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KY-Sen: Paul, Mongiardo Gain Steam in Latest SUSA Poll

by: James L.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 6:30 PM EST


SurveyUSA (3/1-3, likely voters, 10/30-11/02/2009 in parens):

Rand Paul (R): 42 (35)
Trey Grayson (R): 27 (32)
Others: 11 (15)
Undecided: 19 (18)
(MoE: 4.7%)

Dan Mongiardo (D): 45 (39)
Jack Conway (D): 27 (28)
Others: 9 (18)
Undecided: 19 (16)
(MoE: 4.1%)

Interestingly, SUSA finds that the top choices of both party committees are in a serious struggle to emerge from their respective primaries. Grayson and Paul have already been engaging in an air war, with Grayson leveling some sharp blows against Paul over his shocking anti-coal rhetoric on the campaign trail. Amazingly, Grayson's attacks aren't seeming to make much of a dent in Paul's progress, but given the lack of public polling of these primaries over the past few months, I suppose it's possible that Paul sported an even bigger lead a month ago.

Meanwhile, the Democratic candidates are just starting to loosen their purse strings ever so slightly, going up with their first ads recently. Conway has a bigger supply of resources at his disposal, but he also a significant amount of ground that he needs to gain. Mongiardo is beating him handily in all regions of the state, except for Louisville (where Conway has a modest 42-34 lead). Hopefully, SUSA will be contracted to poll these races with greater frequency over the next couple of months.

In the past, SUSA used to offer up general election head-to-heads on this race. Unfortunately, they seem to have abandoned the concept and have instead elected to test the "Democratic Candidate" against the "Republican Candidate", finding a 43-42 point race in favor of the undefined Republican. Those numbers aren't bad, but Democrats will have to find a way to paint Paul as too weird for Kentucky in order to buck the national trend.

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Paul
I have to say, if I lived in KY and it was Paul vs Mongiardo, I'd have a tough time deciding. Since I don't, I will support the person with the R. Very Reluctantly if its Paul.

Any KY residents here?
I would LOVE an explanations to how the "weird" that got kicked out of their 2008 convention in St. Paul has been able to take the lead here.

Anyone, please explain how he hasn't been run out to the streets yet.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


I can
People are crazy. They don't care about his positions. They care that he is not the 'establishment' because the establishment is evil.

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Paul
was also able to make a big deal about the fact Grayson voted for Bill Clinton. His wikipedia page is routinely vandalized by paulites. If Paul gets elected to the Senate it will be funny seeing him at odds with leadership all of the time.  

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I imagine that would only happen when Republicans control the Senate
And/or the presidency. If he's anything like his father, he'll basically be a pain in the ass to whoever happens to be in control of the government.

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That's about right
The bit I know about Kentucky politics watching it from a neighboring state for a long time is it is a very insular place, that responds well in ANY political environment to attacks on insiders.  Pretty much all elected officials almost always get low approval ratings, and the electorate there seems to be stuck on "crabby."  So given the current political climate, it really is the right time and place for Rand Paul in Kentucky.

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another thing I'd like explained
why is Mongiardo doing so well? it's like his nutso Beshear-bashing tape didn't even make a dent in his numbers.

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I
think a lot of it has to do with moderate democrats. They make a huge percent of the electorate and they prefer Mongiardo.

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It's not like Conway is a liberal gadfly, though.
I mean, yeah, he's slightly to the left of Mongiardo, but I doubt that your average Kentuckian moderate Democrat is attuned enough to politics to know that, or sensitive enough to ideology to let a minor difference bother them too much.

Could be wrong, though.


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It
was just a guess, I really have no clue whatsoever. Perhaps it's just he's well known, or people think he is entitled to it since he came close to winning in 2004.  

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Perhaps it helped him
(disclaimer, Beshear is no fave of mine)

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What's wrong
with Beshear? I think he's done a fine job as Governor.

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Conway
I don't get why Conway isn't gaining more traction.  He's young, charismatic, Attorney General (a higher profile position than Lt. Governor,) and slightly to the left of Mongiardo.  Why does Doctor Dan have such a commanding lead?

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I don't understand it either, Conway is clearly the better candidate but it's just not happening for some reason.

29/D/Male/NY-01

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It's Jim Bunning's seat
Evidently, you have to be crazy or a real a-hole to win.  

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Against this cast of characters, Conway ought to be
running away with the election. The fact that he isn't gives me serious pause.

Dr. Dan is so unappealing to me that if he wins the primary, I won't be paying much attention to this race.  


Yup
Dr. Dan is so unappealing to me that if he wins the primary, I won't be paying much attention to this race.

So Say We All!

