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SSP Daily Digest: 6/17 (Morning Edition)

by: DavidNYC

Thu Jun 17, 2010 at 8:05 AM EDT


  • CT-Sen: Despite having no shortage of cash, the Journal-Inquirer of north-central Connecticut says Paulist freakazoid Peter Schiff might be having trouble petitioning his way on to the ballot. What an ignominious end! Anyhow, we'll know for sure by the end of this week. (Also, see our CT-04 bullet for another Nutmeg state petitioning debacle, only worse.) Meanwhile, Aaron Blake lays out some possible circumstances under which Rob Simmons' zombie campaign might come back to life (though ultimately he thinks reanimation of this particular corpse is unlikely).

  • WI-Sen: I like what Russ Feingold is doing here: He's putting his opponent, richie rich Ron Johnson, on the defensive by linking Johnson to Sharron Angle and Rand Paul, and charging that he hasn't said whether he supports Social Security, Medicare, and the Civil Rights Act. Interestingly (at least according to Politico), Johnson's spokesbot shot back with some pablum - and didn't bother to say whether he does support any of these three pillars of modern society.

  • ME-Gov: An op-ed by George Smith in the Kennebec Journal suggests that environmental lawyer Eliot Cutler, running as an independent, could win Maine's gubernatorial race. Cutler apparently has personal wealth, and Smith suggests he could split the GOP vote, earning the support of some of its more moderate members while the teabaggers stick with the very conservative Paul LePage. (And remember, Maine's last governor before Dem John Baldacci was also an independent, Angus King.)

  • SC-Gov: So Politico has a piece claiming that the South Carolina GOP establishment, including the SC Chamber of Commerce, is going all-out to try to stop Nikki Haley from winning the run-off. But CNN notes that former First Lady Jenny Sanford is stumping for Haley, and of course third-place finisher and state AG Henry McMaster endorsed her as well.

  • AR-01: Dem Chad Causey is "in talks" about an endorsement with Tim Wooldridge, whom Causey beat 51-49 in the runoff.

  • AZ-08: Remember Randy Graf? If you don't, all you need to know is that he craaazy. He also ran for this seat in 2006 and, after the NRCC abandoned him, got beat badly by now-Rep. Gabby Giffords. Anyhow, he endorsed veteran Jesse Kelly in the GOP primary, who was once touted but then got outshined by the later entrance of state Sen. Jonathan Paton.

  • CO-04: Man, I bet Cory Gardner really wishes Rep. Steve King would shut up. The other day, Gardner cancelled a fundraiser in Colorado with King after King declared that President Obama "favors the black person." Now King is lambasting Gardner for spurning him - and claiming that Gardner agrees with what he said! Gardner of course disputes King's claims. I don't know if you can properly call this cat fud, but it sure smells like it.

  • CT-04: This sack is so very, very sad. Republican Tom Herrmann flushed his campaign down the toilet today like your kid's dead goldfish, only there won't be any trips to the pet store to buy a replacement. Turns out Herrmann's campaign engaged in a little bit o' ye olde petition fraud (something we mentioned the other day), meaning he won't have enough valid signatures to qualify for the ballot. I admit that I was initially skeptical of this story, but it turned out that where there was smoke, there was indeed fire.

  • DE-AL: Republican Kevin Wade dropped out of the race, leaving Michele Rollins and Glen Urquhart to compete in the September primary. Wade endorsed neither, but touted Some Dude Rose Izzo.

  • LA-02: In a story about state Rep. Cedric Richmond formally kicking off his campaign, there's a throwaway line suggesting that state Sen. Karen Carter Peterson is still considering a run. Carter Peterson (then known only as Karen Carter) lost badly to ex-Rep. Bill Jefferson in a 2006 run-off. She also infamously supported Republican Jim Tucker to be Speaker of the Louisiana House in 2007, over (of all people) Dem Don Cazayoux.

  • NC-08 (PDF): Damn, I hope PPP is wrong about this. They have Harold Johnson leading beautiful maniac Tim D'Annunzio 49-39 in the runoff (which takes place next week). Surely the Ark of the Covenant can help turn the tide for Timmy D, no?

  • ND-AL: Earl Pomeroy's team did some nice work in getting a bullshit third-party ad yanked off the air. The spot accused Pomeroy of supporting healthcare taxes which led to lost jobs. The only problem(s): No new healthcare taxes have gone into effect yet, and the jobs in question related to reform of the student loan system, not healthcare. Yeah, whoops is right.

