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FL-Sen, FL-Gov: Attack of the Shady Billionaires

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jun 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM EDT


Quinnipiac (6/2-8, likely voters, no trendlines):

Rick Scott (R): 44
Bill McCollum (R): 31
Undecided: 24
(MoE: ±3.4%)

Kendrick Meek (D): 29
Jeff Greene (D): 27
Maurice Ferre (D): 3
Undecided: 37
(MoE: ±3.5%)

Here's a "holy crap!" moment from Quinnipiac: the two random sketchy ultra-wealthy guys, Rick Scott and Jeff Greene, whose entries into the GOP gubernatorial primary and Democratic Senate primary (respectively) initially seemed like go-nowhere vanity projects, are actually in serious contention thanks to lavish TV spending.

In particular, Rick Scott (former CEO for hospital corporation Columbia/HCA) has shot ahead of Bill McCollum. Scott's favorables are a very high 40/12 among GOPers, indicating that McCollum's (or Mary Cheney's, really) attempts to point out that whole Medicare fraud thing on Scott's part have gotten drowned out by the sheer volume of Scott's advertising. Of course, it doesn't look like McCollum has gotten too badly harmed by Rentboy; he's also a 41/19 among GOPers, so he might be able to fight his way back if he can find his financial footing, ad-wise.

Jeff Greene, the derivatives pioneer who increased his fortune betting on an economic collapse caused in part by those same derivatives, isn't leading, but is nipping at Kendrick Meek's heels in the Democratic Senate primary. Meek has spent little on advertising so far, so despite his institutional frontrunner status, he isn't particularly better-known than Greene right now.

Quinnipiac released its general election numbers separately:

Quinnipiac (6/2-8, registered voters, 4/8-13 in parentheses (Sen, Gov)):

Kendrick Meek (D): 17 (24)
Marco Rubio (R): 33 (30)
Charlie Crist (I): 37 (32)
Undecided: 11 (13)

Jeff Greene (D): 14
Marco Rubio (R): 33
Charlie Crist (I): 40
Undecided: 11

Alex Sink (D): 32
Rick Scott (R): 42
Undecided: 21

Alex Sink (D): 34 (36)
Bill McCollum (R): 42 (40)
Undecided: 19 (21)
(MoE: ±2.9%)

Alex Sink (D): 26
Rick Scott (R): 35
Bud Chiles (I) : 13
Undecided: 23

Alex Sink (D): 25
Bill McCollum (R): 33
Bud Chiles (I) : 19
Undecided: 19
(MoE: ±4.7%)

Charlie Crist may actually be able to thread the needle here (especially if he gets an assist from Jeff Greene, as Crist breaks off an extra 3% from the Dem column if it's Greene instead of Meek); he leads Marco Rubio in both configurations, thanks to, if you believe the trendlines, eating up a further share of Dem votes.

Things aren't looking so good for Alex Sink in the gubernatorial race, with similar underperformances against both Scott and McCollum. (Interestingly -- and I don't know if this is a trend or a blip -- Rasmussen finds the Governor's race a much better bet for the Dems right now than Quinnipiac does.)

It looks like Quinnipiac added a Bud Chiles option mid-sample once the indie candidate announced (as explained by the higher MoE on the three-ways). Despite his Democratic lineage, Chiles' entry doesn't seem to hurt Sink disproportionately, as he seems to have enough Dixiecrat appeal to draw equally from both column D and column R. The 8-to-9 point margins between the Rs and Sink remains unchanged with Chiles in the mix.
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Sooner of Later
Crist is going to have to say who he will caucus with. If it's the dems, with these kinds of leads, I'm in.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26
Nah.
He can abolsutely say he's not going to decide until he gets to the Senate and talks the leaders of each party.
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Agree w/wmlawman, and I think he HAS to say that to keep his pan-partisan voting coalition intact......
Crist is consistently pulling in at least one-quarter of Republicans even as he splits Democrats with Meek and splits indies with Rubio.  And this has been so consistent in so many polls over a couple months that it's become a stable reality.  It can certainly be upended, even fairly quickly, by the candidates and campaigns, but his coalition won't just fade away without the campaigns triggering the movement.