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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I agreed before
But now that it is coming down to every single race in the country to blunt the GOP gains, I'll pay attention to any race where we have a chance.  Not enthusiastically of course, though.

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Looks like nobodys happy!
What is it that Kentuckians see that we don't? Democrats hate Mongiardo and Republicans hate Paul

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You're talking about the people who elected Jim Bunning
That alone explains everything...

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Twice, at that
Against credible opponents both times. I don't understand this race. The first time I saw Jack Conway's website I thought he would be President someday, I don't know why he's having so much trouble against Mongiardo. Is it because Mongiardo is favored by the state party insiders (not just elected officials, but also the party leaders)?

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Not at all -- Conway hs more big-name endorsements
True, the Gov. is supporting Dr. Dan, but Conway has the endorsement of the state's two Democratic congressman, Crit Luallen, Louisville Mayor Jerry Abramson, the Democratic House Speaker, etc., etc.

I go back to what you said -- I don't really understand this race.


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He needs to get that site loading faster
Flash kills politicians.

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Where's RuralDem when you need him? n/t


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No one is too weird for Kentucky
Because, you forget, we are talking about Kentucky.

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Didn't Dr. Dan almost win in '04?
I suspect there's some degree of buyer's remorse w/r/t Bunning that is rubbing off positively on Mongiardo.

The reason Mongiardo is winning is very simple
He is the only candidate of the four major candidates from a working class background.  Mongiardo is viewed as an economic populist and fighter for working folks.  Most KY Dem voters love him.  Mongiardo actually works  for people's support.  He doesn't lay up on his fainting couch eating grapes and whining.  Conway is the poster child for the political establishment - not a good thing in KY, particularly in this political environment.  He thought he would roll out four or five impresive political endorsements that apparently many of you here at SSP think are sooo valuable and influential in KY politics.  They're not. Yarmuth, Chandler and Luallen, Abramson - they are all silversoon politicians like Conway and voters in KY are sick of establishment candidates like Conway and Trey Grayson.  In contrast, Mongiardo has received endorsements of every state senator in Conway's hometown of Louisville, the last four Democratic Party Chairs in Louisville and endorsements from almost every labor organization in the state, including Louisville's Central Labor Council, the UAW with its two Ford plants in Louisville and the IUE/CWA at Louisville's GE plant.  Unbelievably, Conway spent the last year bragging about how he was the candidate of the National Democratic Party and he was supported by the Washington political insiders like Schumer and Menendez.  Democrats in KY blame Washington insiders for the mess our nation is in and the fact that Conway has linked himself so closely to them was a huge blunder.  To understand why Mongiardo is winning, take Bunning's attempt to block jobless benefits last week as an example; Mongiardo personally organized and led rallies with actual people/voters in front of Bunning's offices in Louisville and Lexington - in the freezing cold no less.  Rand Paul and his Tea Party supporters held a rally at the same time / same place in support of Bunning's actions.  Mongiardo turned out more Democratic supporters than the Tea Bagger extremists.  When was the last time we had a Democrat who was not intimdated by the tea baggers, a candidate willing to not only call out the tea baggers, but out organize them too?  Mongiardo is fearless.  He is a fighter and he works like a machine 24/7.  Where was Conway you are wondering? He was in DC shooting a campaign commercial on the issue so he could air an ad claiming to be the one who was standing up for KY's jobless.  While Mongiardo was getting coverage by local media at the rallies in KY, Conway was a guest, blogging on HuffPo, doing interview with Ed on his national radio show and appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews.  In other words, Mongiardo was on the streets in KY, talking to KYians - Conway was in a DC studio talking to a bunch of talking heads and non-KY voters.  And you wonder how Conway could be losing to Mongiardo.  The only thing Conway can do now is dip into his trust fund and spend millions on a scorched-earth campaign in which he tries to tear Mongairdo apart.  Even if he wins with that strartegy, - he loses and we lose any chance of taking the seat in KY.  

Paragraphs help
Your message looks like a blurb copied from a press release. The appearance suggests you don't care about formatting or readability,

Second, links help too. If you're suggesting that one candidate is doing better than another, then verifiable facts and data can be helpful. And that requires links to credible sources.

Finally, your status as a one comment user does not help your cause or credibility either.


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Funny
Cos seems to me Conway is the only chance of even being competitive according to the polling.

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You know
I'm sure Mongiardo is a great guy, but he seems to have a temper problem after that expletive laced phone call came out.  Is he really fit to be senator?

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

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Opposite
Was not a phone but a secretly recorded conversation setup by a major road contractor supporting Conway. Mongiardo is very laid back. On the other hand Conway and his father are known for their bad temperment.

Like on Saturday at the UofL basketball game or cursing at a church picnic.


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Who cares
He said it.

