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House Healthcare Vote

by: DavidNYC

Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 10:52 PM EDT


The House just voted to pass the healthcare bill that the Senate passed in December, 219-212. When the House voted on its own healthcare bill in November, 39 Democrats voted "no." On this bill, 34 Dems voted no. We'll bring you the roll call as soon as we have it.

UPDATE: Roll call on Senate bill here.

Of the 39 original "no" votes, 29 voted "no" a second time (note that one of those original "nos," Eric Massa, is no longer in Congress, and another, Parker Griffith, switched parties):

District Incumbent Obama %age Kerry %age
AL-02 Bobby Bright 36 33
AL-07 Artur Davis 72 64
AR-04 Mike Ross 39 48
GA-08 Jim Marshall 43 39
GA-12 John Barrow 54 49
ID-01 Walter Minnick 36 30
KY-06 Ben Chandler 43 41
LA-03 Charlie Melancon 37 41
MD-01 Frank Kratovil 40 36
MN-07 Collin Peterson 47 43
MO-04 Ike Skelton 38 35
MS-01 Travis Childers 38 37
MS-04 Gene Taylor 32 31
NC-07 Mike McIntyre 47 44
NC-08 Larry Kissell 53 45
NC-11 Heath Shuler 47 43
NJ-03 John Adler 52 49
NM-02 Harry Teague 49 41
NY-13 Mike McMahon 49 45
OK-02 Dan Boren 34 41
PA-04 Jason Altmire 44 45
PA-17 Tim Holden 48 42
SD-AL Stephanie Herseth Sandlin 45 38
TN-04 Lincoln Davis 34 41
TN-08 John Tanner 43 47
TX-17 Chet Edwards 32 30
UT-02 Jim Matheson 39 31
VA-02 Glenn Nye 51 42
VA-09 Rick Boucher 40 39

On the flipside, 8 Dems who voted "no" the first time switched to "yes" this time:

District Incumbent Obama %age Kerry %age
CO-04 Betsy Markey 49 41
FL-02 Allen Boyd 45 46
FL-24 Suzanne Kosmas 49 45
NY-20 Scott Murphy 51 46
OH-10 Dennis Kucinich 59 58
OH-16 John Boccieri 48 46
TN-06 Bart Gordon 37 40
WA-03 Brian Baird 52 48

And five Democrats who had voted "yes" the first time switched to "no" this time:

District Incumbent Obama %age Kerry %age
AR-01 Marion Berry 38 47
IL-03 Dan Lipinski 64 59
MA-09 Stephen Lynch 60 63
NY-24 Mike Arcuri 51 47
OH-18 Zack Space 45 43

GOP Rep. Joe Cao (LA-02) also voted "yes" last time but switched to "no" this time.

UPDATE: The roll call for the Republican motion to recommit the reconciliation bill is available. Dems voting with the GOP:

Altmire, Barrow, Berry, Boren, Bright, Chandler, Childers, Costello, Davis(TN), Donnelly, Holden, Lipinski, Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, Melancon, Peterson, Ross, Shuler, Skelton, Taylor

On the reconciliation bill itself, two Dems voted "yes" who had voted "no" on the Senate bill, Lynch and Lipinski. On the flipside, Jim Cooper (TN-05) had voted "yes" on the Senate bill but voted "no" on the reconciliation bill.
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Did the deal take the wind out of the sails of Stupak's primary challenger?
She was going to have an uphill climb anyway but I can't help but think Stupak, as dickish as he was, voting for the bill in the end took enough of the anger off him to get him renominated easily enough.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


I
heard that he planned to vote for it all along.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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He was in doubt until today
Besides the Stupak amendment, which pissed off enough liberals, has been replaced by something far less atrocious.  I think the anger at him will still linger but it won't be enough to get him to lose.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Have to think being called a baby killer is going to get Stupak some sympathy from Dems
Damn.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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That, and he really ripped the hell out of the motion to recommit.
Maybe it's an overblown comparison, but Stupak's speech made me think of Hillary Clinton's move to suspend the nomination roll call at the 2008 DNC. Very dramatic, even if it was expected.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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I really enjoyed that too. N/T

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Smart Plan
It was smart for Stupak. The bill passes but now he's famous, seen as a moderate or conservative (which means Repbulicans like him more) and he's not a back bencher. I think he's either going to jump in the Governor's race in Michigan (doubtful) or is getting ready to replace Levin soon. And he got all this without giving up much, the bill passed and Democrat's don't hate him as much since he voted for it.

I think this was his plan all along.

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Shoot i'm pro-choice
And I don't hate Stupak, i'm not happy it's in the bill but i'm not that angry because abortion wasn't on the top of my list on HCR. Plus Stupak strongly supported HCR on House floor after he got what he wanted,he was real strong when he rebuffed the GOP's claims in the motion to recommit that women can still get abortion in this bill despite all the boos and jeers he got from GOPers on the floor Also he got us the votes i'm happy with him on that. It's too late to run for Governor but I can see a future for him in MI politics now that everyone knows who he is instead of that backbencher from the UP.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Same feeling
I have respect for Stupak. Granted if he would have followed through with his threats, I would feel different. I think all of his threats were just talk, I honestly think he wanted to vote for this all along. I think this helps him explain his vote, and it helps many dems from pro-life districts explain there vote as well. He acted like a real class act after the bill passed. He made us look really good. My father is a pro-life dem concerned with abortion funding in the bill, but when he heard Stupak he seemed happy enough. I would love to see Stupak run for state wide office later on.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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This guy continually threatened to sink HCR,
lied about the law and what his amendment did, and was just an all-around asshole during this entire process. His eventual vote in favor will probably help him keep his congressional seat, but if he's interested in seeking higher office this was an idiotic move.
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No he wasn't
He's pro-life and wanted to make sure the Hyde Admendment was in the HCR bill and in the process he supported the HCR bill and brought around alot of wavering pro-life Democrats. To you it was stupid, to me it was smart.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Some
will say that this will hurt us politically. I will just say this; I would volunteer for Baron Hill and Brad Ellsworth no matter how they voted. However since they voted for HCR I plan on working extra hard for them. As Barack Obama would say I'M FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a non political note I have to say that Teddy would be proud. Way to go team blue!!!!!!!


