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SSP Daily Digest: 5/13 (Afternoon Edition)

by: Crisitunity

Thu May 13, 2010 at 3:34 PM EDT


AZ-Sen: A little tension here between John McCain and retiring Rep. John Shadegg? Shadegg has endorsed McCain (along with the rest of Arizona's GOP House delegation) but was publicly laughing along with the Morning Joe crew to John McCain's new TV ad on border security (which marks a big 'ol flip-flop for the one-time pro-immigration reform McCain).

NV-Sen: Everyone's abuzz today about the new Mason-Dixon/LVRJ poll that has right-winger Sharron Angle moving into contention in the GOP primary, mostly as Sue Lowden's expense. The numbers suggest that may have more to do with Angle's higher profile after getting the Tea Party Express endorsement, rather than blowback from Lowden having laid an egg. We'll have more on that poll once we have the general election numbers. Danny Tarkanian still seems to be in the thick of things, though; he's touting an internal poll that has him tied with Lowden at 30-30, with Angle hanging back at 15. Tarkanian may also be able to blunt Angle's surge a bit with a far-right endorsement of his own, from Minutemen co-founder Jim Gilchrist.

NY-Sen-B: Rep. Peter King took a pass on challenging Kirsten Gillibrand after much public pondering, but today he's announcing that he's backing Bruce Blakeman in the GOP primary among the various lower-tier candidates who did get in.

CA-Gov: Yesterday, Steve Poizner rooted around in his change jar and found an extra $2.5 million to go toward a final push in the GOP gubernatorial primary. Meg Whitman was unimpressed, raising the stakes with another $5 million (bringing her own campaign-long total to $64 million of her own money). "That's not a ludicrous waste of money. Now this is a ludicrous waste of money," she was overheard saying in an Australian accent.

CT-Gov: Stop the presses! Rudy Marconi is out of the Democratic field for the gubernatorial race. Since this is probably the first you've heard of him and you may be thinking he's the guy who invented the radio, no, he's the First Selectman of Ridgefield. He was the last minor Dem to fall, making it a two-man fight between Ned Lamont and Dan Malloy. (Marconi endorsed Lamont on the way out.) Both Lamont and Malloy picked up some labor endorsements too, although it seems like Malloy got the bigger score, in the form of the SEIU's two largest locals in the state. Lamont got the Laborers.

MA-Gov: It looks like the RGA's hard hit on indie Tim Cahill (echoes of their attacks on Chris Daggett in New Jersey) may have had the desired effects. A Rasmussen poll this week showed Cahill lagging into the teens, in the third place, with GOPer Charlie Baker moving up (unfortunately for them, it also seemed to suggest some Cahill votes moving to Patrick too, as he moved up even more than Baker and pushed into the 40s, but I suppose that's part of the GOP's plan to try and minimize Cahill and turn it into a traditional two-man race). It also blunted a social conservative uprising: a number of RNC national committee members had moved to stop the RGA from spending money on Charlie Baker because of his tolerant social views, but many of them withdrew that request shortly after seeing the polls indicating that the GOP attacks were actually working. UPDATE: National Journal has some additional background, and it seems like the back-down may have had more to do with some hard arm-twisting from Haley Barbour than a sudden epiphany on the part of the recalcitrant Iowans.

MN-Gov: Looks like Margaret Anderson Kelliher, despite her DFL endorsement, is far from having things locked down in the Democratic primary. The United Steelworkers endorsed one of her opponents who didn't bother with the party process, ex-sen. Mark Dayton.

NV-Gov: One small tidbit from yesterday's poll by Dem pollster Fairbank Maslin, that raised a lot of eyebrows over its NV-Sen numbers, escaped our attention. They also found Rory Reid within striking distance of likely GOP nominee Brian Sandoval, 46-41. (No word on a Reid/Gibbons result.)