And Crist deciding to no longer play coy and announce he'll caucus with us is just one such thing that can shake up his coalition and bring him down.  He'll lose more Republicans than he'll gain in Democrats, and indies at best will hold steady with a chance of erosion if anti-Democratic sentiment factors into their calculation.

Crist is smart to be coy.  And, in fact, it might very well be he does not personally have an opinion on whose caucus he should join if he wins.  He might very well be genuinely torn.  But he knows bolstering his support from center-left voters is his best path to victory going forward, so he's leaning that way for the election.

I'm with trowaman, though, in that as he moves left, I'm in.  I'm a practical and partisan liberal, and a Crist victory is a Democratic victory.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Crist's a smart politician;
he'll cultivate the support of the voters who got him elected the first time, which would mean the Democrats (who'll still be controlling the Senate in 2011, however narrowly, so it's smarter politically too).

I personally guess that if Crist wins, in 2016 he'll seek the Democratic nomination (no point letting that extra 10-20% on his left go to someone else when it could be his; at the cost of a few points from the middle/right, to be sure, but I imagine it would come out in his favour in the end).

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From a strategic campaign POV
Crist shouldn't say. He needs to preserve his credibility with both Ds and Rs.
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Crist is the Republican Lieberman.
Sure the Republicans COULD get him.  Provided they get a majority.  But the question is whether he'll actually do them an ounce of good.

Crist feels burned by the Republicans.  The Republicans feel burned by Crist.

Hence why given the Republicans will probably fall short of gaining 10 seats why he'll probably end up with the Democrats.

The Democratic Party is also the best place for him given his ambitions for higher office.  If he wins he'll be on everyones short list for VP in 2016 in the Democratic Party.  On the other hand no one in the Republican Party is going to want to get near him.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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VP? Really?
Not unless he becomes a full-on Democrat.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
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Yup, "indy caucusing with Dems" WON'T do it. But if he wins & eventually completes the flip...
...then maybe he'd be on short lists.

Or maybe not.

It depends on how he conducts himself as a Senator, and how he's perceived in Florida.

But there will always be resistance to him, just as the Republican rank-and-file don't want Lieberman to be their formal nominee for anything.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
The saying around here is
we in the Church accept converts, but we don't make them Pope.
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As a potential VP he's stronger without doing so.
Though certainly doing a full switch would be helpful in getting his foot in the door.

If John McCain had done what he wanted to do (and what he probably should have done) and picked Joe Lieberman as his VP candidate Joe would've been marched out as a Democrat crossing over because he has had "enough" of the Democratic Party.  Replete with Reaganesque "I never left the Democratic Party.  The Democratic Party left me."

Now of course Joe was a former Democratic VP candidate.  So perhaps using him as a crossover vehicle to get independents (if not Democrats) on that basis might have a bit more merit.  But you'd make the same case with Crist.  And the same appeal at the center.

Actually him formally abandoning his pro-life platform (which he seems to be in the process of doing already) would be far more important than formally joining pre-2016 as abortion on the national level is THE make or break issue at the Presidential level and pro-choice groups might try to challenge him and create bad press at the convention otherwise.  That's why McCain decided to go in another direction.

But in VP selection choosing someone who can bring you a state matters.  Yes I know... Wyoming for Bush and Delaware for Obama.  But statewide officials from swing states were in the short list as well.

Actually Crist's biggest problem would be assuming he's elected he'd be up for re-election in 2016.  By then I'd also assume he'd be fully over to the Democratic Party since running on a party is a lot easier and folks would be loath to put a Senate seat at risk.  Which would benefit the prospects of Bill Nelson assuming he's re-elected in 2012.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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McCain
would have done worse had he picked Lieberman. Palin was a horrible choice but Lieberman would have been even worse.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Lieberman would've helped McCain win ground with independents.
And what really pushed McCain over the edge was the bank meltdown.  That is when people got scared and substance trumped style.  And whether or not be annoys the hell out of Democrats Lieberman is perceived by the public as an adult whereas Palin was not.

Palin was a move to excite the base.  Unfortunately she helped push independents away.  McCain's best argument against Obama was that McCain was the most experienced leader in a crisis and Obama was "risky" and "radical."  The Palin selection undermined those arguments.

