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UT & CA-SD15 Results Thread

by: James L.

Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM EDT


2:27 am: With 100% of precincts reporting in CA-SD15, Blakeslee has 49.71% of the vote. The AP hasn't signaled a runoff yet, with Blakeslee catching a runoff by about 750 votes.
2:14 am: That last set of precincts bailed us out here - Blakeslee's at 49.93%, but everything else has reported and the remaining Monterey precincts should keep him under 50.
1:56 am: Pick your poison - things are looking bad whichever source you choose. Laird ends up losing Santa Clara by 3%, 7% off the pace. Model is suggesting 50.1% or 50.3% for Blakeslee...
1:40 am: With a few more Santa Clara precincts trickling in, the SoS model projects Blakeslee finishing at 49.7% but the AP model sees him finishing at 50.3%. This'll be a nailbiter (as to whether or not we do the whole thing over again).
1:32 am: A few more precincts in, we're now at 44% by the AP. Blakeslee's at 49.47%, but the model has that improving to 50.03% by night's end. Laird's staying consistently 11% off the pace in SLO and Santa Barbara. All of these jurisdictions have pretty diverse precincts, but without significant shift, thing's still aren't looking good.
1:12 am: There's a slow trickle of precincts in from California, either 117/362 or 143/399, depending on whether you believe the SoS or the AP. Regardless, Laird's still 7.5% off the baseline, and we'll still be lucky to get a runoff here.
12:51 am: AP calls UT-Sen for Mike Lee, who is maintaining his 3% advantage.
12:49 am: In CA-SD-15, Laird's performance against the baseline is varying quite a bit. He's 11% off the pace in Santa Barbara and SLO, 6% off in Santa Clara, 4% off in Santa Cruz, and running even in Monterey. SSP Labs thinks we'll be fortunate to have a runoff here.
12:46 am: Surfing around the county websites and aggregating the total, we're at 83% reporting. Lee has a 4,500 vote (or 3%) edge on Bridgewater, with little shift from the status quo in Utah County or SLCo.
12:35 am: With Weber County (Ogden) all in, we're at 72% and only three major players are left: SLCo, Utah County (Provo/Orem), and Washington (St. George). SLCo is quite diverse, so it really depends where these precincts have come in. Bridgewater continues to do marginally better along the Wasatch Front, with 55% in Box Elder, 54% in Weber, 51% in Davis, 51% in SLCo; the exception is his 47% in Utah. For the first time tonight, though, the SSP Mainframe is telling us that the outstanding precincts will be more favorable to Bridgewater than Lee.
12:22 am: This is like watching paint dry, except there are interesting variations in how fast the paint dries in different places. We're close to 2/3rds in Utah, and it's crept up to Lee 52, Bridgewater 48. That's odd because Bridgewater has pulled into the lead in SLCo, now up 51-49, but Lee's going the other way in Utah County, now up 53-47. Only real hope for Bridgewater here is that SLCo is still half out (400 precincts remain, which is more than half of all outstanding precincts throughout the state), while Utah is 2/3rds in and the rest of the state is already basically done and gone to bed.
12:04 am: We've passed the 50% mark in Utah, and there's still no change: Lee 51, Bridgewater 49. The only development that seems worth noting is that Salt Lake County (which was 52 Lee, 48 Bridgewater) is now 50-50. Are late-reporting urban precincts more Bridgewater-favorable?
11:52 pm: The AP has called UT-02 for Matheson. The tally right now, with 234 of 850 reporting, is Matheson 68, Wright 32. Fairly convincing, but Aaron Blake points out that Matheson spent $800K to make sure of it.
11:45 pm: Past the one-third mark in Utah, and it's still Lee 51, Bridgewater 49. About a 1,400 margin between them.
11:37 pm: We're getting some Monterey and Santa Cruz numbers, and the trend's moving back in our direction: Blakeslee 49, Laird 41. I don't know if Laird can pull into the lead, but he can probably keep Blakeslee under 50 and force a do-over.
11:30 pm: Over 20% in in Utah, and it keeps narrowing: 51 Lee, 49 Bridgewater. It's 52 Lee, 48 Bridgewater in both Salt Lake and Utah Counties (the two biggest counties by far... both of the candidates are from Utah Co.), but Bridgewater seems to have an edge in the majority of the smaller counties.
11:25 pm: It didn't occur to me that SD-15 would be such a NoCal/SoCal rivalry, but that's what's happening. Blakeslee has pushed past 50 (to 52, with Laird at 37), but that's because a lot more reports have come in from San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara (Blakeslee's Assembly district). Laird's saving grace may be that none of Monterey's 110 precincts have reported.
11:23 pm: Up to 15% reporting in Utah, gap has narrowed to Lee 52, Bridgewater 48.
11:15 pm: We're seeing a little progress in counting in Utah; we're up to 5% in for Sen. and 7% in for UT-02. The needle hasn't really budged, though. It's still Lee 53, Bridgewater 47, and Matheson 68, Wright 32.
11:08 pm: Wow, things are happening fast in California; maybe they'll lap Utah. With nearly 10% reporting, it's 46% for Blakeslee (R), 44% for Laird (D). Remember that this somebody needs to break 50 to win, though, so if this keeps up we'll just be doing the exact same thing in mid-August.
10:52 pm: Is it time for a ganja fry sauce break? Still very few precincts in; Lee's keeping his 53-47 edge for UT-Sen and Matheson's now up more than 2-1 in UT-02.
10:27 pm: A smattering of early votes and precincts are reporting in Utah, with Mike Lee out to a 53-47 lead over Tim Bridgewater. Bridgewater is doing marginally better on the more heavily-populated Wasatch Front. In UT-02, Jim Matheson is sporting a 65-35 lead over Claudia Wright, including an identical advantage in the relatively-liberal part of the district, Salt Lake County.