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

the roll call is up.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...

no real surprises.  

Cao
can kiss his seat goodbye!

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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So can 30+ Democrat incumbents
n/t
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Not the place for Republican cheerleading
Go somewhere else if you want to crap on this.
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Yeah Seriously
This ain't RedState man.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I think he means the 34 Dems that voted nay. nt


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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)
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Sure about that?
He probally meant the ones that voted yes.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I'd be happy if any Democrat lost their seat
Also, I fail to see how that comment was 'cheerleading', unless you define that as anything said by someone who isn't a far-left Democrat. It was a perfectly innocuous statement- many Democrats are going to lose their seats in the House in 2010 because of this vote.
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Blanket predictions
Which present opinions as statements of fact, particularly without supporting evidence, are not especially helpful or welcome.
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I suppose you feel that same way about HoosierDem's comment then
n/t
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Can you not see the difference?

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The only difference is that he was talking about a Republican and I was talking about a Democrat
n/t
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This isn't going to be fruitful
I suggest you move on.
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Doh!
You know very well this is a Democratic site. Hence the difference.
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Move on (eom)

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Why? Hoosier Dem didn't say anything wrong.


22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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He means the reference to Cao being toast

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Not really
As you know, there is a deliberate double-standard here. This is a Democratic site, and we tolerate stuff from Democrats that we don't permit from the other side. It's how we maintain a functioning community. So that is to say, there's a disruptiveness factor at work as well. HD's comment may not have been the most insightful or best-supported ever, but it also isn't going to be disruptive. Yours, regrettably, was.
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I
feel I must apologize, if I would've known my little comment would have caused all of this I would not have posted it. Sorry!  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Look
I'm sure both of us are EXTREMELY pissed and disappointing, etc right now. So, at this time, I think its probably best if we don't comment here. I came here with no intention of commenting tonight. Not the best time when everyone is emotional and we are the only 2 people that were against this.  
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This is sage advice
I'm sure if our roles were reversed, I'd be feeling the same way.
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Ditto. nt


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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)
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It was cheerleading
Because you are happy at the 200 some Dems that voted for the bill and want them to lose, that's cheerleading and not welcomed by Republicans on here. And FYI by voting yes won't cost them teir seats but help them. Lighten up on your responses.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I've asked people to de-escalate
Now it's time to move on.
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Will do

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Thank you (eom)

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what's wrong
with real debate? it's no good if it's one sided

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)
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This isn't the place to have a real debate
That for Kos and even OpenLeft. It's one sided because it's a blog for basically one party; The Democrats and the bulk of the readers are either Democrats or Indy Liberals. I don't need to debate a GOPer on a liberal blog.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Not getting it!
You really don't get it do you?

DBB debate here is promoted, blanket predictions aren't debate. Saying Congressman X is out isn't helpful or useful. Saying wow Congressman X is going to be in a tough spot this fall is debatable. The difference may look small but it's the difference between a useless forum (WashPo, Politico) and this one where information is spread quickly and accurately. If you can't distinguish the difference maybe Swing State isn't the place for you.

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Hey buddy
I've been here either as a reader or a member for two years, got it? I know what SSP is about. What I meant debates with Republicans isn't the thing we do around here. This is a liberal blog where liberals discuss elections. Debates are fine when they don't go into a flame war. I know what this place is about and the rules and it's because of that is why i've been here since 2008.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Guys
This conversation is over.
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Debate
The kind of debate that is not encouraged or permitted here is debates about the merits of policy. In that sense, no, we don't want SSP to be a forum for hashing out policy debates with Republicans (or with anyone, for that matter).

SSP is about elections, not policy; and if we do discuss policy, we place emphasis on the electoral consequences of that policy. Whenever one posts a comment, we all should look at it and ask: Am I veering too far away from what this site is about?

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That's exactly what I was getting at
Thanks for clearing that up James.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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And I hope that no-one will argue
that it's not OK for Republicans to make substantive arguments about how particular votes affect particular races, if they provide specific, arguable inferences or conclusions, based on data.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
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Try the other way around
Aside from the Stupak i'm very very happy this has passed and the usual no Dems made up the 34 but one guy voted yes i'm very suprised of: Dennis Kucinich.

But i'm glad this passed so I can stop hearing the lies and bullshit of the GOP like I have for the past nine hours.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Kosinich
I suspect the Democrats in Ohio would be unhappy with Mr. Kosinich if he had been identified as the critical vote that put the Health Bill in flames.

Joe Cooper
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Piss in our house?
Piss off!
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Not really helpful
Guys, InRepublican's comment wasn't helpful, but the responses need to de-escalate, not escalate. Okay?
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Fair enough
Sorry. But it has been happening more and more. Just sayin'.
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This ain't the place
To post inflammatory statements like that without evidence.
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I think come November it'll matter less than people think.
The taxes won't taken affect for a long while and may never do so.  There isn't anything THAT radical that will change much.  Even stuff like banning pre-existing conditions will depend on enforcement and the creativity of the insurance industry.

There are a few things good in it.  And a few that I disagree with.  But come November few people will find anything all that different from how it was before.  And it'll only be the partisans who will still be riled up over it.

On the other hand if the Democrats lost the vote it would've given serious momentum to the Republicans and made it almost impossible for the Democrats to pass anything.