  • NY-13: Does the name Kieran Lalor ring a bell? He ran against Rep. John Hall in NY-19 in 2008 and got pasted. He's resurfaced of late, but this time, he's attacking a fellow Republican, Michael Allegretti. Lalor claims to represent a group of Iraq veterans, and he's miffed that Allegretti has pictures of himself with members of the military on his website. Lalor's hands are not exactly clean here, as his group's own website has a picture of Allegretti's opponent, Michael Grimm - whom Lalor says his organization will likely endorse.

  • NY-14: SEIU 32BJ, an important, 70,000-strong building workers union, endorsed Rep. Carolyn Maloney, citing her work in securing $4 billion in federal money for major east side transit projects.

  • PA-07: What a huge - and unforced - blunder. GOPer Pat Meehan tried to accuse Bryan Lentz of having been involved in the big "bonusgate" scandal (where Dem campaign workers were paid with state money). First problem: He had no such evidence, and the press (to their credit) had no trouble realizing this. Second mistake: He held his press conference in the state capitol - where the state legislature (of which Lentz is a member) is still in session. This meant that Lentz got to watch Meehan's presser in person - and then when Meehan was done and the cameras were still rolling, Lentz strode up to the same podium and delivered a biting rebuttal to Meehan's bullshit. Lentz's impressive political skillz are matched only by Meehan's lack thereof.

  • VA-05: Is there a word in English which expresses the idea that a debacle for one side is actually a boon for the other? No, it's not schadenfreude, and it's not crisitunity, either. But in any case, this is what seems to be brewing in VA-05, where the second-place finisher in the GO primary, Jim McKelvey, finally announced that he ain't endorsing no one - at least, not yet. We can only hope he'll give his backing to independent teabagger Jeffrey Clark rather than state Sen. Robert Hurt.

  • NRCC: The NRCC is setting a $20 million goal for its "Battleground" fundraising effort from members of its caucus. In 2008, their goal was $12 million, though it's not clear whether they actually met it. In 2006, they started at $17.5 mil but later bumped it up to $22.5 mil.
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    Louisiana officially going back to jungle primary/runoff for Congressional races, starting in 2012
    http://www.klfy.com/Global/sto...

    Well, it was fun while it lasted.


    Of course
    We have to go back to being the odd balls. And how the hell is a separate party primary "Confusing"?

    [ Parent ]
    PA-07
    Gang, that's a link worth clicking on -- the video is priceless, esp. when Lentz shows up half-way through and tells the press they should ask Meehan for gas money for the needless drive from Phila to Harrisburg.

    Boy between
    the gaffe on collecting signatures, making it so that he almost didn't make the ballot, and now lying out his ass about his opponent being involved in a scandal when he clearly wasn't, it seems like Patrick Meehan isn't quite the top-tier candidate the GOP thought he was.  

    As a pure toss-up, this was shaping up to be one of the top tier races in the country this November.  We'll see if there is a fallout from this, but for now, I'm feeling better than ever that Lentz is going to pull this one out.  Joe Sestak running for Senate up-ballot is the x-factor in Lentz's favor.

    23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


    [ Parent ]
    Given what's being said below...
    I don't think Meehan is hurt by any of this. And Lentz ballot challeng failed. I'm still buying that Meehan is a top tier candidate. I wouldn't change it on your predictions Stephen CLE. (at least not yet).  

    [ Parent ]
    PA-07
    This might be a great example of how we all think it is a story and nobody in the district will care a rats ass.  The article in the Delaware County Times, which is the daily newspaper for most of the district, is not as charitable towards Lentz on this one.  Basically you have to read the entire article to even come close to the impression the pa2010.com article gives.  The coverage on the tv news media and Philadelphia papers can be best described as non-existent.  If you saw their tiny amount of coverage, you hear the Meehan accusation then little to nothing about the Lentz rebuttal.

    Meehan picked a great day for the attack though.  There is also articles in the papers with convicted Bonusgate defendants asking the judge for lower sentences.  Take this in conjunction with the local media's take on the stunt, Meehan does not look that bad in the eyes of average voter whose not reading the political junkie sites.

