esp. in the latter's case.

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Agree that their both toss-ups
But this poll seems to be an outlier. Obama's approval in the poll is 40/38 and I really find that hard to believe.

You could make the argument that in a 40/38 sample, the fact that the Republican Candidates are only ahead within the margin of error bodes badily for them in the election where the electorate will be at least 55% approval.


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The sample is 42 Democrat /33 Republican /24 Independent


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Sample is probably representative
http://www.swingstateproject.c...

Per the '06 CNN exit poll, it was 40/35/25 (D/R/I)

FWIW, current registration from http://www.capitolweekly.net/a... is

45/31/20 (D/R/I)

(I assume the remaining 4-5 % are members of other parties.)

Field is the gold standard in CA, and per http://www.swingstateproject.c... has Brown up 44/43.

SUSA is the standard nationwide for state polls, and the PDF has Whitman over Brown 46/39. ref http://www.surveyusa.com/clien... .  Hope Field is right.


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This is around the time
SUSA came out with the VA-Gov numbers that seemed outrageous, but ended up being very, very close. I hope the same happens this year!  

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Hmm
to be fair, SUSA wasn't the only pollster that detected McDonnell was going to win by at least 10 points on election night. Basically every pollster including Rasmussen and the frauds at R2K had McDonnell above 10 points. But the trend line is worrying for Jerry Brown. Fiorina has HP working against her, but if Boxer is reaching Schwarzenegger like approval ratings and Dems suffer another 1994 like night this November Fiorina could win.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Even in another 1994
Boxer will be reelected.  The reason is that Boxer will run against Fiorina on her extreme anti-choice position in the NoCal and against her anti-immigration position (which I agree with Fiorina) in SoCal.  

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Not this early
They were the first, in late July, and everyone here dismissed it as an outlier.  

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The SUSA
poll in July was most likely an outlier. It was just a stroke of luck as the Deeds campaign was completely collapsing in October polls showed the pendulum swinging towards McDonnell big time.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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And they consistently showed Obama-McCain a tossup with McCain even leading in Minnesota......
But they were wrong.

SUSA is a good outfit, but they have their outliers like everyone else.

And when they had McDonnell up by a much bigger margin in VA-Gov than all other pollsters in the late summer/early fall, there's no reason to think they were right.  They were no more right on the actual outcome than all the other pollsters, who also said McDonnell by a ton through October.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Ah, SurveyUSA...
...the king of outliers... Of course, they were ahead of the game in CA for the primaries, so who knows...  they really have high conservative samples, don't they?

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Pa-Gov
I actually doubt Corbett suffers because of his comments.  Even Onorato has given a very noncommittal statement when it comes to unemployment benefits.  If Onorato thought this was an issue, he would be out there saying he supports an extension of benefits instead of giving a wishy washy answer.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

Corbett can only lose this race...
...by opening his mouth.  If he articulates 0 positions and makes 0 speeches and has 0 policy discussions, Onorato would still need a PERFECT campaign to win.

Why Corbett is saying anything, especially in July, is baffling.


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Corbett has Coakley issues
He could easily be a Republican Martha Coakley.  This was an off the cuff remark that has some accuracy actually and probably be electorally insignificant or a wash if it is, but you should not take the risk.

It is fascinating from my perspective that I have actually heard similar things from employers in different parts of Pennsylvania.  My father does office and field work for a major logistics company and he has told me repeatedly that many of their customers cannot get skilled tradesmen even in areas with 12 to 15 percent unemployment.  Most of the unemployed are not adequately trained in these fields so they have to look outside the state for labor.  

If Onorato was a good campaigner, he would have taken this as the chance to promote a plan to retrain these workers or potentially advocate requiring workers who receive long term unemployment benefits (6 months or more) to be required to attend some sort of career training to retain the benefits.  Alas, I suspect Onorato is a dud that will not be able to capitalize on any Corbett missteps as Corbett might be a Republican Coakley, but Onorato is definitely not a Democratic Scott Brown.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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I don't blame Onorato
This issue wouldn't gain much traction anyways.  Its summer, a heavy part of the non-black Dem population in SEPA is at the Jersey Shore half the summer anyways.