The Democrats may lose seats and may lose not only the House but possibly the Senate.  But passing this bill won't be what brought that to pass.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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I disagree completely
Regardless it would hurt the Dems much more if it failed than pass because they took 17 months to complete it and people seeing reform will make them happy than angry and the people will see alot of good that reform will happen than it not happening. We will lose seats because the environment but we won't lose both chambers of the Congress because of this. No your completely wrong on this.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Actually that is more or less what I said.
The big downside was in NOT passing it.  Negative feelings towards those who voted to pass it will diminish to only those who already have a partisan gripe because few will see anything about how they handle their health care or the taxes they pay actually change.  Which makes accusations that it will cause a healthcare armageddon seem ridiculous.  Since by November it will be clear none of those predictions is coming to pass.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...
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"The big downside was in NOT passing it"
Oh, why did you just say that. Then if that's the case, I agree completely with what you said. By having this finally passing an armageddon won't happen and the only ones that will be pissed are the ones that never wanted to see HCR happen. Thanks a bunch for clearing that up Taget.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Yeah, the ones who voted "no" tonight......
Go ahead and "celebrate," you're still going to be a minority in January 2011.  But maybe you can crawl back to 200 seats, at least that's realistic.  Of course it's as bad as it ever got for Democrats when you were in power, so you're still climbing mightily just to reach what was our nadir.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10
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Question
Are you refering to the 34 Dems that voted no or the entire GOP caucus that voted no. Kind of a stupid question but wanted to ask.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Jeez
I didn't mean to upset people with my comment. I can expand on my thoughts more in a diary. But it's a simple statement of the dark underbelly of this vote. It's going to cost a lot of Democrats their seats. For instance, a poll was done in John Boccieri's district earlier this week that showed overwhelming opposition to the bill.

I don't know how you can argue with a straight face that this bill isn't a huge liability for Democrat incumbents in conservative districts like that.

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Fair enough
But did it really need you to spell it out? Nope. I'm amazed you are amazed.
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Spare us your diary about this
It's not going to cost alot of Dems because people will get angry at the Dems who voted no because the people wanted HCR. Tom Perriello voted for allot of liberal bills and is still neck and neck with Robert Hurt. John Boccieri will be fine as well, if it was a internal poll your offering as evidence don't bother, they should be taken as a grain of salt.

This will help them, not hurt them because people will  be more pissed if HCR died than passed. But most red state Dems voted no anyways so there fine. Your wrong on this.

And if you didn't mean to offend anyone you should of said anything.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Like I said
Time to move on.

And InRepublican, if you want to post a diary on this, you are free to do so.

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Will do David
Said what I had to say on the matter.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Thank you (eom)

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Health bill
I think one main consequence of not passing a health bill would be to discourage many Democratic voters from voting this year, and encourage Repugnican voters.

Joe Cooper
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It very well might be
But, my Hoosier friend, there's a difference between "one of us" pointing that out in a discussion, and what seemed like you sort-of "popping off."  It's been a long, hard, partisan road to tonight, with many Democrats (myself included) seeing this as the most important thing facing this Congress and this Administration.  

I think you're sincerely well liked around here, and have gained a bit of leeway that newer Republican posters would not be given (and certainly more leeway than anyone who does not follow the right-wing line on RedState is given -- that amount of leeway would be exactly zero!).  Just please don't blow it -- I like having you here!

And one other note about the politics of this.  While you're right that there may be a political price to pay for some, that can cut both ways -- tonight, Brad Ellsworth just earned himself a little bit of money and a few hours of volunteer work from me!

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This is a very good comment
Thank you for cutting to the heart of a subtle and not always simple issue.
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DemocratIC
Get it right.
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Thank You
One thing that grips me is when GOPers say our name wrong to deliberatly be snarky

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I would like to see InRepublican's diary on the topic
assuming it includes polling facts and data, preferably by district (at least by state). While I believe that HCR helps Ds as a whole, I can see exceptions.

It is important to know where the exceptions are. There are always a few surprise defeats in off-year elections - and I can see HCR being blamed for some of them this time.

Furthermore, if we know -- credible -- data ahead of time, appropriate parties are more likely to do something about it.

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Something not being mentioned
The number one issue for voters is still the economy. So what happens when all these Republicans do on the campaign trail is talk about health care? Surely there is at least the possibility they find themselves in a similar situation to that Dems have found themselves in this past year. Especially if the monthly jobs reports finally start to show consistent positive numbers.

Still, I happen to agree with InRepublican that lots of the affirmative votes will hurt certain Dems but I disagree that there will be some sort of clear pattern where it means certain defeat. I suspect some who voted for it will lose but I also think some who voted against it will lose as well.

Incidentally, I apologize again for my rudeness last night.

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I worked hard to get Cao's vote for HRC this time
Guess I'll need to work harder to get him replaced.

Seriously, the only way I see him winning is if a Democrat runs an independent bid. There has been talk of State Senator Edwin Murray running as an indy: doubt it will be close to enough but that's the way Cao can win.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Cao probally voted no
Because no matter what he voted he would of gotten defeated. He got in via a fluke and the district is way too blue for him to hold on to. The man was probally voting his considence.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Cao knew this, but I think he at least hopes to get reelected
Cao has been pretty active in the district with health fairs and constituent emails: he strikes me as someone who is trying to work hard to get reelected.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Too bad it won't happen
Unless another hurricanes happens that changes the days people vote and LA and someone as corrupt as Dollar Bill Jefferson is the nominee.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I think Cao is torn whether to try to win again......
His behavior reveals a man who's internally conflicted.  He acts like he has moments he KNOWS (correctly) he's toast, and moments he thinks he might just be able to win......and then moments when he's not sure, and so not sure what to do.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10
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I guess it can't be easy to be a deadman walking politically
There probably will be moments for anyone in this position where you think that somehow you can pull it off.  Look at how long David Paterson put off retiring despite atrocious numbers, or Tim Mahoney's decision to continue a hopeless bid for reelection after his scandals were revealed.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Cao
i think that Rep. Cao's objection to the health bill was principled: he honestly felt that the bill did not do enough to prohibit abortion, which apparently is a major factor in his beliefs.

Joe Cooper
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I wonder what would have happened to Cao's fundraising
if he had voted yes.

If it were R-based, I suspect it would have dried up.

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Yes we can!
The Democratic Party: Moving America forward! Let's hope Harry Reid and Dick Durbin can shepard the Reconciliation bill through the senate quickly.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
This
is one of those days where Im proud to be a Democrat. I actually played STevie WOnder's Signed Sealed Delivered song when the vote reached 216 and I then did a little happy dance.  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  
CNN
reports someone yelled out baby killer to Stupact??? How did I miss that???

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  
I saw some sort of dust up
Didn't know that was what happened.  I was hoping for some fireworks.