Obama had weaknesses among Jewish voters that McCain wasn't in the end able to capitalize on.  Lieberman could've changed that and at the very least put Florida into the Republican column.  I can't think of a state the selection of Palin put into the Republican column.  Only one I could even make an argument for is Missouri.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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Lieberman might have
helped in the middle, but he'd have absolutely crippled McCain at the base.  A pro-choice former Democrat with what is all-in-all a liberal voting history on the ticket, next-in-line to the presidency with a 72-year-old man in the chair?  It would have required every ounce of arm-twisting to stop an attempted mutiny at the convention, and there'd have been no way to contain evangelical discontent outside of Lieberman throwing all his old positions overboard (totally negating the supposed advantage of putting him on the ticket).

Republicans like Lieberman as a thorn in the side of the Democrats, particularly on foreign policy, where their views sync up the most.  He could be in McCain's Cabinet.  But he could never be a fixture of the Republican leadership, and certainly not on the ticket.  He's more liberal on most domestic policy than Lincoln Chafee was.

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Respectfully disagree
Lieberman would have seriously depressed conservative voter turnout which could have helped us win some of southern states and Senate seats. Also I am willing to bet he would have gotten challenged at the convention. Mac should have chosen a non Palin conservative.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
2 things...
My thoughts are the numbers are ok. For Alex Sink, the only reason she isn't more competitive is because she isn't well know and has done no ads. Through news reports, she plans to spend $30 million on her campaign and will began advertising in August. Also, she does have a vast amount of her own money if needed to throw in. I think, she should start advertising now, but in the end I believe she will win this. The two gop guys, I can't figure which one I'd rather see her go against. I'm kinda pulling for Rick Scott, only because of his insane baggage. Alex Sink is a strong business woman with no baggage and has proven before she can pull in typically gop voters. When voters are faced with a businessman who has incredible baggage and a businesswoman with no baggage I think they will choose Sink.

As for the senate race, I'm 100% for Meek, if he wins the primary, which I think he will, I will support him over Crist. If Jeff Greene wins, I will 100% support Crist! Thats all I will say about that race.

Methinks Greene seals the deal for Crist; and onNot FL-Gov, I'm surprised by Chiles......
Regarding FL-Sen, Greene polling so well this quickly in the primary tells me Meek is a goner and Crist will end up the de facto Democrat.  And Crist will beat Rubio.

Greene will force Meek to spend all his money hitting Greene just to get out of the primary, the situation made worse for Meek by the primary being so late that there's no time to raise money for November.  Florida being a big state, you need lots of cash fast, and Meek's fundraising pace just isn't good enough to accomplish that.

Meek may or may not win the primary, but if he does, he'll be plum broke and invisible in October and November and will end up likely no better than Alan Schlesinger territory.  If Greene is the nominee, he's going to find out that while you can just buy a primary win in a big state where money and ads rule, you can't win that way in November...you gotta penetrate more resistent voters, and that takes skill and discipline in self-defining, in attacking opponents, and in field organizing.  I doubt he'll be up to the task.

All this means that Crist, if he doesn't implode in his own right which he's not done, keeps is pan-partisan colition intact while becoming the de facto Democrat, and he wins.  Really, Crist is following the Lieberman model in reverse, looking to consolidate "opposite" party support while keeping a sizeable minority of his former party's voters.

Of course, all this assumes Crist is able to raise some money at a semi-competent pace to supplement the many millions he's already got.  No longer having a primary helps Crist a lot on the money front.

All in all Jeff Greene is Charlie Crist's best friend.

Regarding FL-Gov, I'm stunned Bud Chiles polls so well right out of the gate, given the inability of other legacy candidates to use name recognition the same way.  I imagine Chiles' polling strength reflects anti-establishment sentiment, especially since he seems to damage both major party candidates.  I still expect him to fade very badly over time, with no money or other means of drawing serious positive attention in what is too huge state to get voters' attention without many millions of dollars.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

Has anybody looked into
Links between Greene and Crist? After reading your post it struck me that the timing of both their announcements could be a little suspicious. But maybe my pseudonym proceeds me!  
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Governor's race
Dems are blowing a golden opportunity in the governor's race.  And "Bud" Chiles being in certainly doesn't help one bit.
I don't agree!
Alex Sink, like I said, has shown that she can win gop voters. She just won the PBA endorsement. She is the first Democrat to ever win that endorsement. Just because she hasn't gotten on tv yet does not mean its done. She can and will win this race. Just wait and see. When she ran for CFO against a very entrenched incumbent republican, everyone said she couldn't do it. But she ended up getting almost 55% of the vote. Believe me, she has it, she's just being smart about the whole thing. I trust the dems will come home as well as the gop who voted for her before.
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No, "Dems" aren't blowing it, Sink is blowing it......
Unfortunately Alex is living down to her surname.