Polls have now closed in Utah (we've got another hour to go in California). Let's bust a move.

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Early results good for Matheson
2-1 in Salt Lake, the only county that matters. If Wright wins any county, it will probably be Summit, or one of the sparsely-populated ones with 3 Democrats.

Never mind, Summit isn't in UT-02
silly me.

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Mike Lee up 53%-47% over Bridgewater
and Matheson is currently up 65%-35% over his primary opponent.

20, male, independent, WI-07.

Ok, so, um, are we just gunna...
um, sort of pretend its, um, sort of um, like, normal that 32 percent of the NC-8 GOP thought it would be a good idea to have a heroin addicted, domestic abusing, like, psychiatric patient -- and, you know, not like, a, you know, Eagleton psychiatric patient, like, hey, once I was, you know, in a mental institution but all better now, really, I'll let you know if things get rough for me patient, but an actively delusional candidate, who brings his hallucinations to work -- would be a great candidate. Not like attack ad crazy, like, well that position's a little nutty, but he backs down when answered and its all little hyperbolic, but someone 99 out of a 100 psychiatrists would not hesitate to diagnose from his press releases. Someone psychiatrists have already so designated. Perhaps in connection with legal proceedings.
Like, hey, well he's been standing on the corner for three years screaming about the end of the world and how his teeth are talking to him in a puddle of his own urine, but every once in a while he works in some stuff about abortion, so I guess he's the more "conservative" of the two extremely conservative choices.
What is it now? 32%? Really NC GOP? For Congress? Really? I would hope that most of the NC GOP would cross over and vote for a Democrat in those circumstances. Or even vote for the Socialist Workers Gay Sodomy Party, just to make sure someone who is very literally insane doesnt get on the intelligence committee, maybe. But no. 32% is it? 32% are all about it.

This
Socialist Workers Gay Sodomy Party

This needs to become a thing.

überliberal Democrat, male, OH-12 (college), NJ-09 ("home"), Mets, Jets


[ Parent ]
52.3%
O wait that was Texas 22

[ Parent ]
Its a fair comparison but...
I doubt that many of the voters in the NC-8 GOP primary hadn't heard about D'Anunzio.

You sound like one of the good ones. You'd vote for the SWGSP over Anunzio, right?  


[ Parent ]
I'd just not vote
I would vote for the FCGSP (Fiscal conservative gay sodamy party) over either if that was a third option though.