Its also a good idea not to try attacks so soon if he does believe this is a good one.  Waiting to get closer could make the issue more poignant and harder to defend against, especially if COrbett has months to walk it back and doesn't.  I just don't think Philly is all that concerned with politics until after Labor Day.

Even the "top tier" Sestak-Toomey race has little play in everyday conversation.


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I don't know that a state can condition unemployment benefits on training......
Disclosure, I work professionally as a lawyer in the area of unemployment benefits, and I don't know if a state is allowed under federal law to condition benefits on training.  Unemployment benefits are generally supposed to be available for whatever permitted length of time for individuals who are unemployed due to lack of suitable work.  I don't know if your suggestion can be done without federal law being amended to allow it.  And requiring training means also the government paying for the retraining, which gets expensive.  The federal government already does that for trade-displaced workers, and if you extend that to everyone, I personally would call it good policy, but it's expensive:  in the billions of dollars I'm guessing.

As a political tool, Onorato can advocate for such a thing, but he's running for Governor, not federal office, so it would just be a stump speech, not something he can do.  Oh, and he'd get bashed for pushing for MORE FEDERAL SPENDING!  Omigod!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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MN-06 SUSA POLL
This is off a a right wing website but I expect it will be on KSTP TV's website tonight sometime tonight after their local news.

http://www.minnesotademocratse...

Tom Hauser is reporting that Republican Michele Bachmann leads DFL challenger Tarryl Clark 48% to 39% in new KSTP/SurveyUSA poll.

Margin of error is 4.2%. More at 6 pm.

FWIW SUSA's polls in Minnesota have been far more favorable to Republicans than other pollsters.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


Watched the local news
Bachmann (R) - 48%
Clark (DFL) 39%
Anderson (IP) 6%

Other/Undecided 7%

Much close than the PPP poll of the race in December that had Bachmann leading 55-37

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


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Those are very nice numbers
And I bet Clark is not very well known while Bachmann is already at her peak.  Once the attack ads start Bachmann can only go down as there is no way her positive ads about herself will change any minds.

What could happen is that Bachmann tar and feathers Clark and that vote goes to the Indy candidate.  But Clark should be thrilled with only being down 9% after having only airing one round of attack ads.


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Crosstabs
http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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Things that make you go HMMM
Bachmann leading 54-27 with 18-34 year olds? Bachmann getting 17% of the Liberal vote?

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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Another one
I have to stop talking to myself here but another crosstab that has me scratching my head.

Likely Voters:

Men 54%
Women 46%

Bachmann leads with men 56%-31%. Clark leads with women 47%-39%

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


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I'll repeat the lesson I've learned over time: crosstabs are unreliable, toplines are not......
You can question a turnout model, but then SUSA's methodology is not to weight for anything and let self-identified "likely voters" fall where they may demographically.

But crosstabs are horribly unreliable.  Their margins of error are sky high.  And age crosstabs are usually the worst because there are so many age categories that the subsamples are among the smallest, and the margins of error so large that their voting breakdown is worthless.

The crosstab problems significantly cancel each other out so that the topline is still reliable, assuming the turnout model and other sources of error aren't causing entirely different problems.

In this case, the topline is totally believable.  Remember Bachmann won in strongly Democratic years her first two times.  She won 46-44 over Tinklenberg last time, and she beat Wetterling 50-42 the first time.  Bachmann has the wind at her back this time, but goes out of her way to offend and insult as many people as possible, and that combo makes 48-39 totally believable.