    As I always say, what happens and what the media reports are two very different things.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    Have To Admit
    This paragraph struck me as strange

    "Though never reported, Collis' work for Lentz and her receipt of a bonus was publicly available knowledge, information pa2010.com gathered hours before the press conference. Her name appears as a contact-person on 2006 campaign literature and on a list of staffers who received bonuses that was published by The Post-Gazette. She continues to handle press for Lentz and other lawmakers as a staffer in the caucus' communications office."

    Because it strikes me as odd that info "never reported" is deemed not new. Bush's DUI was not news? And it strains credulity that they just so happened to look for this information "hours before the news conference" independently.

    Is pa2010.com a partisan news source? I have no problem with advocate journalism, but I do have a problem that pa2010.com doesn't make it clear, if it is.


    [ Parent ]
    PA2010 is down the middle
    And the Philadelphia Inquirer, among others, concurs with the not-a-story:
    Lentz, 46, said his campaign had not paid Collis in 2006. He said he had assumed she was a volunteer or someone paid through the House Democratic Campaign Committee.

    Lentz said he had no idea she received a taxpayer-funded bonus until the matter hit newspapers in 2007. As for the other alleged Bonusgate ties, he said he had not heard of the people mentioned by the Meehan campaign and did not know whether they had received bonuses or done campaign work on state time.

    "I was sworn in in 2007. I learned about Bonusgate the same way most people did: through the newspapers," Lentz said. "I had nothing to do with Bonusgate, no knowledge of Bonusgate. . . . If I had been aware that anyone was being paid with taxpayer dollars or would later receive a bonus, I would've put a stop to that."



    [ Parent ]
    Doesn't That Undermine pa2010.com
    The question is whether it's news that Collins worked for Lentz (unpaid or paid is somewhat irrelevant because the whole point is she was getting paid through the bonuses). Inquirer says that's news. Pa2010.com says it's not.

    I don't know whether it's an actual "story" in the sense of it being an actual scandal for Lentz. (In fact, I think it's not), but the pa2010.com story still smells.


    [ Parent ]
    Lentz
    I doubt Lentz was involved, but seeing the general nasty behavior being engaged in by the House Democratic Caucus in 2006 that has already been partially aired in court, it would not shock me if staffers worked illegally on his campaign without his knowledge.  Having worked on campaigns before, I know candidates often do not know where their volunteers are coming from.  This might have been a situation where Lentz was happy to get the help, but did not know where it came from.

    Whether Lentz knew or not is going to be irrelevant to many voters.  Bonusgate still has people whipped up as it should.  Lentz and any other candidate whose received help for that matter from the illegal antics of the House Democratic Caucus are potentially vulerable to attack on the issue.

    I admit my bias towards Meehan, but it is sad to see Lentz, one of the few candidates who ran on good government in 2006 and actually practiced it once elected, get tied to this.  

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    I don't think Bonusgate ever caught on ...
    ... in SE PA.  Everywhere else in the state, sure.

    [ Parent ]
    Bonusgate
    Very correct.  The Republicans have not had the ability to play the issue in SEPA simply because the caucus leadership to this day is largely devoid of progressives from the suburbs.  This is clearly a try to play the issue though.  This is why Meehan's aborted press conference and Lentz's denials mean little in the grand scheme of things unless the hints of corruption stay around.  

    What is probably more disturbing for the Democrats at the moment is that more indictments are probably coming down the pike tied to casino gambling.  Essentially the progressive Democrats from SEPA need to start throwing the Democratic leadership under the bus to save any good government good will they have left.  Seeing the reception the progressives have received in Harrisburg, the caucus leadership deserves it.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    You never disappoint
    No matter what, nothing good will come from the Lentz campaign in your eyes.

    [ Parent ]
    Dale Peterson - New ad
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    This one is even better.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    The original
    is better! That's right! I don't give a riiiip about Alabama!

    19, Male, Independent, CA-12

    [ Parent ]
    Firing guns
    I love the guy stealing the yard sign and him firing the gun.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    wow
    so he is such a celebrity now that other candidates want his endorsement.  That was great.

    Libertarian secular Republican, MO-7

    [ Parent ]
    God Bless Dale Peterson
    Obviously, this should move tons of votes to John MAC-Millin'.

    Oh Alabama, don't ever change...

    Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


    [ Parent ]
    Iowa Republicans
    are desperately trying to avoid commenting on what King said this week. I love how Brad Zaun, GOP candidate against Leonard Boswell in IA-03, found three different ways to say he didn't know what King had said, as opposed to just asking someone what King said and then commenting on that.

    speaking of Iowa
    Republicans have corrected one of their larger recruitment failures from earlier this year and now have a candidate in Iowa House district 16. The incumbent is a first-term Democrat in a district that was long represented by a Republican. I think we will hold the seat, though. Republicans need a net gain of seven seats to take back the lower chamber of the Ioaw legislature.

    The most important midterm news today in my mind is not in the digest......
    New unemployment compensation claims rose by 12K to 472K for the last week.

    As a reminder from my past primers, we need to get iniital claims down to 400K as a benchmark for believing the recession is "over" in people's everyday lives.  We were inching down for many months, got down close to 440K, then a big spike a few weeks ago followed by this latest smaller spike.

    Jobs or the lack thereof is going to be our biggest downfall, drowning out most other stuff, if this doesn't turn around.

    The flipside is that if we hold on to the House, even by only the skin of our teeth and with exactly 218 seats, we can credit the "save" to repeated Republican bungling like, in their latest, right-wing House members' attacking the creation of the BP escrow fund.

    In sum, we may have lost a few more voters today for lack of jobs, but we gained some portion of those few voters right back thanks to Republicans making themselves an unappealing alternative.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    Actually Less Worried
    I think a bad economy is "priced into" the 2010 election. Sure, an unbelievable recovery would have helped and a total double dip would be bad. But I think within the general range, people's views on the economy are set.

    My own pet theory is if the slow down does have negative effects, it won't be in states/districts that were in really bad shape, but rather states/districts that thought they were in the clear.


    [ Parent ]
    tallsy, yours is a very smart hypothesis that I haven't seen anywhere else......
    I figured voters would turn increasingly against us if recovery and job growth didn't pick up.

    But your notion is a valid one at first blush.

    That said, in House races there are always a ton of undecided and slight-leaning voters until very late, often until about a month out, and I can still imagine those folks might be hoping for a stronger recovery, rather than planning for more of the same economic doldrums, in considering their November voting decision.

    But I bet you're at least partly right.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    This sounds right...
    I'm worried about last minute deciders in both the House and Senate elections if this keeps up.  

    [ Parent ]
    Works both ways
    They are waiting for actual campaigns. I call that an opportunity.

    [ Parent ]
    Ah conspiracy, always the optimist...
    No but seriously, I appreciate the way you keep all of us sliding over to Tekzilla territory on the straight and narrow  

    [ Parent ]
    As I keep saying
    Things are real bad. No bones about it.

    [ Parent ]
    I have to say
    I too appreciate your level-headedness, which others are calling optimism.  You have talked me out of panic several times.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    I appreciate the kind words
    There is always hope.

    [ Parent ]
    The economy is not a bad issue for Democrats in general
    There are no polls or national mood to put Bush and House Republicans in charge of changing the kitty litter.

    The economy is bad for anyone in a position of power, and there are just more Democrats like that.


    [ Parent ]
    IL-Sen, Kirk. Drip, drip, drip, teaching "experience"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06...
    On the floor of the House, in campaign commercials and during interviews, Mr. Kirk has invoked his experience in the classroom. At a speech this spring to the Illinois Education Association, Mr. Kirk declared, "as a former nursery school and middle school teacher, I know some of what it takes to bring order to class."

    A review of public comments that Mr. Kirk has made over the last decade shows that while he may refer to himself as a former teacher, he does not talk about the brevity of his experience: a year in London at a private school and part-time in a nursery school as part of a work-study program while he was a student at Cornell University.



    SC-Sen: Linda Ketner may run as Independent
    Linda Ketner, the unsuccessful SC-1 congressional candidate  from 2008 (48% vs. Henry Brown) is the receipient of a 'draft' movement driven by her 2008 supporters.  

    On the surface, I am personally on-board with this. However, I don't want to in any way jeopardize the overall Democratic ticket, especially for Governor.

    Any advice?  Should I sign the petition? 10,000 sigs are needed by July 15th.  


    BTW...
    If successful, Ketner would be the first openly Lesbian candidate to win a senate seat.    

    [ Parent ]
    Sounds like an alternative
    if Vic Rawl's motion to overturn the primary is denied.