We surprisingly (given that Florida has evolved into a naturally purple, no longer red, state) just don't have enough of a bench in Florida to offer anyone obviously better than her.

So we're stuck with her, and with hoping she wakes up and starts turning it around.

But who knows, maybe Scott wins the Republican primary and then implodes?  General election voters are more skeptical and resistant than primary voters, I think a lot of these anti-establishment candidates are going to learn that the hard way.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
What is she doing?
I'm sorry I just don't understand why everyone is saying she is blowing it. She is waiting to see who she will be up against, and if that is Scott, than the more money she doesn't use now, will be usable during the general. Also, Sink has defiantly raised her profile with the oil spill. I live in Tampa and believe me, she will have no problem getting the bay area and Orlando. So stop throwing her under the bus that hasn't come yet. Just wait and see.
[ Parent ]
What is Sink's background?
Does she have that kind of money to put into the campaign? From your other description, it sounds like she's planning a Jerry Brown kind of campaign, hoarding his money until near the end. I think Brown can do it because of his name recognition.

I'm not so sure about Sink, but don't know much about her. Does she have Brown-like name recognition?

[ Parent ]
No she doesn't.
However it says a lot that a man spending $18 million can't get any higher than 42% of vote. She is not well known in the state. But the way I see it, when people have the chance to vote for a biz who is a complete fraud and admits to it, and a biz who was extremely successful and has no fraud baggage people will choose her. Even gop folks. Sink has enough name recognition to not have to worry about spending in the primary, thats why there has been no ads on  her behalf. She is letting the republicans defend each other and when its time she will have the resources to define herself. Like I said before, she does have her own fortune to use, if she needs to. It's there and she has told folks that she plans to use $30 million to win this. I believe she can and will. She is being very smart about how she runs, and I think it will pay off in the end.

This race is far from over, I assure you!

[ Parent ]
She was the former CEO of Bank of America, the Florida leg
during the 90's
[ Parent ]
Please clarify
$18 million? 42%? Who and what election?
[ Parent ]
And what is the relevence to Sink's campaign? n/t

[ Parent ]
He means Scott.
The poll shows Scott at 42%.
[ Parent ]
My point is
I think the estimates of his ad spending is $18 million as of now, during a primary. I have seen his ads EVERYWHERE and on EVERY station here in Tampa. I may be wrong about the exact amount but if he's spending that much on an ad campaign and can't get more than 42% of the vote against Sink, that says a lot about the candidate, esp since the other candidate isn't well known. Thats what I mean. By August, Scott will be well known, and than Sink will have the money to define him, the way McCollum could not. In 2006 the republicans went after Alex with everything they could find, and still only got 42-45% of the vote, can't remember. She has not been in office for very long and therefore Rick's labeling of McCollum as a "career politician" won't stick with Sink. He'll have to find something else. There is a very clear advantage for Sink as in "I've spent 20 years in the business sector and created millions of jobs, and left under high recommendations, my opponent spent 20 years in the business sector and was fired for frauding the government and costing billion's of dollars in fines. Who do you trust?".

That is her clear advantage against Scott, plus she has the time to do the research, McCollum did not have anytime to get that message out.  

[ Parent ]
Somehow I don't think BoA is helpful with voters
It really is sounding like California. But Sink doesn't have Brown's name recognition, and Florida is far from blue.
[ Parent ]
your point...
...is well taken. but i think the "what's the matter with kansas?" meme is starting to apply to florida as well. there is alot of grumbling among some of the dems i speak with here in palm beach county. at the last dec meeting we were told that there was a big shake up in the sink campaign and we would see more of her. the gop ticket offers nothing to florida but more of what is turning this state into a banana republic. if rubio wins the senate seat and scott/mccollum the govenors office then i think we can kiss florida good-bye for a generation if not for good.
[ Parent ]
Not surprising at all.
First off, Florida isn't as purple as some would believe.  This is why Sink and Nelson are our only two state-wide elected officals.  I'd say it's still pretty conservative.

