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PA-Sen, PA-Gov: Specter and Sestak Neck and Neck

by: Crisitunity

Wed May 12, 2010 at 8:21 PM EDT


Quinnipiac (5/5-10, likely voters, 4/28-5/2 in parens):

Arlen Specter (D-inc): 44 (47)
Joe Sestak (D): 42 (39)
Undecided: 14 (14)

Dan Onorato (D): 38 (36)
Jack Wagner (D): 11 (8)
Anthony Williams (D): 10 (8)
Joe Hoeffel (D): 9 (9)
Undecided: 32 (37)
(MoE: 3.2%)

Quinnipiac is the first pollster out of many polls to find that Arlen Specter has a lead in the Democratic Senate primary (hard to believe, even a month ago, that I'd be saying those words). They've switched to a likely voter model, with May 18 fast approaching, but the main difference over the last few weeks is that Joe Sestak hit the airwaves hard, which seemed to upend this race. They also take a look at the sleepy GOP primaries, finding Tom Corbett beating Sam Rohrer 57-14 on the gubernatorial side and Pat Toomey beating Peg Luksik 60-9. (Remember when I thought that the squishy-on-abortion Toomey might face some trouble against single-issue pro-lifer Luksik, who was more of a force back in the 1990s, in the primary? Well, looks like I was wrong on that one.)

Franklin & Marshall (5/3-9, registered voters except likely voters for Dem Senate primary, 3/15-21 in parens):

Joe Sestak (D): 38 (12)
Arlen Specter (D-inc): 36 (32)
Undecided: 25 (52)
(MoE: 7.9%)

Joe Sestak (D): 28 (19)
Pat Toomey (R): 29 (27)
Undecided: 43 (49)

Arlen Specter (D-inc): 33 (29)
Pat Toomey (R): 35 (33)
Undecided: 26 (32)
(MoE: 3.3%)

Dan Onorato (D): 27 (11)
Jack Wagner (D): 5 (7)
Anthony Williams (D): 5 (4)
Joe Hoeffel (D): 4 (5)
Undecided: 57 (71)
(MoE: 4.9%)

Franklin & Marshall switches back to their choose-your-own-adventure approach, offering a choice of LV or RV numbers in the Democratic primary for the Senate. What's happening in the Dem primary mirrors what they've previously found in the general: that Specter wins among all registered voters, but loses among those actually likely to vote. Among RVs, Specter leads Sestak 38-29. (Note the huge margin of error on their Dem LV sample. The RV sample, which was the only way Governor primary numbers were reported, is down in the normal range, though.) F&M's numbers on the GOP primaries are Corbett 29, Rohrer 10, and Toomey 28, Luksik 1. (Yep, definitely not happening for Luksik this year.) They also include general election numbers, which show tightening vs. Toomey as the Dems are moving to front-of-mind thanks to their ad deluges.

Muhlenberg College for Allentown Morning Call (pdf) (5/8-11, likely voters, 5/7-10 in parentheses):

Arlen Specter (D-inc): 45 (43)
Joe Sestak (D): 45 (47)
Undecided: 9 (10)

Dan Onorato (D): 37 (33)
Anthony Williams (D): 15 (15)
Jack Wagner (D): 9 (9)
Joe Hoeffel (D): 8 (10)
Undecided: 30 (34)
(MoE: ±5%)

Finally, is there some Arlen-mentum in the daily Muhlenberg tracker? After Sestak peaking with a 5-point lead, now the duo are back to a tie today. Taking all the data together, I don't think you can call this anything but the deadest of dead heats.

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The PA Senate primary will be interesting.
It will be quite an Irony for Spectar, who feared losing the GOP primary and Jumped to the Dems, to lose to Sestak in the Dem primary and have his career end regardless.

If I lived in PA I would be voting for Sestak. Spectar didn't join the Dems for ideological reasons, it was to try to save his job, and Sestak could keep the PA Senate race close, while Spectar would almost certainly lose to Toomey.

Anyone is free to disagree with me.


I've mildly supported Specter, though I've mostly sat this one out
in terms of commenting on this either way.