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think before speaking
What is your point Mel.  What Conway said is/was more offensive to Kentucky voters.  THINK before you post. This is why he is trailing 3 to 1 in Western Ky.  In Kentucky something said in private is private. Something said on stage in front of children is considered offensive. duh! Maybe your name in not Mel but Homer. :-).

You can keep this up but your knowledge of Ky is only hurting your guy.  The real point here is keeping the Democratic Caucus in the majority and your comments seem to be wishing for the opposite.  Do your research and quit regurgitating what you have here from the DSCC.


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Do YOUR research first, hypocrite.


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Don't have to
It comes from memory I live here.  Do it your self. Facts are facts. Sorry :-|. You deal with Arnold and I will look up what you say and so on.

Washington has missed this race since 98 and is trying to do the same this time. Once again look it up.


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Don't need to
Posters here can walk and chew gum at the same time. We already know all about your "facts" we just disagree with the conclusions you have made from them.

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I
want a straight yes or no answer. Do you work for Dr. Dan?

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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The answer apparently is no
But poster is still a troll.

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He never declined it


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Then I am not going to believe a word that comes out of your hypocritical mouth.
And just in case you didn't know, the plural of anecdotes is not data. Show us actual factual proof that Dr. Dan is a better choice. Don't give lame things like just "memory". Based on my memory, Rick Perry is an extremely horrible governor. Yet he has won twice because there are way too many people who think Perry is a great governor. Here, since you're too scared to show independent information I'll do it for you.

2006 - Perry (R) 1,716,803; Bell (D) 1,310,353; Strayhorn (I) 797,577; Friedman (I) 546,869; Others 27,456

2002 - Perry (R) 2,632,541; Sanchez (D) 1,819,843; Others 101,595  

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MarshallDem suggests that he does not have to do research
nor does he feel the need to provide links. He just suggests that because he says he lives in KY, we should blindly believe him.

Before this thread, I liked Dr. Dan. I felt grateful to him for taking on Bunning in a Presidential election year.

But then comes MarshallDem with statements like:

It comes from memory I live here.

Such reasoning would never fly even in a high school term paper, much less a reasoned political discussion.

Memories are faulty. Verifiable facts with links/sources are less faulty.

MarshallDem has shown no credibility other than the assertion that he lives in KY.

And since I see no denial, I do believe that he is working for Dr. Dan's campaign. If he is hiring such -- ah -- people, he deserves to be trounced in the election.

MarshallDem is supporting a candidate who peaked in '04, is known by the KY electorate, is no longer running against Bunning, and thus has little room for growth.

This appears to be verified by the way Dr. Dan underperforms generic D. Yes, this is based on apples to oranges, but the other polls shown by user conspiracy show that Grayson performs better than Dr. Dan in any general election match-up.

MarshallDem has not refuted this except to suggest that Dr. Dan can rise again in the polls. Well Dr. Dan is a known quantity. Short of verifiable proof that he is the Messiah, I don't see him gaining additional support in the General Election.


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And
if memory is the end-all-be-all, then Rick Perry is an extremely horrible governor whose secessionist-pandering, unemployment fund-refusing, stimulus-taking to plug up the deficit, toll-road building, taxpayer-leeching for his house while the governor mansion is being rebuilt, recession-denying ass will lose in a landslide, with 39% like he got last time.

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Well
Kentucky is my second home. I'm from southern Indiana and was born in Louisville, and get the Louisville media market. So I'm fairly familiar with KY politics. I met Conway when he first ran for the House and he seemed like a standup guy. I AM NOT saying anything against Dan, but I really don't see how he's more electable or any better than Conway. Also there are a lot of smart people on SSP that know plenty about politics from different states. Last but not least could you provide me with some of your "research". Thanks!

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Deja Vu
Didn't we go through this very same conversation last month with regard to the Indiana seat? Like a recurring nightmare.

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Anka
has resurrected!  

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Wish Survey USA
Asked favorability. I would guess more people have an opinion of Mongiardo and that could make all the difference once Conway starts to use his financial advantage.

Facts
In 2004 Mongiardo received more votes than any Democrat in the history of Kentucky http://elect.ky.gov/results/ losing to Bunning by 1 point while Bush carried the state by 20.

Mongiardo has been ahead from the beginning and extending his lead during the whole race www.surveyusa.com

Mongiardo works harder and is a better retail politician than anyone in Kentucky since Wendell Ford. Conway is stiff and comes accross as a rich spoiled child.

Mongiardo has the best field org in Kentucky history.

Everyone that understands Kentucky Politics is for Mongiardo. The only ones for Conway are the insiders who want to make a buck off the race or as a lobbyist if Conway gets to DC.