[ Parent ]
Tim Bridgewater
I was really hoping he would pull through, but from current returns it appears that is not t'be the case. Don't know anything about either of these two guys, so I'm just basing my preference on whoever's name sounds cooler.

Bridgewater sounds pretty cool. Almost in league with Armstrong, William Gladstone, and Michael Ironside. Ye know, one o them macho names that convey manliness.


It brings me memories of Huck Finn
When he's with the two con-artists, they name themselves the 'King of France' and the 'Duke of Bridgewater'. The King always calls the Duke 'Bilgewater', a witty, underhanded slight against him comparing to the grimy water inside a ship.

Now, if he pulls it out, we'll have a Bilgewater to kick around. That'd make me happy, especially if 'Bilgey' ends up saying stupid stuff :)

So yeah, for that reason, and because he seems to be the slightly more saner of the two, i'm rooting for Bridgewater.


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I am worried
About California. The area that is reporting is Santa Clara County and Laird was supposed to lead there since it voted pretty strongly for Obama. I do not think it was part of Laird's district though.

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17, CA-06,  


Why on earth
do 9 San Luis Obispo precincts have more votes than 40 Santa Clara precincts?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
You are right
Even in 2008, turnout in those precincts would not be as high. I am guessing that this is a combination of early votes and votes from those precincts.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Here is another link
For California results. The site updates more slowly than the AP though.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns...

About my earlier comment, I think there will be a runoff but Blakesee will receive more votes than Laird in this election.  

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17, CA-06,  


Shit
Blakelee has jumped to 57%

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

from the SOS website?
Only 9 precincts there..and the AP shows 56 precincts

16, Male, Democrat, CA-42/sometimes CA-32.

[ Parent ]
The California SOS Website
Did not show any results for the counties except from San Luis Obisbo. Although I like Bowen, I think the AP is a bit more accurate here.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
In California
Not looking too good for Laird

Total 76/399 6,043
7% 2,757
37%% 31,079 Laird
52% 43,029 Blakeslee

I still think there will be a runoff because alot of votes are from Santa Barbara and San Luis Obisbo Counties with nothing from Monterey County which Laird used to represent. Blakeslee though is overperforming in the district's southern parts that he represents. It could be because he is from there though.
 

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17, CA-06,  


Yeah
Only Santa Barbara (mainly the city of Santa Maria, where Maldo is from) and SLO (conservative county by Calif. standards) are reporting with a Pro-Blakeslee lean, none coming from Monterey (very liberal), hardly any from Santa Cruz (Laird turf). Seems like Santa Clara is the bellwether.

16, Male, Democrat, CA-42/sometimes CA-32.

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I Think You're Right
Also Santa Maria BARELY voted for Obama although it has many Hispanics. I used to live in Santa Barbara County and over the Santa Ynez Mountains (Santa Barbara city was on the other side,) it is a totally different world that is extremely conservative. The part of Elton Gallegy's district in Santa Barbara County voted 57% for McCain while Obama won the county with 60% of the vote.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Actually
Santa Maria is in Lois Capps' district:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

Yeah, i heard about some failed attempt to split the county into 2 somewhere.

 

16, Male, Democrat, CA-42/sometimes CA-32.


[ Parent ]
I heard about it too
 They kept trying and kept failing. I think they were going to call the new area Mission County. I wonder how the counties would look if it did pass. I guess Santa Barbara County would just be a thin line along the coast like Lois Capps's district.

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
California state senate 15
As a resident of this district (which was represented by now-Lt. Gov. Abel Maldonado, a Republican) I've been amazed at the level of saturation advertising, most of it involving charges and counter-charges on offshore drilling.  On the other hand, California state senate districts are huge; both the major candidates tonight will probably get more votes than Elaine Marshall received in the massively discussed NC Senate runoff.  Think about that.

I agree this race is going to a runoff; Laird will probably finish second, but will cut Blakeslee's margin when Monterey and Santa Cruz counties are all in.  


Each
California State Senator represents 846,791 people. Congress its like somewhere around the ballpark of 540,000 I think.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
No way, man
Maybe if we're talking about my home state, Rhode Island (I think we have the least-populated non-AL districts)...but for most states it's much higher. In CA's case it's around 640,000 people to a district (which will be closer to 700,000 after the census, and even higher if CA loses a district).