I still have not decided who would be the better candidate in the general.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Was he a Republican for ideological reasons?
What's interesting is that he was very liberal for a current-day Republican but has not been close to the most conservative Democrat since he changed parties. How he would behave if he wins reelection, who can say?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Was he a Republican for ideological reasons
No, he oringally became a GOPer for political reasons, to run for DA of Philadelphia. He thought he could win running as a reformer and he succeded.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Every action of Specter's
can be summed up as "for political reasons." He started out as a Dem, switched to the GOP to give himself an electoral advantage, and switched back to the Democrats when he realized that was his most viable path to re-election. Specter is a classic political opportunist who will vote whichever way the prevailing winds blow, which is why I wouldn't be that worried about his Republican history if I were a Democrat. If he wins, he'll continue to serve as a loyal Democrat so long as he finds it electorally advantageous.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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Likely his last term.
  How can anyone predict how he would vote if reelected?

24, Male, GA-05

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He also seems to be a team player
rather than a loose cannon type.  Even when he does switch, his positions all switch accordingly.

That should tell you something as well, that assuming he doesn't switch back (and I think switching back to R is unlikely for him), he would remain a pretty loyal D.

So, basically, don't present him with a situation where he'll reasonably foresee being primaried out or something.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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I know that
I would know, the guy has been in office for as long as i've been following politics and he's my Senator, I know he's your typical opportunist but I was just stating the reason he became a Repub in the first place.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Ugh, Anthony Williams
  I am usually of fan of liberal candidates from my home city, but Williams breaks the mold.  He is a one issue candidate in favor of charter schools and funded almost entirely my millionaires in and out of state.  Anyone but him.

24, Male, GA-05

Yeah Seriously
One ad he's made that's been pissing me off is him attacking Dan Onorato on him creating the drink tax, saying how large the increase is and how reckless it is. What Williams FAILS to mention is that this is only for bars in Allegheny and the damn money goes to fund the port authority, a thing in this county that was very desperate for money and was facing alot of bus lines getting stopped if they didn't get any capital. But whatever, the guy is barely polling 10 percent and won't win, but still it's been angering me him and Corbett's ads because I hate that guy with a passion.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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does Sestak have a ground game?
Anyone know?  

Specter's will be better
Specter has the PA and Philly machine's working for him.  I'm unsure what Sestak's ground will be...

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possibly the root cause of Specter's impending primary defeat
From Greg Sargent:  Why Sestak might really pull it off
Terry Madonna, the director of the Franklin & Marshall poll, just gave me an interesting overview of the race, explaining in a nutshell why Sestak could prevail, though he cautioned that a Specter win is still a very real possibility.

Madonna's take: Dem primary voters haven't voted for Specter for decades. Why would they start now? ...

"If they hadn't agreed to vote for Specter after 29 years, why are they going to change in a month?" Madonna asks, in a reference to Specter's long career as a Republican in the Senate.



Meh.
I still think it is a tossup and honestly I think it is trending back in Specter's direction. Although anything could definitely happen in this race. I think Specter going negative is what put him in danger. Something's telling me he regrets that about right now.      

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I don't disagree
Except with: "If they hadn't agreed to vote for Specter after 29 years, why are they going to change in a month?"

First off, Specter did get some Dem votes during his time. But since it was nowhere near a majority of Dems, I think this is still a very valid point. The second, and more salient, thing I would point out is this: they've had more than one month to get used to the idea that Specter is on Team Blue. More like a year.  Which does make a difference.

However, I guess I should point out that I'm still Team Sestak on this one. Three-star admiral, people! Mostly, I don't want crazy Jim Webb being the go-to military guy in the Senate.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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Franklin & Marshall
Aren't those undecideds just a bit too huge to treat the poll as usable.  Over 40% undecided in Tooumey vs. Sestak?  

F&M
   That is always the problem with Franklin and Marshall polls - the huge number of undecideds.  Maybe they don't push leaners hard enough?  They have had this problem for a long time, you would think they would learn...

