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UPDATE: On the We Ask America Illinois Polls

by: spiderdem

Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 2:47 PM EDT


So a new pollster, We Ask America, has been running some gaudy numbers for Republican candidates and issues.  They released a slew of Illinois House polls with the following results:

IL-08 - Walsh (R) 38, Bean (D) 38
IL-10 - Seals (D) 40, Dold (R) 37
IL-11 - Kinzinger (R) 42, Halvorson (D) 30
IL-14 - Hultgren (R) 38, Foster (D) 36
IL-17 - Hare (D) 39, Schilling (R) 32

So here's the rub.  We Ask America has Obama approval at 47-50 ... IN ILLINOIS!!!

http://weaskamerica.com/2010/0...

Rasmussen had Obama approval in Illinois at 56-44 on March 10, just one day before We Ask America's 47-50 finding.  The pollster.com average NATIONWIDE is 48-48.  Illinois was 20 points more Democratic than the nation as a whole in 2008, so if we crudely extrapolate that, we get 58-38 Obama approval in Illinois.

But let's take Rasmussen's 56-44 approval rating, which is 15 POINTS better than We Ask America's 47-50 in Illinois, and (again crudely) reconfigure the We Ask America polls:

IL-08 - Bean (D) 46, Walsh (R) 31
IL-10 - Seals (D) 48, Dold (R) 30
IL-11 - Halvorson (D) 38, Kinzinger (R) 35
IL-14 - Foster (D) 44, Hultgren (R) 31
IL-17 - Hare (D) 47, Schilling (R) 25

Seems more realistic to me given the probable differences in name recognition.  IL-11 is a close race, and the others are competitive - incumbents (and Seals who has run twice before) below 50%, with the challengers needing to play catchup in the name recongition department.

Kinzinger is an impressive candidate, and it would not surprise me if he is polling close with Halvorson.  But up 12?  Halvorson won an open seat by 20+% in 2008 and has represented a largely overlapping State Senate district for years.

If you look on the We Ask America website, they are also running some daunting healthcare numbers for members who voted yes, with roughly 60% or more of people in swing districts being more likely to vote against the incumbent for the "yes" vote.  I would love to know We Ask America's Obama approval numbers in those districts.

I am not writing to disparage We Ask America.  I know nothing about them.  I have expressed my concerns about Rasmussen before, but I am even more concerned about new pollsters coming out of the woodwork and creating favorable narratives for one party.  I am reminded of the gaudy numbers for Scott Brown from Pajamas Media and Merriman River Group during his election, not to necessarily disparage either of those outfits either.  I just cannot remember this phenomenon happening in previous cycles.  In previous cycles, we seemed to get fairly consistent and credible polling information from a narrow group of seemingly reliable pollsters.

Something feels wrong here.  Certainly, polling seems very different and more partisan than it ever has before.  I hope that people with more expertise and bigger soapboxes than me will continue to vet these pollsters carefully and call them out if something is amiss.  

What I do know is that Obama at 47-50 approval in Illinois is embarrassingly inconsistent with all of the other information out there.  It would probably put Obama's nationwide approval into the 30's.  Things are tough for the Democrats, but they're not that tough.

UPDATE: So I did some research on the identity of We Ask America.  Its website only discloses that it is a division of "Xpress Professional Services, Inc."  But it does not tell the reader what exactly that means, which turns out to be quite significant.

Xpress Professional Services, Inc. is a subsidiary of the Illinois Manufacturer's Association, which is an anti-union, anti-tax, and anti-Health Care Reform industry advocacy organization.  

Its CEO is Greg Baise, who was a 1990 Republican candidate for Treasurer, losing to Pat Quinn by 11%.  He is also Treasurer of the Economic Freedom Alliance, which has targeted Democrat Bill Foster with advertising labeling him as a "job killer" for his support of card check legislation.

Its COO is Gregg Durham, a former spokesman for the Illinois Republican House Caucus and Republican State Treasurer Judy Baar Topinka.  

The bottom line is that this is a partisan Republican pollster and an arm of the pro-business Illinois Manufacturer's Association.  There is nothing wrong with being a Republican pollster or being an arm of the Illinois Manufacturer's Association.  However, there is something wrong with the half-ass disclosure on the website of an affiliation with "Xpress Professional Services, Inc.," which could be anything, instead of a full disclosure of the direct link to the Illinois Manufacturer's Association and its Republican principals.

