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What is Charlie Cook Overlooking?

by: liberalpragmatist

Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 1:52 AM EST


DC political prognosticator Charlie Cook is getting a lot of attention for his doom and gloom about Democrats' chances this November. He has controversially asserted that health care reform is Barack Obama's Iraq War and that the Democrats will likely lose the House.

It's worth pointing out that other major political pundits don't (yet) agree with Cook's forecast; Larry Sabato and Stuart Rothenberg, for example, still see Republican gains in the House in the mid-to-upper 20s. Cook's analysis can't be totally dismissed, however. Congressional approval ratings, though always low, are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Democratic enthusiasm is hugely down, economic forecasts indicate slow job growth through the end of the year, and Obama's approval rating is the second-lowest of any president at this point.

Moreover, young and minority voters are unlikely to turn out in large numbers; many, even if supportive of Obama and liberal-ish in their views, aren't especially political and may treat the midterms with apathy. As Obama's approval ratings are low with older voters and white voters, a turnout favoring them could well  deliver the GOP big gains.

Nonetheless, Cook's analysis seems flawed to me. It's not that Democrats couldn't lose the House. And it's not just the standard "a week is a lifetime in politics," caveat. Rather, Cook seems to me to miss many mitigating factors, and I'm curious if others agree.  

liberalpragmatist :: What is Charlie Cook Overlooking?
First, I don't think Cook accounts for the weakness of the GOP brand, which remains very low. It's true that in an anti-incumbent year, Democrats will be the main losers as the party in power. But while large GOP gains aren't out of the question, the voters' low enthusiasm for the GOP seems to me to be a major hurdle. Hatred of the GOP could prove extremely potent in getting a higher proportion of Democratic-leaning voters to the polls. In 1994, pre-Newt's speakership, surveys showed Democrats had relatively low disapproval of the Republican Party.

Second, I think Cook understates the potential for Democratic mobilization. Especially if Democrats can pass health care reform, they will likely at least stabilize their position with Democratic-leaners and have a concrete - and real - achievement to champion before the voters. Frankly, even without that, mobilization alone would shift turnout somewhat in their favor. And by all accounts, it appears that Obama will take a major personal stake in the midterms. This will be an all-out, nationalized campaign, and while there will be districts where that will be hindrance, revving up Democratic voters and convincing them to turn out and vote could well save several marginal seats.

Third, I think Cook underestimates Obama's continuing popularity. There's no doubt that Obama's numbers have fallen, but the public still likes Obama personally by a heavy margin. And for all the talk of Democratic disillusionment, approval and enthusiasm for the president among Democratic-leaners remains extremely high. Comparisons with Bill Clinton are difficult, as Clinton's approval ratings in early 1994 were actually quite high. But by the late spring of '94, Clinton's job and personal ratings were significantly down due to several big political defeats and the controversies over Whitewater. While Obama's job approval ratings and personal favorability ratings could fall to the low 40s, I have a hard time seeing them doing so. And if Obama's ratings are around 50% in November 2010 and if he maintains high personal approval ratings, it would add up to a less hostile climate for Democrats than they faced in 1994.

All of these factors suggest to me that Republican gains will likely top out at the mid-to-upper 20s or low 30s, in the House. And the potential is there, actually, for actual losses to prove smaller. Unless there is a double-digit recession, it is difficult (though, again, not impossible) for me to see Republicans picking up 40+ seats. If, as forecasted, we have at least some modest job growth, approval ratings for Obama around 50%, passage of health care reform and at least a few other popular items, and Democratic mobilization heavier-than-today, that points towards more modest losses than what Cook is forecasting.

In fairness to Cook, we're in somewhat uncharted waters here. Neither 1994 or 2006 looked like wave elections this far out, although moderate gains for the opposition in both years seemed likely. In both years, voter anger grew and grew and didn't peak prior to election day.

This year, the level of angst is present so early that it's hard to predict what will over the coming months. It is entirely plausible that the seeming wave will crest. Democrats are aware of voter anger far earlier and for the GOP to look like they're returning to power this early on may give time for wavering voters to have second thoughts. Alternately, the wave could build, which would indicate catastrophic losses for Democrats. Or it could remain roughly the same as it is today.

So do people agree? Disagree? Or is Cook right regardless of the factors I name?  

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Mobilization
I haven't seen the Democrats able to mobilize since November 4th, 2008. You've been losing races left and right to a much, much worse extent than Republicans did in 2005. Look at Joe Cao, Scott Brown, Chris Christie, John Fleming...

Maybe that will change if Obama magically passes the public option through the House and Senate, despite the loss of five votes in the House (Cao flipping, Abercrombie and Wexler resigning, Murtha dying) and despite the end of the filibuster-proof majority. I doubt it.

I thought for a while that all Obama really needed to do was crack down on Congress' excesses and communicate more, and that that would be enough to turn things around. I don't feel that way any more. The entire strategy for his first year has been a political fiasco that's unprecedented in my lifetime.

I personally think that if he doesn't change course soon he's going to be a one-term President.


And by "change course"
I mean adopt a Clinton model of smaller initiatives. Settle for a bipartisan compromise on health care, pass some tax cuts for businesses, that sort of thing.