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I think someone said that
Hard to tell when there were alot of yelling and screaming during Boner's, Pelso's and Stupak's speeches. Like listening to a circus.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Teh crazy
The crazy is out in force with the tea partiers. Barney Frank got called the f-word, one of the Latino caucus members got called a 'wetback' (Gutierrez, I think) and I don't even want to know what they were screaming at Nancy Pelosi.

But seriously, you guys, the tea partiers aren't racist, homophobic misogynists. They're patriotic.

/sarcasm

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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I can't believe:
Rick Boucher voted no.
He voted no last time
Not happy at all but at least he's consistent.  Unlike Acuri he won't be labeled a flip-flopper.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Arcuri, obviously
What other vulnerable Dems flipped Yes-No?

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Jason Altmire and Marion Berry come to mind
But Jason had a good excuse, he was listening to his constitutents. You know the ones that made $75k or more that comprise of PA-4. Freaking Hack.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Forgot Altmire. But Berry's retiring
Maybe he may run for something in the future but for now he's safe from voter wrath.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Wait, Altmire voted no both times.


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Oh sorry, thought he voted for it
My bad. But Berry flipped and Arcuri snd Artur Davis although not a flip flopper, is still a hack.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Space too
Davis is pretty bad.  Don't like Sparkman too much after his little "will he or won't he" when it came to running in AL-5 last year.  Sigh.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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berry
is almost 70...he's gonna stay retired

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)
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Then helping his CoS is probably the reason
I should really look up the ages of retirees.  I made a similar mistake a few weeks ago when I suggested the Richard Ravitch, the 77 year old Lt. Gov of New York had a political future.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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None
Lynch (MA) flipped Yes to No. No idea why, but I heard rumors he wants to take on Scott Brown in 2012.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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He won't beat Brown
by opposing a flexible, moderate Republican by being a weak Democrat. Why would someone want him as the alternative to Brown?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
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I know I WOULDN'T
Only difference between him and Brown is the centerfold as far as i'm concerned.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Guys
Just read the post. I listed all the switches.
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I don't think it was up when I asked the question
Mostly pleased it was limited to just Arcuri and Space.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


[ Parent ]
Fair enough
Though I tried to post as quick as I could, and nicely formatted, too! :)
[ Parent ]
Trust me, I'm going to be using those tables a lot in the coming days!


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Arcuri wins award for biggest political moron......
It's apparent between his inexplicably narrow escape in 2008 and his schizophrenic behavior on health care this time around that he has no political sense at all.  On paper he didn't look like an "accidental" Congressman at all when he won in 2006, that title most rightly seemed to belong to Carol Shea-Porter or, to some (though incorrectly I think), Dave Loebsack.  But Arcuri is proving to be a guy who really stumbled into victory in the first place and has no idea really how to win.

Someone smarter than he's listening to up to now needed to counsel him that having vote "yes" the first time, he HAD to vote yes again, especially needing the WFP line in his NY district.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
I think people respect
consistency even if they will disagree with the vote. Maybe they will respect you as they vote against you but I think it would have been better if he had voted against it in the first place if that is how he truly felt. Maybe he can argue that he is following the wishes of his district. Who knows. It was a tough vote caused by having to vote on this twice. Who knows if the Senate will follow through. I think it was bad planning to have to vote on this twice personally.  
[ Parent ]
gomer, there were always going to be two votes......
The standard procedure is each chamber votes on its own bill, then they have to both vote on the same conference bill.  This time Scott Brown's win threw a monkey wrench into that, but under no circumstances was the House going to escape a 2nd vote.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10
[ Parent ]
I see that
Stupid Alabama Democrat Syndrome is now Stupid New York Democrat Syndrome.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
[ Parent ]
Arcuri
I am inclined to think that the R's will take both CD24 and CD29 in New York in December. CD29 might go to them at the special election.  That will give NY two R disticts to merge in western NY, collapsing the most Republican portions into CD26

Joe Cooper
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He voted against it the first time around.

[ Parent ]
Lynch flipped because
Lynch flipped because he wasn't happy and pulled a Kucinich. He said the current bill does not do enough to force insurance companies to reduce costs. Don' worry Lynch just forced one of the blue dogs in a tough district to flip flop i.e. Markey, Kosmos, Murphy, etc.  
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He can't pulled a Kucinich
When Kucinich voted for the bill, odd isn't it?

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Yeah
And cost a seat perhaps so primary him and cost him his. Fairs fair. Lipinski too in 2012.
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Boucher
I think he wanted to vote for it, but felt that politically he could not and he does represent a tough district, so I understand his logic.
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I'm proud of California.
All 34 of our Dems, including the 7 Blue Dogs, voted aye.

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You need
to move out of Texas if you can in the near future. I hear it's going to be ground zero when the rapture Conservatives have been praying for comes. Just stay out of the San Francisco Bay Area, living here is really expensive.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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I'd LOVE to come home!
Which I am working on. In the "near future", namely this summer, I am first going to return to Arizona (lived there 1994-5), work on an MBA, and then come home to SoCal in time for the 2012 elections! I can't wait!!!

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And
I am proud that all 5 Arizona Dems voted aye. Ditto all 8 Dems from Michigan, which along with Minnesota is one of my favorite Midwestern states.

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Ohio would've followed suit
Had it not been for Space changing his mind.  Kucinich and Boccieri got it right this time around, so the NE part of the state went 5/5.  Space represents a tough district so I see his motivation for not voting for it, but it's still a shame to see him flip-flop.  


23, Male, Democrat, OH-13
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Space
He represents a Republican leaning district, so I understand why he thought he couldn't stick his neck out again. He's the only flip to No, I will give a pass to.
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I think he hurt himself though
Lack of consistency. Now he gets attacked for voting for it before and being a flip-flopper out of political expediency now. Same wih Arcuri.
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You know what I got to say
It's their problem, not ours. They made their beds by flip-flopping now they must lie in it.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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conspiracy is right, House yes-to-no flippers are screwed......
You voted "yes" on the House bill, you HAD to vote yes tonight.  Your first vote is hung around your neck, you don't win anyone back with a later "no" UNLESS the bill failed.  Now it's passed anyway, and all you've done is piss off the Democrats you need.