Clark has raised good money and has plenty of material to use against Bachmann, but timing has sucked against this Batshit Crazy Dipshit.  Clark would have won in 2006 or 2008, but 2010 is just really hard.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Oh, I think Bachmann is going to win...
... probably by double digits, I just found some of the cross tabs seriously out of whack.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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She will win
I think this election is going to see a lot of loud mouths win because people are outraged in general.  This means if you are outrageous, you might get votes just because you are out there fighting the Man regardless if its the big government Man or the corporate Man.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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Agree with the loud mouths winning
I think you may be right about the loud mouths winning in this cycle. I think there are voters inclined to support candidates who are vocal and passionate about what they see as right or wrong with the direction of the country, whether they fully agree with the candidate or not. I think Alan Grayson has a strong chance of winning because of this mood within a portion of the electorate.

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Loud mouths
It is interesting how Grayson and Bachmann both represent districts that should not return loud mouths, regardless of their ideology, but they will likely return both of them.  

In my book, this is a very irrational response.  I would argue that the problem is that both parties lack strong pragmatists that are capable of forging deals and solving problems.  They are the key to our system working as we do not have strong enough party control on either side to muscle through legislation like our cousins in the UK have.  The pragmatists are the ones who solve the big problems not the ideologues as the more pragmatic members seem to have a willingness to sell a few parts of their agenda for obtaining a mutually shared goal.  Right now we have very few members with the same goals is the problem.  

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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Since when
Has govt been about solving problems.  I,m like most members of Congress, believe its about getting yourself re-elected, serving your own ambitions, getting media exposure and so on.

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It has got worse
I would argue that somewhere between the late 1990s and today the situation became substantially worse.  I think its really tied to the ever increasing search for ideological purity within the respective caucuses.  

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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I think media is a hge issue
And I don't mean the partisan media.  I hate Fox News and MSNBC equally to be honest.

I think the prevalence of tv media (in politics), the internet, blogs, etc. has really played a big part.  America has really become in search of a "gotcha" moment in all aspects of public figures (from Lindsay Lohan to Michelle Bachmann).  

What does either have to gain by changing their ways?  So why not keep acting in your own slef interest no matter how crazy/inappropriate/illegal it is.

Time was canddidates discussed issues.  Now they fervently hate each other before even meeting each other.  Sure party purity can be blamed, but I think its a symptom, not the cause.  Why is party purity more improtatn today than 1990?


[ Parent ]
SUSA consistently screws up 18-34
especially in Minnesota. I know I've been harpying on it. That being said, their toplines are generally good.  

[ Parent ]
I suspect for Clark to win, she need a ten-point win w/ Indies
She's down 15% here.

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She needs those goddam IP voters to get real......
In a situation like this where someone like Bachmann holds the seat, you'd think the IP voters would wise up and unite behind the opponent.  But instead they stay out there on the hopeless fringe.  Now 6% for that Anderson fellow.  What a waste.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
And Anderson is a very typical name for this area
which always helps a little.  Indy candidates always screw up races for us.  At least for the gubernatorial is going to happen the other way around!  Emmer isnot going to be able to count on the suburban vote Pawlenty got due to his tea-baggery, the Indy candidate being a moderate Republican, and MAK could clean up with women voters here more so than normal.

[ Parent ]
RGA
Next year, I assume the RGA elects a new chairman. I think that chairman's term would last until after the 2012 elections, correct? What if Barbour stays on as chairman? Would he just be replaced by whoever the new Vice chair is in 2012, after his term ends? Also, if he retires as chairman to pursue a 2012 pres bid, who replaces him? Most of the leadership of the RGA (Perdue, Pawlenty) are leaving office next year, and another (Crist) is no longer in the party. The only person that I know of currently in RGA leadership who is running for re-election is Perry. I guess he would become chairman?  

Assuming he is still governor by then


[ Parent ]
Well yeah
I think he will be. But, other than him, Republican's don't have too many Governors who have been there for a little while. After this cycle, we will have Barbour, Jindal, Daniels, Otter, Heineman, and Perry, that have been there since before the 2008 election.  

[ Parent ]
Potential Capito replacements
In case she runs for Senate, or gov in 2011. Found some interesting prospects. My fav is Delegate Troy Andes. He is only 29 years old, so he would have a future in WV. Also, nearly every Republican leader in the Legislature has a district that overlaps heavily with this district.  