NC-07: Now here's one of the last places I'd expected to see an intramural cat-fud fight. After attracting some good notices from the NRCC (including addition to the "On the Radar" tier) based on respectable fundraising and Iraq vet credentials, Ilario Pantano got over the 50% mark in the GOP primary. But now his two vanquished rivals, 2008 nominee Will Breazeale and Randy Crow, are uniting to fight against Pantano in the general. This doesn't sound like a typical lame case of sour grapes: Breazeale, a vet himself, says he has a "moral obligation" to fight Pantano over his actions in Iraq. It turns out Pantano was charged with murder after shooting two Iraqis in his custody, although charges were eventually dropped. Pantano faces Dem Rep. Mike McIntyre, who's had little trouble holding this R+5 seat so far.

NY-01: With three rich guys duking it out in the GOP primary, Newt Gingrich, for some reason, waded into the fray to endorse the seemingly richest of the bunch: Randy Altschuler.

WI-07: One more prominent local Dem decided against competing in the primary to replace retiring Rep. David Obey, leaving state Sen. Julie Lassa pretty much the consensus pick. Former state Sen. Kevin Shibilski said he liked the idea of getting in, but recognized the importance of avoiding a contested primary.

West Virginia: Highly motivated voters in both parties this year? Guess again, if West Virginia's primary is any indication. Turnout in the Mountain State was actually a record low, with only 166,000 votes cast, or 14% of registered voters.

Florida: Mason-Dixon's Senate and Governor poll included a whole bunch of downballot races too, offering a mixed bag for Dems. Maybe the most noteworthy finding: Dem ex-Tallahassee mayor Scott Maddox is leading the Ag Commissioner race, 31-30. That's surprising, since the GOP fielded a top-tier opponent (in fact, several tiers above what this kind of race usually attracts) in the former of retiring Rep. Adam Putnam. In the CFO race, GOP state Senate president Jeff Atwater leads Dem ex-state Rep. Loranne Ausley, 33-26. For the AG race, they don't poll the general but look at both primaries (where undecideds rule the day). On the Dem side, state Sen. Dan Gelber (who had run for Senate for a while) leads state Sen. Dave Aronberg (who really should be running in FL-16 instead) 15-12, while on the GOP side, Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp leads Pam Bondi 13-10.

Demographics: While we're talking about Florida, Josh Goodman has some interesting number-crunching about where the growth in Florida is, and what that may mean for redistricting. The fastest-growing counties in the state seem to be the dark-red exurbs around Jacksonville (like Clay County), but that's counterbalanced somewhat by the fast growth in the Orlando area, where the growth isn't quite as fast but where there's also a Democratic trend in the electorate.

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AR-Sen - Lincoln up 46-37-6
http://www.dailykos.com/statep...

Halter is going to have to close a little more to get a runoff.  Projected out to 100% (actually 101% due to rounding), this result becomes 52-42-7.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


I also notice...
Halter doesn't seem to be getting any closer - in fact, he's lost a point on Lincoln since the last poll. Both candidates have lost ground vs. the Republicans.

Yes, Halter polls slightly better than Lincoln against the Republicans, but both lose big to Boozman. I dunno - I still gotta wonder whether this was the best use of resources for the netroots. Lincoln's bad, but better than Boozman, and to disagree with Kos it seems to me like she's still the favorite in the primary. If she's the nominee, the net effect will have been to have damaged her further against a right-winger like Boozman.

Sorry to sound cynical. I just hope Dems haven't slit their own throats here.  


[ Parent ]
The mud fight
between Halter & Lincoln is bringing both down relative to Boozman only. Note that both of their numbers actually improved (or at least stayed the same) against the other GOP candidates (one of whom will hopefully drag Boozman into a runoff).

One thing of note is that the numbers for extreme conservative and global-warming-denier D.C. Morrison are holding steady at 6-7%. He seems to have dedicated followers because they aren't dropping away and shifting over to either frontrunner as election day nears.
If his plan was that the two front runners nuke each other while he squeaks by as the survivor, well that didn't pan out.