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Here check yourself
http://www.sen.ca.gov/

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I was talking about CDs


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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about 705-710,000 per district
 
iirc.  Population goes up about 10% every 10 years.

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Monterey County is Coming
Blakeslee's lead is beginning to drop already.

Total 101/399 7,068
7% 3,491
41% 42,455 Laird
49% 51,221 Blakeslee

Monterey 25/110 1,025
5% 734
54% 11,376 Laird
37% 7,868 Blakeslee

 

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17, CA-06,  


Santa Clara
is tightening 46-44 for Blakeslee now

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Err
hasn't it been 46-44 Blakeslee all along?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Yikes.....
Things are not looking so hot in Cali. At least he is currently under 50, any way Laird can make it back up still? Like has his home turf not been counted yet or something, I have paid absolutely NO attention to this race so am very unfamiliar. I hope Bridgewater pulls it out, Lee actually frightens me a bit. I think he makes Rand Paul look tame.  Bridgewater will be a rubber stamp for the GOP but all the same better than an extremist. Also Erikson will be pissed.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

From the looks of it
In California, there will be a runoff but Blakeslee will receive more votes than Laird this time.

Although the precinct reporting data does not say it, I believe that most of the precincts in San Luis Obisbo County have been counted because 9 precicnts probably do not even have 37,000 people, let alone 37,000 votes. In Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties, it looks like alot of the early votes have not been counted yet. The San Luis Obisbo totals are probably from early votes.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Utah Sen
Unless Salt Lake goes strong for Bridgewater from here on out, I think Lee will win.   So far Bridgewater has gained about 250 votes through 135 precints with same day voters, but he will have to do better than that from here on out.

I Did Some Number Crunching
Obama won the 15th district's portion of Monterey County by 35 points. He won the total district by 20 points. Laird is leading by 17 points in Monterey County, 18 points from Obama's margin.  The problem is that Blakeslee is leading by 25 points in San Luis Obisbo county, causing a 32 loss from Obama percentage.

Looking at these numbers, I am guessing a five point Blakeslee lead in this special election. That will be enough for a runoff.

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17, CA-06,  


I do not know why
There was a strikethrough. Ignore it.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
What went wrong here?
is the independent likely to bleed votes to Laird?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
I do not know
But probably. The independents are doing well in San Luis Obisbo County so maybe that is why Laird is not doing too well there.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Nothing is "wrong"
It's been represented by a Republican, and while a fine candidate, Laird is a gay man from socialist Santa Cruz (which has only 37 precincts total and they are the most conservative ones in Santa Cruz), and that combo doesn't play well in the San Luis meat of the district.

Of course, this is all the result of the dummymander the Democrats did.  This district was designed to be Republican.  It would be extremely easy to make this much more Democratic by adding parts of Santa Cruz city or Salinas.

A Dem candidate from San Luis or Monterey would be a better match for the district, but this one can be laid directly in the lap of the California Democratic establishment for dummymandering this district.


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Wait, wait, wait!!!!!
We nominated a gay guy for a marginally democratic seat?

face palm

This is going very similar to the Dallas mayoral election of 2007 where the dem was a gay guy in a Democratic city and the GOPer was a moderate, business friendly guy. Heck, in CO-2, check Jared Pollis' numbers form '08, they weren't convincing.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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Boom! Matheson wins
Suck it John Amato and Blue America!

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

Is that who was supporting Wright? Why???......
I agree that any netroots or other groups supporting a primary against Matheson are stupid, stupid, stupid.

It's been eye-opening how many on the left are essentially a disorganized left-wing Club for Growth.  That's fine in a state or district that's winnable with a liberal nominee, but a challenge in Utah just shows breathtaking electoral stupidity.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
There was a Daily Kos diary
for Wright and against Matheson that was on the recommended list at some point. My comment that it was foolish to support her did get a bunch of tips, though.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Matheson
Is he at all vulnerable now? Or is this seat very safe for Dems?  

GOP recruitment fail
I'd say safer than the slightly more republican MS-4.

So, yeah, safe.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


[ Parent ]
So he would have been vulnerable
To a stronger challenger? I would think Philpot would be strong as a former state rep and state GOP official, but that doesn't seem to have helped his fundraising.  