Also
Del. Johnathon Miller. He is only 26 and would probably be the Club for Growth favorite if he ran, as he is a CfG member.  

[ Parent ]
Cedirc Richmond/Nikki Tinker
Does the fact that he donated $1,000 to Nikki Tinker in 2006 right after her infamous race ad came out affect anyone's opinion on him? I just found out where he got his campaign strategy from...

And Jefferson before 06 primary
Sorry for all the double post, I really need to learn to finish something before I post it. Anyway, he also donated 1k to Jefferson on August 25 2006, before the primary. IDK what affect that will have on him. I would think it could be used against him. I can see the ad now "Cedric Richmond...enabling Bill Jefferson's corruption"
I know I have been on Richmond's case a lot lately, so just to let ya'll no before the questions come up: No, I am not a member of Cao's campaign staff (or LaFonta's) and I am not a volunteer either, yet.  

[ Parent ]
2006 or 2008?
If I recall right Tinker's campaign in 2006 wasn't especially over-the-top.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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2006
She ran twice? I don't think this one is the issue though. I'm pretty sure 99% NOLA voters have no clue who she is. The only purpose it could serve would be to help LaFonta. The Jefferson donation, pre-primary in 2006, is what is worse. IDK if it will be a big deal though.  

[ Parent ]
Oh and
Ya'll can think LaFonta and Richmond for Congressman Bill Cassidy. Both donated 1k to Jackson. Hey, I like them more now!

[ Parent ]
You should back that up
with a link, if you've got one.

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Neither of those links seem to work (eom)


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Some new links
Not sure why you can't link to FEC contribution records.
Richmond- His are numbers 3-8, under Cedric Richmond.
LaFonta: http://www.opensecrets.org/ind... The first one is him.  

[ Parent ]
Uh, unemployed benefits causing increased unemployment benefits is standard microeconomics
It's possible that there may be macro effects that outweigh this (e.g an increase in aggregate demand from people spending their unemployment benefits) but presumably there are many alternative stimulus methods that could also produce this effect.

If unemployment benefits increase, unemployed people have more of an incentive to be selective with job offers (note that you can have too much patience) and not put as much effort into searching in the first place. This occurs even if everyone prefers a job to unemployment. Now, the size of this effect is what is upon to debate. It may well be that the size is quite small.


If the jobs don't exist
the theory is inapplicable.

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--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
If *no* jobs exist, maybe
But clearly some unemployed people will eventually find work, but they will generally do so at a slower rate if unemployment benefits are higher.

[ Parent ]
If there was sufficient need for jobs
because there was sufficient demand for goods and services, you think people wouldn't apply or be hired for the jobs because the number of weeks on unemployment was extended? Are you serious?

If you're talking about an increase in PAY for unemployment benefits, as others pointed out, that's another matter. In France, I recall that in the 1990s, unemployed people got the same pay as their last year of work, for an entire year, which would be cut off on taking another job. THAT is a clear disincentive to look for or accept a job. That's also not remotely close to the situation in the U.S.

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--  Will Rogers  


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Yes and no...
To say there are no jobs out there is a farce.  There are jobs out there, but the questions are whether they are in the quantity needed to provide a job to everyone whose lost them and whether they are qualified for such positions.

My knowledge of detailed labor market economics is limited, but from what I have read, it seems like a lot of the problems are caused by three factors:

1)  There has been a contraction in the total number of jobs.

2)  This contraction has impacted most sectors, but its impact is far larger in some compared to others.

3)  There are shortages in certain sectors that will not be remedied in the short term.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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I think that's about right Ryan
One other item, which we won't know for certain for decades but is a hypothesis which I truly believe, is that certain jobs are gone forever.

In instances where jobs leave and don't come back ever, sometimes employees and govts are slow to realize the fact and the re-training/adjustments needed are slow to come about.  I think we are seeing that now but I don't know that we'll know the full effect for at least 10 years.