Those yes-to-no flippers just should've refused to say how they're voting, and once it became clear the bill would pass without them, they then should have voted "yes."

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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I still hate Artur Davis.
  Such a weasel.  

 Otherwise...VICTORY!

24, Male, GA-05

Motion to recommit
I want to see what asshole Dems voted for the MtR.
Here it is
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...

21 voted to recommit

-Jason Altmire
-Marion Berry
-John Barrow
-Dan Boren
-Bobby Bright
-Ben Chandler
-Travis Childers
-Jerry Costello (IL Delegation)
-Lincoln Davis
-Joe Donnelly
-Tim Holden
-Dan Lipinski
-Jim Marshall
-Jim Matheson
-Mike McIntyre
-Charlie Melancon
-Collin Peterson
-Mike Ross
-Heath Shuler
-Ike Skelton
-Gene Taylor

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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why would Costello and Donnelly
vote to recommit something they just voted for 2 seconds previous? Makes no sense unless it was the abortion issue.  
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Yeah it was abortion
That and reconciliation difference is bizarre. Goodness knows how they justify this stuff in their tiny minds.
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Kratovil, Minnick, and Chet Edwards all voted no
I'm fairly sure they also voted against the motion to recommit back in November. Nice to see.  

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Shoot
Chet even had the balls to go on the House floor to publically say he opposes the bill. The other 33 didn't.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Question I need to ask
Okay, the House voted on the Senate bill and the reconciliation bill. Now the Senate bill passed and is currently on it's way to the President desk to sign but how can HCR pass without passing reconciliation and dosen't the Senate still have to take that up. I'm confused on that part.  

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
Ive seen David wave the finger at procedural stuff
But maybe he wont mind as much since, well, victory!

The reconciliation stuff is just to fix up the bill.  What they did was now pass the exact same bill, word for word, so now it can just go straight to Obama.  The step of fixing up the two bills between the two houses is skipped because they wont have different bills with the same goal, everything is exactly the same.

And now what will be reconciled is how to make the bill not suck so hard, which only need 50 votes.

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You mean 51 votes
Reconciliation only needs half the Senate, which is 51. And I don't think the bills sucks at all outside of Stupak of course but yes VICTORY IT IS!

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I heard
Stephen Lynch wants to take on Senator Centerfold in 2012. If he's the nominee, I would stay home and risk the chance of Senator Centerfold being reelected than put Lynch in the senate where he'll be a senator in the mold of Joe Lieberman, backstabbing his party on whenever he feels like it.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
Agreed
But with the unions on his back and if Capuano runs again, he won't be the nominee. Espicallty after this vote.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Lynch sucks
he got through the 2001 primary with a plurality thanks to a split liberal vote and has never faced a serious challenge since. I'd love to see him fight for his seat in 2010 although I don't know enough about Harmony Wu to judge whether she's the right person for the job.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Not happy any Dem voted no
But at least this will hopefully inspire someone of stature to take on Lipinski.
Same here
I understand some of the Dems like Minnick and Bright because the nature of their districts but guys like Lipinski and Lynch voting no is wrong espically when there were Dems from tough districts sticking their necks out for this like Tom Perriello for example.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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If Perriello can make it through 2010, he could be set for life
And he'll certainly be Senator material, as Webb is already 64.  He needs to be one the netroots really works for, because he is someone who could be around for us for a loooooong time.  Id love to be talking about Tom Perriello for the next 50 years, especially as a Senator holding down a VA-Sen seat for the liberals.

And maybe he can work on Nye.

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Agreed
After all the things he voted for in the past two years, he he can beat Hurt in '10 your right, he's set.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Anybody have suggestions for this?

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I hope so too
but I'm not holding my breath, Lipinski has the machine on his side after all.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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I'm sure Rahm isn't happy with him

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Probally
It's not cool when a Dem of the President's state delegation votes no, espically someone that coes from a safe seat like Lipinski and the fact every Dem in that delegation outside of Lipinski voted aye.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Not sure if Rahm Emanuel's
opinion matters as much as Daley's here.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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People here forget Lipinski destroyed a serious primary challenger...
...in 2004 or 2006 (can't remember which).  It was Mark Pera, whom I gave money at the time.  The machine kept Lipinski safe and Lipinski ended up cruising.

I think Pera's experience is going to scare off potential primary challengers yet again.  I hope I'm wrong, someone more liberal than Lipinski should hold that seat, and maybe this will be the impetus to create more serious organic opposition within the district's Democratic rank-and-file.  But I'm not too confident.

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But then again, now he's gone against Obama, who might even get in on it
I'm sure part of the equation might be that the machine won't be quite as patient with something like that (I could be wrong though).

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Pera wasn't that serious
And didn't have backing from Rahm or Obama.
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Plus
It didn't help that were other Dems in this race to divide up the anti-Lipinski vote as well.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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No primary challenger would ever have Rahm's or Obama's backing......
They are institutionalists.  And really, they have to be.  It would be a disaster for any Democratic President to support a primary challenger over a Democratic incumbent except in the most extreme circumstances, and an unfavorable vote on a bill, no matter how important, is not such an extreme circumstance.

But just because Obama and Rahm cannot get away with politically backing a primary challenger, that doesn't mean people like us shouldn't do so.

Of course, re Lipinski all this is purely intellectual masturbation, since the Illinois primary is over!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Well
Obama doesn't have to publicly back his primary opponent. He could just have Rahm call up the Daily machine, and twist a few other arms and it could happen. I would agree with you that it should be more our responsibility than Obama's. Also it's not just hypothetical, 2012 baby!!!! I just hope people don't just view it as water under the bridge then.  

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Obama support for incumbent
I think that FDR campaigned against some Democratic incumbents.

Joe Cooper
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It was 2006...
because in 2004 there wasn't even a primary due to the slimy way Dan Lipinski got put in the seat.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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REAL Slimy
His dad the current Rep retired after the filing deadline, the party machine then picked his son who wasn't even living in IL  at the time. I believe he was teaching down in TN at the University of Tennessee.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Im just going to move to his freaking CD for crying out loud
Give me twenty years to get myself established and I'll kick his ass.  He NEEDS to go.
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How about Dan Hynes?
Hynes is the the heir to the longtime 19th Ward political family headed by his father, former county assessor and Senate president Tom Hynes.