    Otherwise, I'd think Alvin Greene as the D Senate candidate would depress D voting turnout.


    [ Parent ]
    What
    grounds can they deny it? I heard that it is pretty unlikely.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    I hope you're right, but
    per http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

    The burden of proof at the hearing will be on Rawl. "To overturn an election is a very high threshold even for this committee," noted Jay Parmley, Executive Director for the SCDP.


    [ Parent ]
    Sorry
    I wrote that kind of sloppy. I meant to say what grounds can they deny Greene's candidacy?

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    Not shocking...
    This is not going to be shocking, but she might even be more unelectable than Greene.  

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    What?
    She got 48% of the vote in a very dark red district against and incumbent. I would say she is a notch above Alvin Greene.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    That's ridiculous
    She almost won a very red district (R+10) in 2010, only losing by four percent to an incumbent. The idea that Ketner is more unelectable than Greene, a guy facing felony charges and without any campaign money or experience is completely laughable. Of course any challenger will face highly doubtful odds of beating Demint, but Ketner, with her political and business connections in South Carolina, would have been a significantly better candidate than Vic Rawl or Alvin Greene.

    [ Parent ]
    Because she's gay?
    Because she's gay?  Well, she did very well in her SC-01 run.  So she already has a base.  Let's she how big a statewide base she can build.  It might not be enough to overcome hard-line anti-gay sentiment.  But I'd want to see how big it could get.

    [ Parent ]
    Projected political homophobia much, Ryan?
    Either that, or you're just incredibly misinformed. Seriously, Linda Ketner is among the most electable LGBT candidates in the South, if not America: scion of a deeply-rooted local family, active philanthropist and community leader, scandal-free, rich as hell, runs smart campaigns, etc.

    To the extent that they're applied to individual politicians, gay-baiting and homophobia don't work anymore, politically. Individuals aren't Generic Lesbian. Just ask Annise Parker. And you realize they have gay pride parades in friggin' Spartanburg, SC (pop. 40,000), nowadays, right?

    Sure, she may not be able to win statewide in South Carolina in 2010 (I don't think Jesus could if he ran as a Democrat), but to put her in the same category as political joke Alvin Greene is friggin' insulting, dude. Seriously.

    Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


    [ Parent ]
    I think the potential candidacy speaks well of her
    If Rawl can't get back on the ballot, such a candidacy would be "taking one for the team". I would hope that leads to a reward for her in some future election.

    [ Parent ]
    She
    had the chance to run in an open seat this year when Brown retired but passed it up. That would have been a much better opportunity if you ask me.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    I agree with you
    She had an infinitely better chance to win in that congressional seat than she does trying to take down DeMint.  

    Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't quibble with people who want a break between campaigns
    And I suspect she might have a better chance running in '12 on President Obama's coattails.

    I think it speaks well of her that she's willing to forgo her break from elective politics. If Rawl can't get the primary overturned, then a Ketner candidacy would preserve turnout, providing a better chance for Shaheen for Gov, along with down-ballot candidates.


    [ Parent ]
    Why
    didn't she run in the Democratic primary? I have always liked her a lot, I gave her 20 bucks last year and would do it again. I would sign it if Greene is still on the ballot, because let's be honest he is not going to win and do you want Democrats to be stuck voting for Jim DeMint? People deserve a better option. I don't think it will harm the Governor's race but I will not pretend to know SC politics as well as I should.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    Could have some benefits
    If Ketner were to gain some traction, it could force DeMint to spend some of his money on his own campaign, as opposed to donating it all away, which he certainly would be able to do if Greene remains his only challenger.

    [ Parent ]
    Very True
    DeMint does not deserve a free pass by any means. He is my least favorite member of the GOP and should have to at least work at little bit.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    Why?
    I would think you would love him. He is the man who is working harder than anyone, even Bob Menendez, to ensure Republicans are always in the minority in the Senate.  

    [ Parent ]
    Not
    to offend because this sounds highly partisan but I view him as "chief obstructionist" I think he is what is wrong with politics today.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    Lol
    so true GOPVoter. He is definitely proving that he wants his caucus of 33 purists.