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Anecdotally, there are fourth and fifth factors
(1) People who are very overqualified are taking menial positions like cashier at a supermarket because they were laid off and can't get anything better.
(2) That means that teenagers can't get even those kinds of menial, entry-level jobs.

I hear this is the case in northern New Jersey, lately.

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--  Will Rogers  


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Kind of Silly
to think people are turning down more money for less.

I'm not even sure what increasing unemployment means.  Does it mean increasing weekly benefit amounts or increasing # of weeks of benefits.  If its the former, then there might be a case, the latter, certainly not.

The unemployment formulas almost guarantee a decrease in wages from what an employee was making.  Workers rarely take less money rather than more.

What has happened, is that companies are adhering to simple supply and demand.  So while I believe some jobs may be unfilled that are open, my guess is the wages are MUCH lower now than they were.  As such, as the difference between current wages and current unemployment benefits comes together, yes people will sit and ride out unemployment.

Face it corporate profits are through the roof in many industries right now.  How?  Increased productivity as many workers will do anything to avoid losing their jobs.  Lower wage costs via salary freezes and even cuts.  Layoff of employees since companies that don't need to do layoffs do them to increase profits.  Benefit cuts via the postponement of 401K matches and increasing employee contributions for healthcare.

Not that its bad business or unethical for corporations to do this.  But to blame workers and the unemployment system while corporations feast on the economy's demise and high unemployment rates doesn't exactly make me think I need to take "industry's" version of the truth as gospel.


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People can easily turn down more money for less, if....
- People can turn down more money for less if the latter involves something unpleasant e.g. working. Unemployment gives more leisure time. That's not to say that lots of people will deliberately remain unemployed for as long as possible, but some will.  

- Even if someone really wants a job, that doesn't mean they'll take the first job opportunity they come across. With unemployment benefits, search costs are lower and thus the unemployed are more likely to take their time looking for the best job. This may sound good, but it isn't necessarily: if there was subsidy for searching for a new car, you'd likely get a better car all right, but you'd have spent more time searching than was optimal.


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I actually want to work
so even if I had received unemployment that was as much as my paycheck, I'd still look for work anyway because I like doing work that involves doing things I like (e.g. organizing things, data-entry, etc.). Unfortunately, around here those jobs are very tough to come by. If anyone told me to "get a job", I would very kindly ask that person to show me where those jobs that pay a decent living and allow me to use my best skills to the fullest are.

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A lot of people don't look at it that way
Most people would rather keep getting their unemployment then get a job when it runs out. I have a family member who was laid off from GM years ago. He went on unemployment.  Right when he started looking for a new job (right before it ended), they extended it. He stopped looking for a job. Many people prefer to not work and get paid than to work and get paid.  

[ Parent ]
It's true some people do that.
I wonder how many unemployed people are more like me and my fiancee and how many are more like your family member. This is just a guess, but I'd imagine a majority of unemployed people want to work so they have something to do.

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Not True
That is not at all true with most cases. I mean if you had kids could you put food on the table with 150 bucks a week. I do not know how they do it.  Also do you know how embarrassed many people are about getting something for nothing? I think that only a small percent of those receiving unemployment want to get it. I also do not buy the GOP's argument about it adding to the deficit while Bush's tax cuts add much more per month and provide much less bang for the buck if you will as people who benefit from the tax cuts will save the money while those who receive unemployment benefits are desperate and will spend there money soon after getting it actually stimulating the economy. I am surprised you oppose extending unemployment benefits, I know 43% of your party support it, I really do not get the argument against it, I really do not.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I think it depends
If they have a spouse with a job, I think they will wait until unemployment expires b/c there is another source of income. Especially if you have kids, not having to work is so nice. You can take care of the kids and not have to worry about work while you are unemployment. I'm not totally against extending unemployment benefits. I think an extension needs to be accompanied with a job creation bill that does not spend more than the unemployment extension.  

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