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The 19th Ward is in Lipinski's district.

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Interesting
Maybe he has bigger fish to fry but he would be as strong as anybody I imagine.
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Primary is over
I don't know how he get on the ballot for 2010. But in 2012, I seriously hope Lipinski is primaried out.  
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Probably need that time
To build a case against him and raise the cash. I still think Rahm will get on the case.
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Can Hynes run as an independent?
Has the filing deadline for that passed also?

Because if Obama and Rahm call Daley, and the machine backs Hynes over Lipinski, a nominally "independent" run could beat Lipinski I think.  And Hynes has the stature for a congressman.

Garamendi and Speier went to Congress after close-but-failed statewide primaries...

28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08

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True, but
Garamendi and Speier were elected in open seat special elections. I'm not sure Hynes running as an Indy could help him beat an incumbent. Though he still has time to decide, as the Illinois filing deadline for indies is June 21.

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All (both) RI Dems voted aye
represent! :)

wish I could say the same for Illinois though...I'm not in Lipinski's district but he ruined the rep of the IL Dems. He, along with Lynch and Berry, are douchebags. Arcuri's just a moron and Space...well, I get the impression that he is more politically savvy than Arcuri, so perhaps his flip was slightly less boneheaded.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/

Saw that, good for them
But I got to say I thought Patrick Kennedy was going to cry when he was speaking about the bill. Very sad I feel for him and his family.

Also got to love the fact when the GOP brought up opposition to the bill they either quoted ConservatDems like Ed Rendell and Phil Bredesen or quote conservative newspapers like the Columbus Dispatch and how this bill is unconstitutional. Yeah good luck with that in court jagoffs.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Hey everyone!
Take some time tonight to head over to your congressperson's website and send her/him a thank you e-mail. They're going to get hit with a lot of crap over the next few days, and a little positive reinforcement will go a long way for office morale.

Health care reform isn't over and won't really be for years, but I'm so glad tonight is.

Great suggestion,
I already sent one along.
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Lipinski and Lynch have no excuse
None.
By the way

The vote on the reconciliation also happened, here's that final vote.

I'll say that I wasn't happy with Teague voting against the base bill, but it's good to see that he voted for the reconcilation one (especially given his vote on Cap-and-Trade)



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Also
Kissell, Tanner, Berry, Altmire and McMahon.
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Hang on
Wrong link. So Teague was the only switch?
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Nate Silver says Lynch did, too.
So did someone vote for the Senate bill and against the reconciliation bill?

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05
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Jim Cooper I think


28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08
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He, probably, had to vote against the base bill
He comes from conservative enough district and has well-known conservative opponent. So it's perfectly understandable.
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Teague voted for the procedural votes
I think it's pretty clear that he personally supports HCR, and if push came to shove he would vote for it. But if his vote isn't needed, why endanger him?  
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Oh I agree
Which is why I'm glad he was elected in 2008 and I'll continue to strongly support his re-election in 2010 (well, also because I don't want Steve Pearce anywhere near congress ever again...)

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Reconciliation vote difference
One Dem voted for the reconciliation bill who didn't vote for the Senate one as it had 220 instead of 219.

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05
Oh it was Teague.


24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05
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Too hell with Davis, Lynch, and Lipinski
Cowards! Marion Berry too. What's he afraid of? Thanks to all the vulnerable dems who voted for this especially Markey, Boyd, Kosmas, Murphy, and Boccieri.
Berry worried he might lose in November (eom)

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But he's retiring.


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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Exactly
Maybe he has a nice cushy lobbying job lined up.
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It's called humor, son.
:)
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Serious business!


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I saw a suggestion
That he was providing cover for whoever tries to replace him.
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That seems legit then
But still kinda lame though, they'll just tie the nominee to national Dems.
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Berry's Chief of Staff is one of the candidates
to replace him. He will be linked to his boss so perhaps Berry tried to give him some cover.  
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That makes sense
I had the same thought re Tanner & Herron. Still disgusts me, though.
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And Bart Gordon was free
Because TN-06 is gone already. Yep, does make sense.
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Did Nathan Deal just retire?
I saw Phil Gingrey and John Lewis talking about him but couldn't quite gather what that was about.
CQ tweeted he JUST resigned
http://twitter.com/CQHealthTweet


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Wow I wonder how that will affect the special election
n/t
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Lipinski, Lynch, and Arcuri
Okay, Arcuri is just an idiot.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
Lynch
Not that it REALLY matters, but I've read conflicting reasons as to his "No."  I can totally understand the abortion thing given his wishy-washy stance on the issue in general, but I also saw that he was taking Kucinich's place in voting against it from the left.  Granted I saw this on Kos, where anything can get said.  Can anyone factcheck this?
21 Dems voting with GOP on their motion
Altmire
Barrow
Berry
Boren
Bright
Chandler
Childers
Costello
Davis
Donnelly
Holden
Lipinski
Marshall
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Peterson
Ross
Shuler
Skelton
Taylor

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...


John Campbell (CA-48) admits he yelled out "baby-killer"
Joe Wilson redux?  If so is Beth Krom getting a surge in fundraising like Rob Miller?

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


Whoops
Identity of heckler not confirmed yet.  Said to be "Southern sounding." Joe Wilson having some more fun?

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Washinton post says it was Campbell
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strike that.
opps never mind
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What's worse
Calling the President a liar at the SOTU or calling a Michigan Congressmsn a baby killer. I think the latter because it's not cool or civil to call one of your colleagues a murderer. But God were there alot of screaming and shouting and words wanting to be stricken from the record during this debate today.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Yeah this is worse

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This feels worse
We can have honest disagreements on abortion without resorting to name calling.  Just because we're pro-choice doesn't mean we call the other side "enslavers of women" or something like that.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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People call pro-lifers far worse than that
Not on the House floor mind you.
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We can't stop people on both sides from being idiotic at times but the House should have a higher standard
Calling a fellow member a murderer is pretty low.  Hopefully this person will apologize, though I'm not holding my breath.  Even Bart Stupak deserves better.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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baby killer
didnt some congressman raise a lot of money for insulting Obama in session?