    [ Parent ]
    Ketner, Green Party
    There's also the Green Party candidate, Tom Clements, who got some newspaper attention a week back.

    http://www.clementsforsenate.com

    So if you don't want to vote Greene, you can vote Green instead. :-)

    About Ketner, that would be great if she ran.  I was disappointed that she didn't try for SC-01 again.  Rawl is pretty much discredited for letting his loss happen.  A run by Ketner may not be successful, but it would be a lot more energizing.


    [ Parent ]
    Nice quote in that SC-Gov Politico piece
    It has SC Chamber of Commerce President Otis Rawl saying that Gresham, his preferred choice, "talked about specifics a lot more than the buzzwords of transparency and accountability that don't mean much to our guys."

    What he ostensibly meant was that "For our guys, when you start talking about transparency, there's transparency right now", which seems a fairly dubious claim itself. But damn .. talk about a quote that unwittingly says it all about doing business in a state of good ol' boys: "transparency and accountability .. don't mean much to our guys."

    38, Male, SP, NL / LMP, HU


    I interpreted that quotation completely differently, and as a legit slam on Haley......
    My take on that quotation was not that Rawl and his constituency dislike transparency and accountability, but that they view Haley's use of those terms as empty buzzwards--Rawl said "buzzwards" after all.  The business community has specific issues they want and need addressed by the state, and Haley doesn't offer anything to address those issues.  That was my read on it, and I thought it was a revealing and smart part of the Politico piece.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

    [ Parent ]
    Sheheen
    has a legitimate shot at getting their endorsement it appears. It's the same way Hodges won in 1998; a split GOP establishment.  

    [ Parent ]
    That is my take as well.
    Business is tired of empty idealogical windmill joisting.  That's all they ever got from Sanfraud.  They want specifics and results.  They won't get that from the tea party queen.  

    [ Parent ]
    No, of course
    I didn't think that was how he meant it either - that's why I wrote "unwittingly". Still would makes for a pretty awkward quote though, IMO.

    38, Male, SP, NL / LMP, HU

    [ Parent ]
    I think what he means is that
    Nikki Haley has the same grasp on policy issues as Sarah Palin does.

    [ Parent ]
    WI-Sen
    Because I'm sure a bunch of people in Wisconsin are familiar with Rand Paul and Sharron Angle.  

    Intellectual
    people are. That is to say people who watch the national news and such. It probably won't do much but all the same I don't think it will hurt Feingold any.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    I doubt most people remember them
    That would be like David Vitter linking Melancon to Alan Grayson. Even people who watch the national news won't remember who the hell Alan Grayson is. Hell, look at all the states with appointed senators. Most of them don't know anything about their senators, and they don't have to watch the national news to know about them.  

    [ Parent ]
    Going down the same alley...
    How many people care about the senate race with no real primary still five months away?  If anything, Feingold is keeping Johnson on the defense and testing his campaign's ability to respond early while it doesn't matter much.  

    [ Parent ]
    Its not like
    people here know who Ron Johnson is either. In any case i think it was more of a attempt to get Johnson to potentially say something stupid rather than tie him too Rand Paul and Sharron Angle.

    20, male, independent, WI-07.

    [ Parent ]
    I
    love Maine. It is one of those few states where an Independent or third party can be considered a serious contender. I am a loyal Democrat but all the same it is nice to see an indy win once in a while.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    WI So where are all the tea party folk?
      I spent a lot of time in the Badger state in my youth and when the tea party,tea bagger crowd first came out I said that there is no mystery in my mind where they came from.  Hell, rural and small town WI 40 years ago was almost ALL tea party types.  Yet I find little evidence that the tea party folk are banding together in the land of LaFollette. Something has happened but I am not sure what, maybe we should ask David Keene, I used to eat fish fries at his parents tavern.  
      Back in those years conservative america was fighting the fight of their life. A cause so worthwhile they stood like Horatius at the gate.  They were ready to die in the last ditch rather than give up the fight.  And what was this issue which united the conservatives and the unwashed like no other?  It was guys wearing long hair down to their collar.  
      I don't think Russ is in any real danger; he will make their cheese a bit more binding.  He LOOKS too much like a senator to be voted out.  He has class and brains; if I were to bet I would say when the dust clears he wins by 5 percent.  Rollo Weems, Humboldt Co. NV

    Rollo "Rob" Weems

    35-40 years ago rural/small town Wisconsin was very progressive
    compared to most of the rest of the country.  Robert Cornell, a liberal priest, won rural/small city counties in the northeast.  Obey was elected in the sprawling empty spaces of the northwest.  Gary Goyke almost beat Tom Petri in the east central area (and Petri and Steiger before him have always been in the left 15% of Republican house members).