Here are two local Illinois news articles on We Ask America's ties:

http://www.sj-r.com/opinions/x...

http://www.suburbanchicagonews...

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Nice work spider
As I keep saying there is also a clue in the huge number of undecideds in these polls and other GOP internals. Remember the pollsters that had Doug Hoffman with massive leads in NY-23? Siena never found anything of the sort before or after Scozzafava dropped out. There are other examples.

Good work, spiderdem. But I think a more salient conclusion is...
...it's really hard to poll House races, and especially in an open seat race in a swing seat like IL-10, a lot of voters are genuinely undecided.  I wouldn't "reconfigure" WAA's numbers to come out with a 48-30 Seals lead, because I don't think that's realistic......indeed, the 40-37 Seals lead is the only WAA IL U.S. House poll I viewed as likely realistic.

I don't fear for our IL incumbents for the most part, even though an upset loss for someone is possible if the bottom drops out on the national environment which I think is very unlikely given that health care reform passed and is in the rear view mirror, and nothing else will get major attention from Congress before the election that's not truly popular.  There will be a pro-Obama cushion in the state for sure.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Yeah
of the five, Seals up 48-30 is inconsistent with the conventional wisdom.  But the others line up pretty well with the CW after my silly adjustment.  

I hope you're right that it's just that House races are hard to poll, but I have a feeling that this pollster is Rasmussen on steroids in light of Obama at -3 approval in Illinois.  Time will tell...

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


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The bad poll on Obama approval is, indeed, telling......
Obama is very popular in Illinois, period.  Any pollster that says otherwise is a bad pollster, whose results on other Illinois questions cannot be trusted.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Worth noting
that Debbie Halvorson's opponents all have a lot of zing: Marty Ozinga, and now Adam Kinzinger.

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Didn't Phil Hare
face a "zing" person in 2006?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Andrea Zinga
What a great memory you have.  The zingers are taking over, and they're all Republicans.  They're like the lizard people, but worse.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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Lol thanks
Illinois is the home of zinging, dude. I live in Chicago and I always see those Ozinga cement trucks all over the place (half of Chicago is under construction at any given time, ugh). Even after he lost in 2008 there's just no getting away from him! :(

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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The Zingers are coming! The Zingers are coming!
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This is Illinois, paging Donkey Kong...


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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I'm not buying the IL-11 numbers
Kinzinger released an internal poll showing him up 44-38 after the healthcare vote.

Hard to believe
given Halvorson's 2008 run, and she's been in the Senate for a while and was Majority Leader.

On the other hand, Kinzinger has a pretty compelling backstory.  He is a National Guard pilot who served in Aghanistan in Iraq.  He also pulled a Tom Barrett and successfully attacked a knife-wielding criminal after the criminal had stabbed a woman in Milwaukee.  People in Milwaukee apparently have giant cojones.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


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Too many undecideds in that poll too
AKA Democrats.

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Thanks!!!
I've been wondering about We ask America for a long time. Who funds them, any sign of political leanings.  I have not heard of them before this cycle.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

I agree spiderdem

Some days before the poll for Illinois this "pollster" publish a poll for PA-12 with +4% for Critz over the republican.

The alone conclusion what I take from his results is what PA-12 and IL-10 look good for democrats.


I thought
some other pollster came out with similar results in PA-12.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Yes
but that was done by a Republican pollster that admits it is a Republican pollster - Susquehanna.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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Quelle surprise
Not. Great news for Critz and Seals.

In reference to the update


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Yes
I got your gist.  These guys are pathetic.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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Really good update

Republicans are working very hard the battle of polls. I hope see more active the not republican pollsters.

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PPP are doing a sterling job
Gold standard for me so far.

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PPP is much better than republican pollster

Sometimes i get unhappy with PPP numbers. I feel they are against the HCR and sometimes they makes opposition in their comments and with some results like the results for OH-Gov or WI-Gov. If you give me permission I would compare PPP with a Blue Dog democratic pollster.

PS: For me a blue dog is better than the very big majority of republicans. I think not as a blue dog, but I hate not blue dogs.


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