[ Parent ]
When
you are a Democrat in a deep red district like his you always have to be careful. If you guys would have gotten a better candidate he very well could be vulnerable in my view. Yet you nominated "some dude" with no cash and no prospect of winning. Unless of course Wright would have won tonight, then you would have been likely to.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I do not think so
Matheson is quite popular and has fought off several tough challenges in the past. In fact, the district was designed to make it impossible for him to win, but he has still won by large margins. And I think this primary challenge will only help him with the general electorate, as it just confirms his conservative status.

[ Parent ]
Looks like they have not posted any new results for a bit
I guess everybody gave their first bunch of votes. These vote bunches usually come in threes or fours in each county. I'm leaving the blog for tonight. I hope when I read Laird's website tomorrow, it will say something about winning or a runoff.

My last note on this race: not all early county returns are early signs of the final result, even if the returns are pretty similar. On June 8th, we learned that with Prop 16 and 17 when we thought they would win and early returns from key counties showed that. The key counties though shifted in our favor.  

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17, CA-06,  


CA-SoS Site Has Many More Votes In....
I am assuming they have gotten the absentees from the counties, because they have a lot more votes tallied, even though the AP has more precincts reporting.

Percentages are still the same though: 49-41 Blakeslee. I am not liking the numbers here at ALL.

"You share your young with the wolves of the nation, there's nothing left til you pray for salvation."

--Black Rebel Motorcycle Club

"American X"


Check That...This Is Strange....
The SoS totals are exactly DOUBLE what the AP totals are...apparently a screw up by the SoS website.

"You share your young with the wolves of the nation, there's nothing left til you pray for salvation."

--Black Rebel Motorcycle Club

"American X"


[ Parent ]
CA SoS double counted....
the precincts are also weird on the SoS page. Kind of disappointing how poorly made the system is.  

[ Parent ]
If the counties continue to split as they have

and the precincts have about the same population on average as those already counted, the end result predicts to 41.5% Laird, 48.5% Blakeslee.  But a heck of a lot of voters: almost 335,000.

[ Parent ]
Yeah
CA state senate districts are bigger than US House districts.  

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Im sad
Just figured out that Utah's filing deadline for independent candidates is same day as for major parties so no Claudia Wright independent bid :(  

Sorry GOPVOTER
If it helps I doubt whether she would do much damage to Matheson. I mean even if she got say ten percent of the vote (I doubt she would even get above five though) Matheson would be fine as long as he kept it above fifty. You guys do not really have a serious candidate there so I would think Matheson would still make it, although it would make things slightly more competitive I suppose. Although if people see how far to the left Wright is it may make Matheson look more moderate and acceptable to them.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Its OK
Other than this, I had a GREAT night! All of my candidates won. Haley, Scott, Duncan, Lee, Johnson, and Gowdy.

[ Parent ]
Why...
Lee instead of Bridgewater?

[ Parent ]
Gowdy? Really?
I thought you liked sane conservatives, I would have assumed you were an Inglis fan.

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[ Parent ]
I do
2 reasons.
1. This is a district where we can get anyone in. I will take the most conservative person.
2. I don't consider Inglis that conservative. He voted for TARP and against the troop surge.
As far as Lee over Bridgewater- Again, Lee was the more conservative candidate. He is a constitutional lawyer. I still believe Bridgewater was a plant to keep Eagar or Lee from winning. I also don't like it when someone buys an endorsement like he did Eagar's/  

[ Parent ]
Makes
sense but if people can do it here then couldn't it encourage them to do it in Democrat leaning districts with Republicans reps? I personally think your playing with fire but live and let live I suppose. As for Lee, I thought you did not like Jim DeMint, Lee seems to be on the same level.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I dont
He gets on my nerves in some races, but he is right in some, like here, FL. I'm also glad that he is helping people in general elections too, like Toomey and Angle. Not sure what you mean by the first 2 sentences?  

[ Parent ]
Oh never mind
I think i get it now. Like, now I could be telling ya'll to go for more liberal choices in Republican held districts that lean Dem. Am i right??  