[ Parent ]
Morrison's numbers could easily fade fast at the end......
Yeah his numbers have been consistent, but they could still disappear.  I suppose maybe he's the Mike Oliverio of AR-Sen, flanking an incumbent Dem from the right in a state where there are plenty of conservative Dems, and in that instance he could hold steady.  And PPP points out that minor candidates are outperforming in a lot of places so far in real primaries.  But all that said, I don't think we should be surprised if Morrison drops to, say, 2% on Tuesday night.  Some of his supporters could end up going with Lincoln as the conservative alternative to Halter.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
My thoughts exactly
I think it's going to be tough for Halter to force a runoff.  The trend is not all that dynamic in his favor, and Morrison cast-offs will logically go to Lincoln.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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My hope is if nothing else, the primary unites the party......
Primaries can be divisive and leave open wounds, but the flip side is they can be cathardic and bring a party together afterward.  The losing side will have had its voice, a fair opportunity to be heard, and be better able to support the winner.  If Halter loses as it appears he will, the netroots need to just buck up and get behind Lincoln.  There's no complaining they weren't given a real alternative, because they were.  We can't afford sore losers.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
The netroots will not support Lincoln
and I see no reason to send money to someone's campaign, if you consider them a thorn in your side. Besides, this is one case in which you probably might as well throw your money into a rathole, for all the good it will do.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Oh, I'm not necessarily suggesting money, I'm suggesting...
...that complaints about Lincoln subside, and the netroots genuinely root for her to win.  No, "rooting" does nothing to help her.  But it at least helps erase the storyline of a divided party.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
I think the complaints would subside some
but I think there would be less rooting than mere observation.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Suppose the silver lining
Could be it may serve to make her look less liberal but I still can't see either winning anyway.

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Actually one side benefit
Pointed out on Kos today was over her derivatives bill, which Wall Street, the White House and conservadems hate because it's too tough on Wall Street, but nothing can be done about it until her primary (and runoff) is over.

I'm sure it will be eviscerated then, but still...


[ Parent ]
I've rooted for Halter but agree on the questionable investment...
...of money and emotional energy in this one.

I suppose emotional energy is really infinite for a political junkie, so no real loss there.

I've rooted for Halter as polling consistently slightly better than Lincoln in the general, and by virtue of being unknown being able to get more of the electorate to hit "reset" in thinking about November.  Even when he trails Boozman by the same margin as Lincoln in a given poll, there are more undecideds with Halter as our nominee, leaving Halter with a little more room for growth.  I do think Lincoln is toast no matter what, as Arkansas is unique among our vulnerable seats for being a place where Obama has been despised the entire past 3 years, not just since last fall.

But no way was I going to put money into this one.  I want to beat Republicans, that's where my money goes.

And there does seem to be some arbitrariness in the netroots in singling out this or that Democratic incumbent for defeat.  Lincoln isn't that bad at all, there are several Senators worse than her for voting loyalty, and plenty of House members who are much worse.  And Lincoln is in an uncommonly bad state for us, which earns her a bigger hall pass than some others.

But alas, not all the netroots are thoughtful campaign junkies.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Halter can hope for the incumbent rule
kicking into effect, which would mean he gets more of the undecideds. (even so, he probably does need to make one final push.)

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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The other incumbent rule
is that an incumbent who is forced into a runoff always loses.

[ Parent ]
What
incumbent rule is that from? Not like GA-SEN last year...??

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
ironically, Wyche Fowler was defeated by Paul Coverdell in a runoff
but I'm assuming he meant primaries.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Seems dubious to me
If she actually ends the first round up 9%, you think she'll lose the runoff? I'd have to consider Halter a major underdog in that scenario.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
You know what's funny about that turnout number
It's only about 50K higher than the uncontested Republican presidential primary in 2008.

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


NC-07
Dunno if it has any bearing on the serious charges against Pantano, but Randy "the Returning Christ" Crow is....insane.

http://www.politics1.com/p2008...

27, Democratic, IL-01


NH-Sen: Ayotte, Binnie lead big over Hodes, Lamontague not so much
Okay, yes is Ramussen, but...
Did you look at Hodes unfavorables? Yikes!

Still would love some one from NH (or who follows politics in the state closely) to address whether the Ayotte scandal really is a scandal, and what the impact is likely to be.  