24, Male, GA-05

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Sestak-Conway-Halter
Oh, please, please, please let it be next Tuesday - what a big difference that we be over the other three candidates

I think out of those three
Sestak and Conway can eak it out, I don't have much faith in Bill Halter, which is a shame because I gave money to the man and I generally like him. Shame if he loses to a pol like Blanche Lincoln, real shame.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Halter still has time
Arkansas probably won't be settled next Tuesday, thanks to Teaper "Democrat" D.C. Morrison. I think Halter will finish second in the first round, but will catch up in time for the runoff.

27, Democratic, IL-01

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If memory serves, PA has no early voting except if you'll be out of state on Election Day
If true, momentum will be even more important than in, for example, North Carolina or California.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



That is correct.
   Very strict absentee ballot rules.

24, Male, GA-05

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GO JOE GO
i am starting to think that this dream may actually come true; GO JOE GO.......

Caps lock at 3 a.m.?
Time to bite the bullet and go to the next meeting of your local chapter of capaholics anonymous.  You clearly cannot live without your caps lock fix!

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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I wanna say something
Disclaimer: I do mildly support Specter.

Now, I don't mind people supporting Sestak, but what's with all the badmouthing of Specter?

Especially in the case of SenateGuru, I'd rather he not endorsed either.  I'm somewhat peeved that he endorsed Sestak and badmouthed Specter like various others in the netroots.

I haven't found a similar level of bashing Sestak from Specter supporters.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


I just think the pro-Sestak people
outnumber the pro-Specter people on the liberal interwebs.  I suspect you would find the same frustration anywhere.  I personally respect Specter but prefer Sestak.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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It Just Bugs Me: supporting one candidate = badmouthing the other
for many people at least.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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don't worry
Specter is doing a great job personally attacking Sestak for all his supporters.  

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And I'd rather he not do that either.
There are times and places for flaming the opposition, but this primary wasn't one of them IMO.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Why?
Here are some reasons:

Anita Hill

The Magic Bullet

Switched from Democrat to Republican in 1965, and then switched back 44 years later.

He's using the Democratic party to save his political ass.

He is unprincipled and only believes in one thing:  Arlen Specter.

He will lose to Toomey.


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That last one is a bit ridiculous
Putting aside the fact that reasonable people can disagree over electability, is Specter's supposed future loss to Toomey a reason to attack him personally?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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while sestak is measuring the curtains
he may find that more than one candidate can run negative ads.  the logic that a majority of late-deciders support the challenger is fair, but it's possible that we are right now seeing the effect of a barrage of negative advertising by sestak.  the strategy for the incumbent in these situations is to shake people's faith in the challenger and there is still time and money to do it.

I don't think Sestak coasting.
I seriously doubt Sestak is taking this race for granted given that he was down by 20% and has the whole Obama (OFA) and Rendell machine for Specter. Sestak is out there meeting people almost everyday and running ads. He has a new one out where he compares his ratings on core Democratic issues vs. Specter by some interest groups. The switch ad is Sestak's argument why voters should not vote for Specter. The ratings ad on Democratic issues is the final ad that asks voters to vote for Sestak.  

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Looks like Nate's arguing for Sestak
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

At least that's the way I interpret this excerpt:

Specter is not going to win very many votes among Republicans, the party which he deserted last year. Independents view him negatively: 30-58, in the Quinnipiac poll. The only way he's going to win (and it's a necessary rather than sufficient condition) is with monstrous, enthusiastic Democratic support.

So if that support is there, let's see it. Let's see him beat Joe Sestak, who is not an overwhelmingly brilliant candidate. Let's see if he can clear that hurdle. Democrats have benefited from his flip-flops -- in a clear and tangible way. If they're not going to get his back, then who do you think will?



He goesn't get why the WH is for Specter
Obama keeps his promises. Simple.

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Why they're supporting Specter is clear.
They need his vote day to day on the Hill; it's counterproductive to give him any annoyance.  They aren't really going out of their way to help him much either, beyond the usual incumbent support stuff that everybody gets (again, in order to keep voting senators happy).

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