[ Parent ]
I
was trying to say that if it becomes a normal occurrence for you guys to knock off Republicans like Ingles in primaries then you might see moderate Republicans that represent liberal areas getting knocked out in the primary as well and see Democrats getting the seats. The reference "playing with fire" meant that it might not be a big deal in places like South Carolina or Utah but what if it becomes common then you may see Tea Partiers trying it in liberal Republican held areas. Like what happens if some Tea Party folks run against Snowe? The national Republicans can try and stop it, but what if that guy becomes the nominee, then you have a Democratic Senator. It is not just a problem in your party either.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
It depends whether it's pragmatic or not
I'm like GOPVOTER in reverse. I think we should choose the most liberal politician who has a good chance of winning in each state or district. That means, don't primary (or seriously primary) Matheson from the left but do primary Lipinski from the left.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
IDK
If we always do that then no one will have an independence streak on either side, they will just do whatever the party tells them. While that may sound appealing it really leads to less if any bipartisanship and more division among an already divided chamber. I did not always hold this view, but I have really been looking at how broken Washington is, and this looks to be one of the things wrong with it. I just do not know if it is healthy. I suppose someone in a D plus a million or R plus a million district should be occasionally primaried just so voters have a real say in things but I do not know if someone deserves to lose re nomination over working with the other side. Now Lipinski should be primaried because of his sliminess and if there is someone out there with a Bobby Bright voting record in a D+5 district then we will talk. However someone that just has an occasional independence streak, who just wants to get things done should not be thrown out. I do not know, I am very far to the left myself but I am actually starting to see the benefit of having center left, center right parties. I just want things to be like they were in the old days. I want bills to pass with bipartisan support, I want Republicans like Chafee and Specter. I want someone from a conservative or liberal state to be able to work with someone of a different party without the threat of a primary challenge. Look at Iowa, Grassley had the audacity of working with us and Steve King threatens a primary, and presto "Obama wants to pull the plug on granny". There are countless more examples on both sides of the isle. I do not think the current Washington will get much better but still I do not want to do more to wreck it even more. I am probably just being unrealistic and overly optimistic in hoping that the dysfunction of Washington will lesson. I know it is not likely but I am still hoping and will not stop.  



Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


[ Parent ]
It's because the Republicans are so extremist and uncooperative
that Democrats who support the Republican side or constantly weaken legislation are a problem.

But understand, I'm not talking about people with occasional independent streaks. I'm talking about people in pretty highly Democratic districts who vote against major planks of crucial legislation pushed by the Leadership or create trouble by supporting divisive amendments like the Stupak Amendment. Of course, if they vote for or against only one thing, and for principled reasons, you let that go. It's a balance, but as a voter, I would almost always vote for the furthest left competent candidate who has a good chance to win.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
AP Calls it for Lee!!
Capping off a great night for me!  

Tough day for Dan Jones
Off the mark by quite a margin.  I don't think the all the undecideds broke towards Lee argument is going to fly.

Bennett's endorsement
Could it have hurt Bridgewater with the Republican primary electorate?

24, SSP Gay Caucus Policy Committee Chair, Western Democrat; CO-05 (home), CA-14 (law school)

In the runoff, Laird is going to have to win over Democrats
Blakeslee is currently getting a huge amount of crossover Democrats which can be seen in his carrying Santa Clara county, whose portion within the district gave Obama 63% of the vote.  

Laird underperforms badly
And not only in So. Cal. Is he simply too liberal for this relatively marginal district?

This should have been a runaway for Laird
A district that gave Obama 59% and gave Kerry 52% should have been a fairly safe Dem pickup, especially against someone as conservative as Blakeslee.  Apparently Democratic voters are still asleep.  

[ Parent ]
I have nagging feeling
that they will be asleep up to (and including) Nov. 2...

[ Parent ]
Yep, probably
They have been asleep since November 4th 2008.  

[ Parent ]
In such case - they deserve to lose in November
May be that will finally wake them up....

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Not really, his performance is in line with normalcy
Comparing his performance to Obama is ludicrous.  California is full of voters who want to vote for moderate Republicans, but they don't get a chance, so they vote for Democrats.

Here we have a very far left Democrat running against a mainstream Republican in a historically Republican district.