[ Parent ]
Her "Somewhat favorable"
Numbers jump out at me. If that doesn't say blank slate nothing does. Room for maneuver there.

[ Parent ]
Yes, but Hodes is the only candidate
Whose unfavorables are worse than his favorables.

Again, it is Rasmussen, although lately his polls seem more mainstream than they have in the past.  


[ Parent ]
Not saying that is anything but bad
What I'm saying is people don't have strong feelings about her so he has an opportunity to turn things around.

[ Parent ]
Rasmussen's polls haven't become "more mainstream" at all, just more of the same......
The only thing Rasmussen has in common with other pollsters is they usually show the same overall trends.  But their toplines are still more Republican-friendly than other pollsters' numbers.  You see the occasional exception like OH-Sen where they're consistent with others, but Rasmussen always has had those occasional exceptions.

I basically apply up to a 5-point discount in whatever margin Rasmussen says in its trial heat topline.  That's not scientific, it's just in the ballpark of how far off Rasmussen is......until, of course, an election gets close, at which point Rasmussen starts showing numbers that corroborate other polls.

Oh, and those favorability numbers are a reason to discount the poll, as is always the case with Rasmussen.  Voters aren't paying serious attention yet, there's been nothing negative about Hodes in the news to bring down his numbers, and Ayotte is no more well-known than Hodes.  An accurate poll would show both candidates with MUCH higher "no opinion" responses on favorability at this stage.

Underscoring my point is that this same Rasmussen poll has Obama's job approval in NH at exactly 50-50, and Lynch's job approval at 56-43.  So Hodes' favorability isn't dragged down by his party label.  Given there's been no other controversy about him in the news, it means Rasmussen's polling is bunk.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Marconi Plays The Mamba.
Listen to the radio.

[that's all I got.]


MA-Gov
That poll is the best news for Gov. Patrick we've seen in a long time. After three years of upside-down numbers, his image is improving at the right time, and he got a nice bump from how he handled a major break in a water main in the Boston suburbs last week.

Very, very smart move by the RGA to go after Cahill early and often. Patrick is probably capped at about 45-48% (at least as he stands now) and Baker's only path to victory is to to keep Cahill in the single digits. It doesn't matter if the Cahill supporters initially drift into the Patrick column, since Baker is the least known of the three and has both the time and the money to win them over to his side.  

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


Oh, my, aren't you spinning like a top! Those numbers are AWFUL for Baker!......
Patrick shoots up from 35 to 45, and it's GOOD NEWS FOR JOHN MCCAIN!...er, Charlie Baker.

Do the math, Patrick already holds the same vote share as Baker and Cahill combined.  And Patrick is up 14 on Baker, the biggest margin he's ever had.

Cahill's camp suggests their own polling corroborates this, saying Patrick has shot up 16 points since the RGA started attacking Cahill.

It wasn't crazy for the RGA to think in advance that attacking Cahill would help Baker, so I don't blame them for that.  But numbers don't lie, and the numbers are that Patrick, not Baker, is benefitting.

And if Baker is in the "45-48" range on election day, he wins, period.  Cahill is a sitting statewide elected, a proven vote-getter, it's going to be real tough for Republicans to bring him down to the 6% that Chris Daggett was reduced to--and that still might be too much the way the polling is going.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
KY-Sen from Kos/Research 2000
Daniel Mongiardo (D) 39 (47)
Jack Conway (D) 36 (31)

Rand Paul (R) 45 (40)
Trey Grayson (D) 35 (28)

Trey Grayson (R) 42
Daniel Mongiardo (D) 36

Rand Paul (R) 43
Daniel Mongiardo (D) 38

Trey Grayson (R) 43
Jack Conway (D) 35

Rand Paul (R) 42
Jack Conway (D) 39

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...

Momemtum is with Conway thank goodness. Hopefully he pulls it out.


