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Polling the Pollsters

by: Crisitunity

Thu May 20, 2010 at 5:23 PM EDT


With the outsider and/or netroots candidates (I threw in the "and/or" because Jack Conway doesn't really fit the "outsider" tag) having overperformed polling expectations in basically all the major primaries (Arkansas, Pennsylvania, and both sides in Kentucky), I thought it would be worth a quick look at what pollsters came closest to getting it right before Tuesday.

Arkansas: The two polls in the two weeks, from R2K and Mason-Dixon before the primary both gave Blanche Lincoln a lead in the 10-ish ballpark, quite different from her 45-42 finish. The closest prediction came from back in mid-April, in the TalkBusiness poll (conducted by Zeta|3), which gave Lincoln a 7-point lead (38-31) and was also the only pollster to see D.C. Morrison breaking into the double digits (at 10 -- he ended up at 13).

Kentucky (D): The night's closest result, a 44-43 win for Jack Conway, has to be seen as a surprise: no public pollster had given Conway a lead over Dan Mongiardo since PPP back in December. (A Conway internal in early May gave himself a 4-point lead.) Honors in this category probably go to SurveyUSA, who one week before the primary foresaw a dead heat, in the form of a 38-37 Mongiardo lead.

Kentucky (R): The 59-35 Randslide was a bigger Paul edge than most pollsters saw, although if you follow the trendlines, there was a pretty clear break for Paul among undecideds at the end that put him on a trajectory for 59. The three last pollsters to hit this race all caught that trend: SurveyUSA on the 9th-11th saw it at 49-33, and PPP and Magellan on the 15th-16th saw 52-34 and 55-30 respectively. I'll give Republican firm Magellan the nod, for almost nailing the margin.

Pennsylvania: As I'd expected, Pennsylvania's primary saw the incumbent rule making a comeback, as most undecideds broke Joe Sestak's way for a 54-46 victory over Arlen Specter (the Pollster aggregate going in was 43-all). With most pollsters projecting a dead heat, I was a little skeptical at the time of Suffolk's one-week-out prediction of a 9-point margin (49-40), but that turned out very close to the actual margin.

PA-12: There's not much polling data to compare here (Pollster doesn't have an aggregate), but two of the pollsters that we tend to like, PPP and R2K, both whiffed, predicting a narrow Tim Burns victory (rather than the actual 53-45 Mark Critz win). The winner here is the Global Strategy Group poll that came straight from the Critz camp, accurately prediciting an 8-point spread (44-36); the best public poll came from, of all places, Susquehanna (a Pennsylvania-based Republican pollster, although working for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review rather than Burns here), whose last poll of the race gave a 44-38 edge to Critz.

While we're talking about the 12th, how did we at SSP do? We had a sophisticated model running behind the scenes helping us with our projections as the night progressed, and our numbers guru jeffmd shares his assessment:

The model (in my not-so-unbiased opinion) did decently well, but as with these types of models, suffers from the all-too-tenuous uniform swing assumption. Uniform swing was clearly not out in force today, considering, for example, a 6.63% Critz overperformance in Cambria County (Critz's base) and a 5.83% underperformance in Washington County (Burns' home base). Variability in precinct size is also an issue. In terms of predicting percentages, the model got pretty close with about 1/3 of precincts in (see graph below), but in terms of raw votes, the model seemed to underestimate the number of votes cast (second graph). For what it's worth, this is a problem also present in the Coakley-Brown model. Regardless, it's something SSP Labs will continue to refine moving forward.

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For PA-12, the closest poll was... WE ASK AMERICA!
It's true and shocking.

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/0...


I have never heard of these guys
WTF?

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

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what I always tell people
Polls don't predict; at best they merely reflect reality at that moment.  

Looking back,
my predictions weren't that bad. I nailed KY-Sen (R), PA-Gov, and PA-12, and was a few points off in KY-Sen (D) and AR-Sen. I was pretty off on PA-Sen, but I think that has to do with my extreme pro-Specter bias. Of course, all my guesses have to do with polling (along with gut), so I would imagine that the polls were decent during mini-Super Tuesday.

(This post wasn't meant for bragging, but I think I'm finally learning how to read polls, so I want to pat myself on the back!)

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan


This post
"This post wasn't meant for bragging"  .... whatever, bragger.  :)

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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I think whenever someone has to preface it with that
then it's automatically bragging :)

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan

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I'll brag a little too
I was usually pretty close: I messed up PA-Gov a bit because I thought more names were on the ballot.  Here's the link: keep in mind I changed my original PA-12 before polls closed: http://swingstateproject.com/s...

My predictions, with current results in parentheses:

PA-Sen:
Sestak 53% (54%)
Specter 46% (46%)
Other 1% (0%)

Pa-Gov:
Onorato 45%  (45%)
Wagner 12%  (24%)
Williams 10% (18%)
Hoeffel 8%  (13%)
Other 15% (0%)

Critz 52% (53%)
Burns 48% (45%)
Other 2% (0%)

Lincoln 46% (45%)
Halter 43% (42%)
Morrison 11% (13%)

Boozman 54% (53%)
Holt 20% (17%)
Baker 17% (12%)
Other 9% (18%)

Paul 55% (59%)
Grayson 39% (35%)
Other 6% (6%)

Conway 46% (44%)
Mongiardo 42% (43%)
Other 12% (13%)

Kitzhaber 63% (66%)
Bradbury 37% (33%)

Dudley 45% (40%)
Alley 32%  (32%)
Other 23% (28%)



21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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I only got Sestak right
And I have rarely been happier about it!

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St Paul Sage and I tied for the win on Sestak
Dead on at 54-46! But I posted a couple of hours earlier!!!!lol

Best Conway
metstotop333 said 45.5-44.5

98632 and Jolpaj got Critz closest at 53-47 and nycyoungin said 54-46

Darth Jeff won at Lincoln 46-43-11
 


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Collectively this community is much more accurate
than those TV talking heads!

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Sooo true


NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan

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