A parallel would be to think of it as a very liberal Democrat from Brooklyn running in the Staten island-based house district.  The Dem can win, but the odds are against it if the Republican is not a douche or too far right.


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But even John Kerry won the district
, who was about as charasmatic as a two by four and did so by a fairly comfortable 53%-46% margin.  

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Exactly, national dems will win here
George Bush, John McCain, Bob Dole... mainstream national Republicans will lose this district, but moderate Republicans will win.  That is how the district is designed.

There is no national Republican who can win here, but Arnold and Maldonado and Pete Wilson and Tom Campbell can.


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Seems that Laird will survive
today (only some Monterey precincts remain), but runoff prognosis looks ugly for him...

Yes, I think you're right on both counts.
What can the Dems do to shake up the situation?

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Have Obama get more partisan
Have him out there like Harry Truman railing against Republicans.  That would be a start.  

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Obama lost a lot of his former popularity nationwide
I doubt that he will be big asset even here.

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Obama's approvals in California have held steady......
Even Rasmussen often shows Obama's job approval in the 60s in California.  I think PPP showed him at 49 once, still right-side-up with high undecideds which I think is strange as Presidential job approvals have few undecideds in most polls regardless of methodology.  But most pollsters have Obama in the mid-50s to low-60s, which is very good.  Remember that while Obama won the state 62-37, Kerry won only 55-44.  So Obama's job approvals are on par here.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Caution PPP job approval
They don't tend to push people to take a stand which is why they were well off in both VA and NJ with regard to Obama.

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Remind me what did PPP say on Obama job approval in VA and NJ last year???......
I recall most pollsters, even Rasmussen, routinely pegged Obama's job approval in Virginia last year around 50.  Deeds, for his part, underperformed Obama's job approval in the state by 8-10 points.

But I don't recall what PPP said.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Their final poll in both states
Had his job approval far below the exit poll on election day.

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Steady last months?
I will agree. But even in California his approval are considerably lower then during peak time in December 2008 - January 2009. So, as a maximum, he will be some asset, but not especially big one...  

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That "peak time" is not a valid benchmark......
Every President gets a honeymoon, and between the election and swearing in is the height of the honeymoon since he's not even President yet!

Even the first few weeks or months in office aren't a valid benchmark.

A couple alternative valid benchmarks can be maybe 6 months out when he's done some things and some people are starting to get pissed off, or the election results themselves.  Another one is state PVI, which for California is D+8 since Kerry's CA performance was 7 points higher than nationally, and Obama's 9 points higher than nationally.  You can then presume Obama gets reelected with 50% of the national popular vote and call a 58% CA job approval his benchmark.

All of those are valid.

Or, you can just look at job approvals by themselves and see that he's in the mid-50s to low-60s, and realize he's plenty popular.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I don't see the relevance of where he was
It is where he is on the days leading up to election day that count. Fact is he will be able to help where he has positive numbers, CA and IL, but will be a drag where he has negative numbers, MO and KY.

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Yes, but i wouldn't expect
too much help from his single appearance. After all - "all politics is local", and that remains mostly true. A President's appearance may help in candidate's fundraising, but is unlikely to drive his electoral percentege 5-10% higher.

But i agree - Obama may be of at least some help in California or Illinois or Washington, while being rather huge liability in Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisians and even - Indiana, North Carolina and Florida which he barekly won in 2008


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Speaking of Missouri, interesting observation on Rasmussen's Obama job approvals......
One thing I've noticed is that while Rasmussen's national job approval for Obama is way worse than everyone else's, and way down from his election performance, Rasmussen's state job approvals for Obama are not nearly as bad.  They're not great, but Rasmussen's state numbers often show Obama performing much closer to his election performance.  Rasmussen has had Obama in the mid/high-40s in Missouri, a state he actually lost with 48-49%.  Rasmussen has had Obama often in the mid/high-40s in Florida, down only slightly from his 51% in the election.  And I mentioned previously they've recurringly had Obama in the 60s in California this year.

The same trend is true even where Obama is unpopular.  When Rasmussen polls Arkansas or Kentucky or Alabama, Obama's job approval is in the same ballpark as his 2008 vote share in those states.