Nice poll
But the last time I checked Grayson was most certainly not a D. :)    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Angle or Lowden?
I'm wondering which one would prove to be easier for Reid to vanquish in the general election. Lowden has proved herself to be a really bad politician in the last few weeks, but she does have the ability to self fund her own campaign and has raised decent money. Angle is truly insane and would be easy to define early as an extremist in the minds of voters. Unlike Lowden, she doesn't have the ability to self fund and hasn't raised much money.

I feel better about this race than I have in months.  


I still can't believe
that the only opposition the incredibly vulnerable Senate Majority Leader drew was those three zeroes.  It'd be charitable to call any of them C-list.

[ Parent ]
Mark Amodei
I bet he's sorry he dropped out now. He seemed best positioned to pick up establishment support after Lowden's gaffes.

[ Parent ]
Yeah
Yeah....Amodei might've gone from 1% all the way to like 5% of the primary vote. I'm not picking on you, GOPVoter, I just don't get it...everybody on SSP talked about Amodei like he was some big threat, but I never saw a poll where he got above 2% of the Republican primary vote.

I do think Dean Heller may be kicking himself for not getting in. He probably could've mopped the floor with the rabble of current candidates and would almost certainly be strong (and mainstream) enough to beat Harry Reid.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Well
If he was still in, and Lowden kept bringing up chickens, not learning that it is killing her, I could see them dumping her. The establishment seems to be uncomfortable with Tarkanian and Angle, but maybe there could be an opening for Chachas now.  

[ Parent ]
Who
are you rooting for out of all currently in the race?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Its hard
I had been for Lowden. I still kinda am until I see more polling showing that this has really hurt her for the general.  

[ Parent ]
I sort of want Chachas
just because of his name. :D

Charmin, cha-cha-chas!

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
I'm a sucker
...for cool names, too. It's one of the reasons I love Bobby Bright, despite the haterade that is often poured on him here. Also: Jay Love. Charlie Justice.  Miss Mary (Bono) Mack. Barney Frank. Sheldon Whitehouse. Linda Lingle. David Cicilline. Mark Funkhouser. Carl Mumpower. Duke Aiona. Shelley "Draculacunt" Sekula-Gibbs. Chris Christie. Myrth York. Steve Six. Heath Shuler. Krystal Ball. Crit Luallen.

State Houses are also awesome places for elected officials with cool/crazy/unfortunate names: America "Chuck" Middleton (MS), Nile Dillmore (KS), Faye Hanohano (HI), Rocky Fund (KS), Van Tran (CA), Joe Crabb (TX), Rick Hardcastle (TX), Rex Rice (SC), Credell Calhoun (MS), Shalonn Curls (MO), Paul LeVota (MO), Pete Petersen (AK), Lanny Littlejohn (SC), Chip Huggins (SC), Cathy Angerer (MI), Lou Tobacco (NY), Helio Melo (RI), Alexander Cornell du Houx (ME), Lawrence Sirosis (ME), Wright Pinkham (ME), Amos Amerson (GA), Dave Upthegrove (WA), Lake Ray (FL) and I could go on...it's kinda fun, though, to find the wackiest names in your state/region. The winner, of course, is Mississippi state Rep. America "Chuck" Middleton.

Then there are the ones where you wonder how they even got elected in the first place: Dick Swett, Dick Armey, Dick Lugar, John Boehner, Anthony Weiner.

Of course, foreigners have some doozies. Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan is awesome. Tzipi Livni of Israel, Ruben Blades of Panama. Sweden's Dag Hammarskjold. Germany's Helmut Kohl. British Labour politico Ed Balls. However, there's a Turkish politician named Ufuk Uras. Not making this up: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-...

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
I love
the mention of four Rhode Islanders. (incidentally, Cicilline's name around here is pronounced si-si-lee-nee, so when I took Italian and discovered it's supposed to be chee-chee-lee-neh, it really started to bother me...)

Ufuk Uras is great. And there are so many I hadn't even known about, like Terbolizard (R-Lizard People). There should be a Funny Names Caucus.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Angle is a Club for Growther, which generally is the mark of a terrible candidate.
She ran for NV-02 in 2006, and narrowly lost to Dean Heller; had she won the nomination, Jill Derby would probably be representing that district today.