Second, the state is gerrymandered to hell and back, so we cannot even create a great bench in the legislature.

Sink isn't bad.  She's just not engaged in the campaign yet.  Whether or not this is smart, people obviously disagree on.

[ Parent ]
Jeff Greene
Geeze, I said Greene was one of my favorite candidates of the cycle because he was to laugh at not because I wanted him to torpedo Meek.  Someone needs to start a 527 in Florida against Greene making some sort of argument against naked credit default swaps that people will get.

Some of this pro-Crist rhetoric on here is troubling, this better not be coming from the same folks who were supporting Sestak, because Crist is to the right of Specter in my estimation unless someone has hard evidence to the contrary.    

Please donate to amcharities.org to help build more after school centers in the Miami area.  

23, Democrat, IA-2

Greene is a crook...
I will only support Crist if Greene win the primary, but I am voting for Meek either way!
[ Parent ]
Crist's place on the political spectrum
Do you mean to compare him with Specter's long record as a Republican or his short record as a Democrat?

I think it's hard to know precisely what Crist's voting record in the Senate would be like, or whether he has any core principles at all. But I'll make a prediction, anyway.

My feeling is that since he showed distinct signs of moderation as a Republican, Crist will be clearly to the left of his record as a Republican Governor if he serves as an Independent who I think would definitely caucus with the Democrats in the Senate if they are in the majority. And if he's winning the election in Florida, I think the chances that his vote would make the difference between the Democrats or Republicans being in the majority are practically nil (maybe 2% or something).

Do I think his vote will be as reliably Democratic as Specter's has been since shortly after he changed parties? No, and partly because he's an Independent, not a full-on Democrat. But do I think it will be to the left of Specter's voting record as a Republican? You bet your ass it will be! Because if he is elected, it will be primarily on the strength of Democratic and Democrat-leaning Independent votes. And Crist is nothing if not opportunistic and politically smart.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  

[ Parent ]
There's research which shows that
party switchers, including switching to indie and caucusing with the other side, tend to move more in line with their new party - as in they become more liberal or conservative.

So I would bet, that if Crist caucused with the Democrats, he'd become more liberal over time.

[ Parent ]
Indeed
Nate Silver has written about this and charted it at fivethirtyeight.com.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
[ Parent ]
No
I'm fully supporting Crist, and I was not and still am not a Sestak fan.

Meek can barely edge out Greene. For all we know, Meek might not even be the Democratic nominee, which says a lot about Meek's weakness as a candidate.

For those that keep saying "well Meek is just not really known yet throughout the state", remember he did the little petition thing where he spent over a year gathering over 130,000 signatures instead of paying the qualifying fee. From what I understand, Meek is the first statewide candidate to ever accomplish such a feat.

However, all that traveling, and he's barely beating Greene? All that traveling and he's getting spanked by Crist and Rubio?

Crist might not be the perfect candidate, and I'm sure he will anger some of the more liberal Democrats, but, Crist is much better than Rubio.

Meek's presence in the race, if he even wins the Primary, is to simply keep Crist looking like a moderate. That's all.

I was hoping Meek would eventually drop out, but now I hope he stays in since he's helping Crist!

[ Parent ]
Is there evidence
that Meek's presence is helping Crist? I'll bet if he were to bow out, Crist would get a lot of the voters who were supporting Meek.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
[ Parent ]
I think the argument goes that with
Meek to his left and Rubio to his right, he looks like the nice middle moderate.  If Meek is gone, then Crist (even without moving) appears more liberal - hurting him with Republicans.
[ Parent ]
But helping him with Democrats
and he wouldn't have to go further left to get more Democratic votes, with Meek out of the picture.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
[ Parent ]
Unknown - will the additional D votes for Crist
compensate for losses in R votes?