It's a real interesting disconnect in Rasmussen's numbers.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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There was a CA poll recently
That said people wanted somebody in the senate that would support rather than hinder the president. That being said I do think Obama will be restricted in where he can help. California is certainly one. Illinois is the other obvious place. Washington is another. Wisconsin maybe. Certainly Delaware. He will be needed primarily to help with base turnout in NV and CO and in PA and OH where there aren't too many independents. I certainly wouldn't be sending him to Missouri, Kentucky, Arkansas or Louisiana. Not sure about North Carolina. Ellsworth could maybe do with a big event in Gary. The bottom line is Democrats need to excite the lethargic base. They are just gonna have to take the risk of energizing the other side and hope they were always likely to vote anyway.  

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I don't think Obama's involvement helps Republicans in blue or purple states......
I do think Republicans are as energized as they're gonna get.  Anyone who dislikes Obama is voting already.

Obama's involvement only helps get Democrats more excited in blue and purple states.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Then again
Last year Obama didn't seem to help in blue NJ or purple VA (although I suppose it could be argued that would have been even worse if not for him).

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There was no helping Deeds
I think there is clear evidence he helped Corzine with GOTV. Even in MA Coakley won late deciders.

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I'm in Virginia, and correct there was NO help for Deeds beyond 2 rallies......
I think maybe Biden did a fundraiser or two for Deeds, but that and the two rallies were it.

OFA was not involved.

Deeds ran such a terrible campaign, it was a smart move for Obama to stay away.  His late rally was really an obligatory formality rather than strategic or tactical.  (The first rally was to actually help Deeds win, when he still had a chance.)

And I don't know if OFA was involved in New Jersey.

OFA did get involved in MA-Sen special, but only a week or two out, too late to be as effective as needed.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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He's gonna have to figure out what he did wrong
He should have been the overwhelming favorite for this.  He should not be winning the part within his own Assembly district by just 51%-41% and letting Blakeslee win his 59%-32%, which was an Assembly district that Obama won 50%-48%.  

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Wrong wrong wrong
See comments elsewhere.  Obama will win Staten island and Brooklyn, but a candidate like the old Vito could easily win the district.

This was drawn to be a Republican district.

That needs to be very clear.  This is a gerrymander district to favor a Republican.  Look at the map... uber-leftist Santa Cruz city and heavily Latino Salinas are completely avoided here.  The most republican parts of Santa Cruz and Monterey (and santa Barbara) are included.

The fact that a gay socialist can get this close in a special election is kind of remarkable.  Laird is a terrif guy, but he is more suited to be running to represent the Santa Cruz city district, not this one.  


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One question:
I thought Blakeslee was a conservative. At least - substantialy more conservative then moderate Maldonado. I agree that moderate Republicans of Maldonado-Campbell type can (may be - even must) win in district like this, but Blakeslee? May be i am wrong, though...

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Blakeslee has the exact job Abel did when he won
and while he may be more conservative, he is against offshore drilling and certainly is no wingnut.  Put another way, Blakeslee is way more "moderate" than Laird.  Not a perfect comparison, but think of Laird as Bernie Sanders.

And remember, this is a special with zero other races, which never favors us turnout-wise.  We would have had a much better chance in November.


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Thanks!
And - yes, but if i am correct - the runoff is somewhere in August..

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August 22, according to a guy on Dailykos who lives there.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Right, we should lose in August
We probably only win this district after the dummymander is undone.

http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/...

Upper left corner of the district add in even just the area along the coast south of Santa Cruz city or some of the area northeast of Monterey city, and this becomes a clear pickup.  Unfortunately it is easy to see on the map how the dummymander deliberately avoided these heavily Democratic areas.

I hate to see comments disappointed about this race because Laird is a great progreassive guy, but this district is an uphill battle, even if it soundly rejects the national Republican agenda.


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Obama didn't win Staten Island or NY-13
Upstate New York or Long Island would be better parallels.

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Blakeslee at 50%
But not 50%+1 :(

CA-SD-15 done
Blakeslee ends up with 49.713%.  

WTF?
Does the district have 399 or 362 precincts?  

399 precincts. And have a good night.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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