Joe Cooper
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Yeah
Randy Neugebauer (batshit crazy-TX)

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It was actually
TX-19 rep Randy Neugebauer (R-Crazyville).

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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I thought he denied it?
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He did, I read a Tweet that quickly corrected itself


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Campbell
is also part of the birther movement that exists in the House of Representatives. Can't believe that douche bag comes from my state.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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" Can't believe that douche bag comes from my state. "
COUGH Tom McClintock COUGH

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I'm a Californian living and voting in Louisiana so I get some of the worst from both states
From California the after mentioned Tom Campbell and Tom McClintock as well as Devin "It's the Democrats fault tea-partiers are racist" Nunes, the hopefully forever retired Dick Pombo, and pretty much any GOPer in the legislature.  And in Louisiana David Vitter and Steve Scalise...  thankfully my Congressman in California is Mike Honda and my Mayor will soon be Mitch Landrieu.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Yeah Nunes is pretty bad
You see him on the house floor today? For the entire time he talked about his this bill is a big government takeover and how this just reeks socialism. That's all he kept talking about was communism and socialism. Jesus I was ready to throw my fist through a wall listening to him and John Boehner's speeches. Look I may be only 22 but I learned about socialism in High School and College and this isn't socialism. Luckically you got good representation in Congress, I don't by a long shot.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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I heard about the speech. Didn't know you could rent out the tea-baggers for speech writing
I guess I was naïve but I thought for a while the newer Republican members of Congress were the nutcases: the older ones, while crazy, had some shame.  Nunes has only been there since 2003 but I'd hoped he at least missed the crazy wave.  Guess not...  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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Nope none of them have shame
David Drier and Mike Castle have been in office for a long time and there both a-holes only Drier have been like that longer than Castle. The worst have to be the entire TX GOP Delegation, Paul Broun, Virginia Foxx, Devin Nunes, Bill Posey, Michele Bachmann, John Boehner, Aaron Schock,Eric Cantor and Mike Pence.

Nunes is from the Fresno area, he isn't going anywhere wave or no wave. Remember this is the same City that elected Bubba (Alan Autry) from the In the Heat of the Night as their mayor and that guy was a freak.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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I was suggesting crazier Republicans were elected in bad years for the GOP
The GOPers who showed up to vote that year in primaries may have been the more faithful and far right of them.  Of course you just named a bunch elected in good years for the Republicans so it was a mostly unsourced idea.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)


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With the exception of Aaron Schock and Bill Posey
Your right, I have named GOPers that were elected in good years. Although there were GOPers that were insane that were elected in good years. 1/3 of the GOP class of 1994 comes to mind.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Michele Bachmann too
Good point on Class of '94.  Maybe my hope was that the more irresponsible GOPers would have self destructed after a while as much of the Class of '94 did.  Perhaps I assumed the less crazy GOP base of the past may have been willing to primary their nutty representatives for someone more sane.  But I dream.  

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Fresno
actually, Fresno County voted for Obama

Joe Cooper
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True
but it was about 50-50. Most of the Democratic parts of Fresno are in Jim Costa's district. Nunes (and Radanovich, slightly) have the Republican parts, plus heavily Republican Tulare County is also in Nunes's district.

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Couldn't agree more
That speech had "Tea Bagger" written all over that speech. Taxes and big government this, socialism that. Good God man, than goodness everyone here is educated and can think for themselves.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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you mean john
campbell.  i and most liberals here happen to like tom campbell

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)
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Well
Tom is not exactly a member of the House right now (not since 2001). John is, since 2005.

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I'm no Tom Campbell fan but yes I meant John


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Maybe i'm seeing things...
but when they started the vote for the reconciliation bill.. i could have swore i saw a GOP vote in the Yes column.. that quickly disappeared

did anyone else see that?  I couldn't help but wonder if it was an error.. or if it may have been Rep Cao voting yes... but maybe the leadership pushing him  back to no.

I searched all the sites i know.. but saw no mention of it.

Your not seeing things
Saw the same thing. Could of been Cao voting for it then Boehner forcing him to vote nay. But regardless you weren't seeing things.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Could just be a mistaken vote
It happened once or twice in other procedural votes before.  
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Republicans in Obama Districts
  We talk about how Democrats representing districts McCain won should fall in line.  Why is it that Republicans representing Obama districts do not feel the same pressure?
Paul Ryan, for example, is a right-wing extremist who is representing a district Obama won 51-47.

24, Male, GA-05
Easy...
Guys like Paul Ryan and Mary Bono Mack don't care Obama won their districts and never will, espically Ryan who in my opinion is a narcesstic right-wing extremeist. If you saw him on the House floor either today or in previous times you'll know what i'm talking about.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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b/c
their districts are still more republican than the nation as a whole

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)
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Not at all
Doesn't explain Cao, Castle, Kirk, Gerlach, Reichert, Dent, Roskam, Lobiondo, McCotter, Upton and Biggert. The GOP are just better at whipping their people into line. It is in their nature to vote in lockstep.
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It's easy to vote against something
and then make up some reason. If you vote for something, you can be held for anything in the bill.  
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ok, yes
but that is a much narrower group, and none but the first three have non-moderate districts

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I find it kinda funny
I was getting really nervous last night when I heard reports that Loretta Sanchez was a no, and couldn't be found.  Lucky for us, she was just attending to family matters, and came back just in time to vote yes.

As an OC dem, she is the one bright spot in a sea of horrid loosers.  Hopefully Krom and Hedrick win their respective races in 2010, that would be sweet.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Well, these "yes" vote may cause serious problrems for
Markey, Kosmas, and, possibly Boyd and Boccieri. On the other hand Lipinski and Lynch have reliable Democratic districts, so primary from the left is quite feasible here. Among other - somewhat surprised about solid "no" from Adler (Northern Democrat from at least swing district). Otherwise - no real surprises: Almost all "no" votes are from thoose, representing districts from "Republican-leaning" to "Solid Republican" and thus - fighting for political survival. Obvious exception - Arthur Davis, but his reasons are also obvious.