    Rural Wisconsin has always been pretty progressive, dating back 100+ years, even in McCarthy's time.

    The red area of Wisconsin is the deep red Milwaukee exurbs, which is the natural home of teabaggers who oppose high taxes that don't seem to translate into anything useful.


    [ Parent ]
    You made some good points but. . .
      Obviously you have never lived in places like Jefferson or Dodge counties back in the late '60s.  It was like being in the middle ages.  Witches would have been burnt if the law had allowed it.  A referendom on the whipping of felons in the town square would have passed easily. Yes, Wisconsin had it's progressive moments but don't confuse progressive and populist movements as they are often contrary to each other.  My favorite moron, Sharron Angle, is considered by many to be a populist.
      Sure you can cite individual races but there could have been special circumstances involved.  And above all, there was a reason the drunken lout Joe McCarthy was elected, it is because a lot of folks identified with his home town of Mosinee.  Ah, there is a place of progressive ideals.
      Things have changed a lot since then but I won't budge one inch on the subject of rural Wisconsin in those times. Nixon won in 1960, and I am old enough to remember that.  It was a nasty campaign, my minister railed against Kennedy from the pulpit. The democrats had majorities only in the larger urban areas.  
     The only constant in the world is change.  And Wisconsin did change.  I think Russ will win but even now it will be the big urban areas that will hand him the victory.
     Thanks for you post, I like a good topic to chew over.

       

    Rollo "Rob" Weems


    [ Parent ]
    Didn't the author of "growing up red"
    write about his childhood in rural Wisconsin?

    [ Parent ]
    correction
    it was suburban Milwaukee

    [ Parent ]
    Jefferson or Dodge counties
    are relatively similar to the Milwaukee suburbs in their republicaness, the progressive rural areas tend to be up here in the west and north. I would say it largely has to do with ancestry with the west being primarily of Scandinavian descent making it somewhat culturally similar to Scandinavia.

      Of course the west mostly voted for nixon as well, but at the same time gaylord nelson was elected governor winning most of the west and north.[of course he was from a small town up here not too far from me.]
     However i have no doubt that rural Wisconsin has changed all you have to do is look at the presidental numbers for waupaca county too see that.

    20, male, independent, WI-07.


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    On Wisconsin
      Few people live in Northern Wisconsin so what happens there is not a big factor.  But anyway, such areas are far from being Nirvana's for liberals or progressives.  The same could be said about the driftless area.  I have ancestors from Pepin Co. and yes there are a lot of Norsks, Danes and errant Swedes in those parts but there are a lot of Germans too.
      In Wisconsin political contests the trick for dems has always to get within a few points out in the wilds and then win big in the cities.
      What I find interesting is lack of organized tea bagger activity in WI.  Sure, things have changed but there are still all sorts of libertarian/posse types in the hills and dales. If you doubt me just hang around an American Legion Post. Yet there were few meetings last year when there were rallies all over the country.  I don't believe for one minute that they were too smart to be taken in by the likes of Dick Army.  So I have no idea what is going on except that maybe these people are too ornery to be joiners.
      Once I lost control of my tongue in a bar in Waupaca, I doubted that the world was made in seven days.  And I ridiculed the notion that languages came from an early attempt to build the Sears tower.  I had to buy a couple of rounds of drinks to avoid being led through the streets with my nose held by pliers.
      So I will watch the coming elections in WI with great interest and damn conservatives and Cylons each.  

    Rollo "Rob" Weems

    [ Parent ]
    Funny that you mention
    Hills and dales considering the name of the town i live in. :)
    I also have some libertarian views on some issues, but sadly no posse of my own. ;)

    Anyways i dont have much of a clue as to why there isnt more "tea party" activity out here in the boonies. I do remember the local paper mentioning one last year, but i dont know if there has been many since. I think its mostly just that people have more important things in life to do like looking for jobs.

    Never been to waupaca myself just drove threw im sure its still that kinda place, i was pointing out it went from voting for nixon with about 70% vote too narrowly voting for obama in the course of 50 years.

    20, male, independent, WI-07.


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