Just the facts folks.
 


And the polling data suggests nominating Mongiardo may lead to a Senator Paul
which IMO would actually be worse than Jim Bunning.

MarshallDem, if you're really advocating for Dr. Dan on this site, then you'll show us some recent actual credible polls that show Mongiardo leading the two likely R opponents -

or at least doing better than Conway in head to head matchups v Greyson and Paul.

The facts as we see them, based on the polls noted by user conspiracy, suggest otherwise.


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November is a long way off
Bunning was up around 30 points on Mongiardo in 2004 after the primary and only won by 1.  Paul has not been vetted yet and will not work like Mongiardo.

Once the wingnut Paul is shown for what he is his numbers will drop drastically. Paul is an unknown but he won't be for long. McConnell will unleash on him trying to push Grayson through.

The generic ballot from survey USA should tell you something.

If you knew anything about Kentucky politics you would know the republicans are scared to death of running against Mongiardo and are drooling at the thought of running against a malpractice attorney from Louisville.  I like Jack but he can't win and everyone informed in this state knows it.  I know it sucks but it is just the way it is.


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I don't live in Kentucky
But I can't imagine the GOP are scared of either of them. Frankly, I don't think either can win.

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Your put downs are not credible
If you knew anything about Kentucky politics

snip

everyone informed in this state knows it.

It is not helpful to talk down to the political nerds on this site in that way.

However, if you have substantiation (e.g. links to actual polls, commentary by people who are knowledgable on KY politics), that would be different.


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You know
That argument always annoys me. I don't live in any State yet still know what the hell I'm talking about.

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Truth
A simple google search will back up everything I have posted on this threat. So since ur not from ky do ur homework.

Is ur name Mel Gibson :-)


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You make the claim, YOU show the proof.


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Do
you want to bet that he gives you a link to Dr. Dan's website?


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I don't think he works for Dr. Dan
With the kind of backward's logic he's using, I bet he works for Rand Paul.  You know, he's trying to shore up the support for Dr. Dan so the more electable Conway won't win the Democratic primary.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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Yeah.
I don't need no stinkin' facts!

That reeks very strongly of fringe Republicanism.

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MarshallDem patronizes us again.
We call out a new poster based on the way he patronizes us.

He responds by continuing to patronize us.

In his last note, he adds two more patronizing claims.

First he says:

A simple google search will back up everything I have posted on this threat

He does not specify what search terms to use.

He does not specify what sites that come up in a search are or are not credible.

He does not back up anything of what he said, suggesting that opponents do research for him.

Second, he says:

So since ur not from ky do ur homework.

It is clear that MarshallDem has not done his homework either. Furthermore, it is clear that he knows little about politics in Kentucky. If he had, he would have links to facts and data at the ready.

Third, he says:

Is ur name Mel Gibson :-)  

AFAIK, Gibson is somewhat of a wingnut hero based on his role in the "Passion of the Christ." So I assume this callout is a third patronizing claim, but am not sure, as MarshallDem is not specific.


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Do you work for Mongiardo?
I'm not saying I dislike Mongiardo, but you seem to be over the top in love with him. It sounds like campaign spin if you ask me.  

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He just made an account today
And if he is working for Mongiardo, he will want to state that somewhere unless he wants Mongiardo to get some major backlash from SSPers.  I'm pretty sure this has happened before if this is the case, and it didn't end too well. ( http://www.swingstateproject.c... )

I mean, if he is from the Mongiardo campaign, I don't think its really a problem unless he doesn't disclose his affiliation.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)


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We
seem to be seeing a lot of campaign workers posting spin on SSP lately. Mainly spam promoting candidates. I'm not sure if marshalldem is one, but he seems fishy if you ask me.  

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Nope, just the facts
Just trying to keep the majority. Sorry my friends I am a left leaning dem but a realist.  

Conway can not win. That is why most of the left side of the party in Ky is for him. Once again just do some research. :-|  Most all of the left wing in Conways home city supports Mongiardo.

The reason is Mongiardo works and Conway plays golf.


[ Parent ]
Dude, condescending much?
If you work for the Mongiardo campaign you are doing a piss poor job. All you are doing is reinforcing the negative traits people see in your guy.

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He's not working for Mongiardo
I bet he's a Paulist.  They know that Conway is a threat, so they are trying to shore up the Dr. Dan support so Paul can be a US Senator.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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Paulist
are very odd people that never cease to amaze me. Although they can raise a boatload of money though.  

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I'm
not supporting Conway because he's more progressive at all. I am a realist; I understand that moderate states need moderate democrats. I supported Brad Ellsworth when many wanted the slightly more liberal Hill (who is my Congressman). I am supporting Conway because I think he's more electable.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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