The best hope for Dems in some of these Senate races is that the Republicans nominate the weakest candidate possible, so there's a chance of knocking some of them out in 2016.


[ Parent ]
Tough choice for us, as we don't have enough information on...
...the quality of Angle's campaign.

Ideologically, we want Angle, all the trial heats except that curious "New West" poll show Reid running closer to her than to Chicken Little or Shark Spawn.

But campaigns matter, and I'd rather run against a quasi-moderate who runs a lousy campaign, than a hard right nut who runs a good campaign.

But that's where the lack of information kicks in:  we don't know what to expect from the Angle campaign.  And as a longtime 3rd wheel in the race, no one has attacked her.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Mason-Dixon IA-Gov poll?
I saw a reference to a Mason-Dixon IA-Gov poll on a Republican blog, but it didn't include a link, and I couldn't find it on the Mason-Dixon site. Anyone see this?

SC-Gov: Palin backs Nikki Haley
Lowden laying an egg LOL


NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan

NC-07 link
Your link to the NC-07 story goes to Jon Ralston's story about Nevada, same one for the NV-Gov link.  I think the link you were looking for was this Politico story.  And wow, you got a real trio of GOP "winners" there.  Crow seems to think he's the second coming of Christ and is also a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.  Breazeale seems to have run as both a Democrat and Republican, and Pantano does have those former murder charges.  This is one of the only news accounts I could find of what happened.

Pantano was charged with a capital crime for slaying two Iraqis during a raid in 2004 and hanging a sign over their bodies with a Marine slogan, "No better friend, no worse enemy." Ultimately cleared of the charges, Pantano went on to write a book about the experience. He hopes the notoriety will help him win the Republican nomination.

....

Pantano was a Marine platoon leader six years ago when he led his men on a raid of a suspected insurgent compound in Mahmudiyah, Iraq. As his Marines approached, two Iraqi men left in a car.

Pantano stopped the car while some of his men raided the compound and uncovered weapons and propaganda, according to Associated Press accounts of the case. The two men in the car began speaking Arabic. Pantano told them to stop when they made a menacing move toward him. Pantano fired his M-16, emptying two magazines and killing both of them. Pantano then hung the sign over their bodies.

The shootings led to charges of premeditated murder and brought national attention on Pantano, one of the first service members charged with a capital crime in the Iraq War. After the military equivalent of a grand jury hearing, a Marine general decided in 2005 not to bring Pantano to trial.

....

Born to an Italian immigrant father and raised in New York's Hell's Kitchen, Pantano earned a scholarship to one of New York's most prestigious private schools.

Instead of going straight to college, he joined the Marine Corps at 17 because he wanted to serve his country. After fighting in the Gulf War of the early 1990s, he returned to New York, got an economics degree from New York University and went to work at Goldman Sachs on Wall Street. In 1998, disgusted by what he considered Wall Street greed, he left to work for a media company and then started his own business.

Pantano's life changed after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"I knew instantly we were at war. I had a single place to be. It was about getting back to the fight," Pantano said.

He tried to re-enlist that day. He went back in as an infantry officer and eventually deployed to Iraq. When one of his men mentioned the 2004 shooting to higher ups, Pantano came under investigation.

Prosecutors alleged Pantano intended to make an example of the men by shooting them 60 times and hanging a sign over their bodies. Marines who served with Pantano told a different story. They called him a good Marine who was friendly with Iraqis.

Pantano does not deny hanging the sign or shooting the men repeatedly. He says he acted in self-defense.

"I'm the guy that has stepped up and fought. I've killed terrorists. I've been at the tip of the spear," he said.

So there you have it.  In a war zone, someone makes a "menacing move" towards you, yeah, you probably shoot at them.  But shooting them 60 times and hanging that sign make it seem a bit... excessive.  But the story also notes the people in his unit stand by him.

So now that Breazeale and Crow say they're still going to fight Pantano because of what he did in Iraq, I dunno.  Could that actually help Pantano by highlighting his military experience?



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