P.S. It will be interesting to observe Arcuri's fate - he has very solid (and not especially conservative) Republican opponent, who almost beat him in very good Democratic year 2008 (in addition, if i am correct, Arcuri had WFP line then)

I think they are other Yes dems more endangered
I think they will have not really high problems for reelection, and in the case of Boyd that can help him for his primary. I think they are not enough weak against their current republican challengers (maybe Markey?).

Pomeroy, Hill, Schauer, Driehaus, Perriello or Spratt (and maybe Shea-Porter and Connelly) surely are more endangered but im not pesimistic about the chance of YES voters someone can lose, but will not be very much. The big majority of the most endangered democrats vote NO.

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I limited myself
to "switchers" - those, whi voted differently this time then previously. Those that you mentioned voted consistently. Sure, the most endangered Democrats voted "no", because these "most endangered" come from more or less heavy Republican districts and wanted to "innoculate" themselves from additional Republican attacks - there will be more then enough of them even without HCR vote..)))))
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Cao must lose, Lipinski, Lynch and Barrow creating own weakness

J Cao (D+25), a catholic integrist (im catholic too but not integrist) must lose in november. Democratic Party from Louisiana need to out J Cao of the House, and still must work hard for it.

The results of this bill tell us the republican representatives are not alternative for no-one democrat in the house. Some democratic congressman maybe bad, but a republican congresman from his district always would be worse.

That help me understand much of the No democratic votes, but not all. I can not understand:

D Lipinski (D+11)
S Lynch (D+11)
J Barrow (D+1)

and Im very critic with A Davis (D+18) because he left not the seat before voting the Health Care Reform. Other representative from AL-07 district would vote yes to this reform and without A Davis in the House, the No would lose one vote more.

PS: Someone can think, would be better if N Abercrombie get in his seat still, but I think not the same. N Abercrombie's movement leaving the House before the elections is smart since Hawaii democrats point because close the chance of L Lingle running for one open seat for the House, and makes L Lingle must wait out office until D Inouye or D Akaka leave the senate or run against an incumbent.

Good point on Artur Davis
But he probably specifically wanted to vote no so he could brag about it. Which makes it worse.
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I think very much people will be dissapointed with this in Alabama

I think this is a mistake.
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Barrow's district
is much less Democratic in non-presidential year, when much lower percent of Blacks votes. He almost lost to Republican in 2006. And 2010 is just such year. So, in case of Barrow i take it as simple "self-preservation"
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Blacks votes live in the district all years, and is not possible

is not possible J Barrow makes they get in home? Always is the same problem with J Barrow. He work like a representative of a R+12 district and I think this is not right.

I understand some representatives vote NO by "self-preservation" in many cases, including M Arcuri or L Kissell, but I think is not the case of J Barrow, who is excesively conservative himself.

Im too critic with the "self-preservation" reason for explain J Adler's NO vote. But Im more critic with Lipinski, Lynch, Barrow and A Davis.

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Nevertheless,
a percantage of Blacks voting in this (Barrow) district in Presidential and non-Presidential year varies rather strongly. Yes, Barrow is generally conservative himself, but looking  at 2006 results, i doubt, thhat he would win that district that year being he more liberal. In additional - there was a primary challenge from the left to Barrow in 2008 - in form of liberal state Senator Regina Thomas, and she got rather pitiful 24%. So, most people of the district, including those, who vote in the primary, are, probably, more or less satisfied with Barrow;s voting record...
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Agreed
I agree with you. This does make me think of an issue that's rarely mentioned anywhere, but just because a district has a high percentage of African-Americans and elects a Democrat does not mean it's some type of liberal stronghold.

If Thomas somehow beat Barrow in the Primary, this seat would be a definite GOP pick-up.

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I think between a full blue dog and a full progressive black they are many points in the line

Give me only a Driehaus what can vote finally YES like all other democrats in D+1 districts and that would change to better.

I think J Barrow is not the alone what can win this district for democrats.

In Georgia the state senate has very much members (if I'm not wrong) and that makes the state senate district be small. A state senator is not the same in all states.


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56 State Senators
The districts are not all small. Some are fairly compact, some are huge.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with that, anyway. Thomas was a State Senator.

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Hold On
Barrow's close race in 2006 can also be attributed to the GOP redistricting. Barrow's home and base (he served on the Athens-Clarke County Commissioner for over a decade) were literally drawn out of the district. I believe Paul Broun now represents Barrow's former home base.

Barrow's conservative-leaning nature falls in line with the typical Georgia Democrat. I actually believe he voted No because that's how he really felt.

Regardless, Barrow is safe. Thomas can run to his left all she wants but it will not matter because Democratic does not always equal liberal, and Barrow's district is a prime example. The GOP can throw whoever they want at him, but Barrow's done a fine job, and I do not see his constituents wanting to replace him with a freshman in the minority party who'll have no influence whatsoever.

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Integrist
Do you mean he favors the old Tridentine Latin Mass, or are you using the word differently? I just looked at the Wikipedia article on Integrism, and it wasn't that clear. (Wikipedia, of course, isn't always that great a source.)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  
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you are so right in the way what I use the the word "integrist"

J Cao is very close to the doctrine of integrist catholic groups like the Opus Dei (group what born very close to Franco spanish fascist dictator), Legionarios de Cristo Rey, and others (sorry by use the spanish name).

If you know the catholic church you will know this groups become so successful between the catholic hierarchy last years.

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Re: House Healthcare Vote
Health care must properly be imposed. Health is very much important that's why the government must put emphasis on how the people could take care their health in the most affordable way. The House will vote on the health care bill on Sunday, and there are additional Democrats crossing the road to vote for it. After initial opposition, Dennis Kucinich decided to vote yes and John Boccieri (D-OH) recently chose to vote yes as well. The CBO can't choose if will trim the deficit, or send the government hunting for pay day loans if it passes, and truth be told, they have about as much accuracy as chance. Health care reform should indeed be an important issue, but I'm nevertheless not entirely sold that we need government in on the action.
Not
that type of site. We focus on horse race politics not policy.

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