Alan Abramowitz at the Democratic Strategist has a study w/r/t D Senate --incumbents-- that suggests that the trade is generally even. I analyze the study a bit in this comment here http://www.swingstateproject.c...

While Crist is not a Senate incumbent, he is the incumbent Gov.... so maybe.

[ Parent ]
Stealers Wheel style!

[ Parent ]
I suspect

Meek is willing to take a dive.  The question is what Crist is going to give him for it.
[ Parent ]
He could be offered a job
by the Obama Administration. :-)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
[ Parent ]
My fellow Iowan, it's about getting the furthest left ELECTABLE candidate elected.......
Sestak can beat Toomey, consistently polled at least as well as Specter against Toomey, and seemed a more trustworthy liberal and Democratic vote than Toomey.  And with Specter it was a matter of trustworthiness.

But in Florida, it doesn't look like Meek can win.  That he's now struggling against Greene is probably the end of him, since he's not raising enough money to have to battle in tossups for both the nomination and the general.


43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
i agree...
...about greene being a crook. i think he is just another rich guy playing politics. he does seem to be making a big play in the jewish community in south florida. it remains to be seen how far that will get him.
I think he is a plant.
I think he got in in order to make Meek spend his money.
[ Parent ]
I don't see anything wrong
with Meek having to run a competative primary, considering how little known he is.  Having to connect with the voters to win the primary will give him a boost in the general, as people will finally see both who he is and what he stands for.
[ Parent ]
neither do i...
...meek needs to get more aggressive with greene AND rubio AND crist. he had no problem going after jeb so these three should be no big deal.
[ Parent ]
Sigh....
A win is a win. Meek has seriously disappointed me and his ethics make me nauseous. And I would sooner support Rubio over that Greene guy. So with all of this in consideration I am now supporting Crist. I am doing this assuming he will likely caucus with us, but knowing that even if he doesn't he will constantly be a thorn in the back of Republicans. I did not want too but Meek's ethics and overall unelectability in hand make Crist the reasonable choice.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
Also
I know we are not supposed to support Republicans here so if my comment is out of line I apologize. I know there has been no arguments over people supporting Chafee but I also know that many do not feel the same way about Crist.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
Chafee was doing this crap before it was cool
In 2006, before the days of Scozzafava and Crist. Already facing a strong general election challenge from Sheldon Whitehouse, he nearly got teabagged to death by wacko Cranston mayor Steve Laffey. Sick of the cat fud, he left the Republican Party and later enthusiastically endorsed Obama, and called Palin a "cocky wacko." Not only does Chafee's story help the "Republicans are teabagging the electable moderates and replacing them with unelectable crazies" narrative, it also means that the GOP's only realistic bench in the state is Cranston mayor Allan Fung and Warwick mayor Scott Avedisian (who, like Crist, is rumored to be gay). Maybe it's just because he makes my boring state's politics somewhat interesting, but I think Chafee is a baller. :)

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
What's up with Jr?
Let's hope Chiles crashes and burns like Pete Jr. did in the Republican primary in New Mexico. Why would anyone want to vote for Chiles? All he appears to offer is a famous name and nothing else. Blah....

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
Well...
Well as it appears now, he is taking away evenly from both. He will have no fundraising pro's because he limits himself with his pledge of no more than $250 donations, although very honorable but not practical in a state like FL in the times we are in now. He will have no party apparatus for GOTV. So I just don't see him being an issue. The reason he is getting so hidh of numbers is because of his name, once Alex gets on TV I expect those numbers to decrease.
[ Parent ]
Greene winning should be great
he'll spend a fortune promoting a decent agenda, which will work against rubio and ensure Crist wins.

With Rubio at the expected 33%, there is no way for a Democrat to win without getting more votes than Crist, and that just ain't gonna happen (short of two major blunders).

Agreed.
I actually hope that Greene realizes that even with his millions he can't win and then uses his millions to hit Rubio in the general (and with Rubio trying to hit Crist) so that Charlie can use his funds to develop a positive narrative to pummel them both.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.
[ Parent ]
I wonder if Sink could actually
Do what Sestak did. Many people, myself among them, were very doubtful he could beat Specter yet he knew what he was doing. I'm willing to give Sink the benefit of the doubt here.
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