What we are seeing is the resolution of a huge disparity between the popularity of Obama's policies (which, even during the halcyon days of early 2009, didn't poll well) and the personal popularity of Obama. He desperately needs to move to the center. This last-ditch effort to pass health care by any means necessary is going to blow up in his face.


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There is no bipartisanship
No Republican will vote for any healthcare bill as long as Obama or any other Democrat is President.  Adopting a Clinton model after all he promised will draw him a primary or third party challenge so fast in 2012 his head would spin.  

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He is moving to the center
The Jobs bill that the Senate is working consists entirely of $15 Billion worth of tax cuts and tax credits for small businesses. As for the health care bill, its present form actually looks a lot like what Republicans like Chuck Grassley were advocating for in June-July of 2009 (individual mandate, healthcare co-op instead of public option, etc..)

The real problem with his presidency so far is that he's moving to the center and not getting credit for it, so he has the worst of both worlds.


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Nate disproved that
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

And though people are skeptical of HCR they actually like most of the things that are actually in it.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls...


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Democrats gain two votes from retirements
Tanner and Baird both retired and voted against the first bill.  Now they have nothing to lose and have no excuse not to vote for it.  Kucinich will also have to vote for it.  

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Obama
mobilized certain groups of people to vote who usually don't give a **** about voting. Groups like young people and African Americans. For instance, Obama would not of won your state unless he brought out tons of young people and African Americans who were fired up about his candidacy to the polls in places like Lake County and Indianapolis. Also your party is fired up like Democrats were in 2006 and 2008. Obama and the Democrats will have to work on the older voters who vote with their pocketbooks to vote for them again because these voters always will turn out because they have more at stake than a college student who's still being supported by their parents.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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I don't know how you guys can't see the problems with his administration
His healthcare plan, the centerpiece of his first term, consistently polls at -10. You just lost in Massachusetts. Democrats are fleeing left and right. I suspect that none of this was part of the plan.

Obama's first year has been an enormous political fiasco. I thought that the Democrats would win Massachusetts, so perhaps my political instincts aren't as finely tuned as others', but it's hard for me to see how Obama can avoid losing both houses of Congress and reelection at the rate he's going.


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Oh there are problems
But the way you see it is a massive oversimplification. And if you think "Martha Coakley" is running in races nationwide in November you have another one coming.  

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Honestly?
The stimulus was, arguably, the biggest legislative accomplishment since FDR's New Deal, and it's also worth noting that even right now, President Obama is easily the closest president to achieve the goal of near-universal health care in the country.

While the Democrats might have some real trouble this election cycle, I'm still pretty confident that Obama will have no trouble winning re-election, just like a certain somebody who the Republicans love to make mention of every chance they get (give you a hint, it rhymes with Teagan :P)

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Massachusetts
was partly HCR and Obama, but at the end of the day I still think anyone but Coakley would have won by 10 points. We will not have Coakley's running in every competitive state. As for HCR, I think if we could just pass the dam thing it would be more popular (see Nate Silvers piece on HCR). I do blame Obama for losing control of the debate, and letting the disastrous town halls occur, I don't need to remind you of that one with Hill. However Obama still has plenty of time to come back, and I think he has learned his lesson. Don't get me wrong you stand a good chance of getting Congress back, but don't sound so optimistic yet, there is still 9 months left until the election. Also quoting Dick Cheney isn't the smartest thing to do.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I was at that town hall!
I found a lot of the booing inappropriate, but it clearly didn't go well for Baron Hill. Bravo to him for not backing away from his beliefs, though.

Anyways, poor candidates often win in blue states. Sheldon Whitehouse, Bob Menendez, Jon Corzine (2005), etc. Mike Capuano might've won (he certainly would've done better), but that's not really the point. The environment for Democrats is nightmarish right now, regardless of Coakley, and the sooner Obama recognizes that the better off you'll be.


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It is the point
Regardless of your spin it was clearly both.

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Of course you do
Just like the GOP thought Clinton would be from election night 1992 and especially after 1994. And I would argue his first year was at least as bad if not worse. I'm assuming you are older than eighteen else comparing your lifetime experience of first year presidencies is grossly unfair. Y'all are "misunderestimating" Obama as we did Bush. They will pass HCR without a public option and most rank and file Dems will be happy with that and take the win. I disagree totally with the blanket claim about turnout else Scott Murphy and Bill Owens could never have won. The economy will continue to improve throughout the year and significant job creation is coming very soon. I still see this as more 1978/1982 than 1994 and that 2012 will be 1984 redux in reverse.

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I'll give you Scott Brown, and that was a Coakley AND Obama problem
but Chris Christie's win was solely because of Corzine being immensely unpopular, we wouldve won that seat otherwise.

And as for the LA twin losses, that was during the time when Bush was still President and Obama was trying to transition without being presidential and stepping on Bush's toes.  His first act of his presidency that wasn't even really his presidency yet to be spent on campaigning in Lousiana, sounds entirely too risky  and would probably play-off poorly with the American people.


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The assumption
They have is "Bob McDonnell" is running in all these seats. More than a few will be "Doug Hoffman".

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That is an excellent point
Bob Dold probably will not beat Dan Seals, for example. Beth Coulson, the "Bob McDonnell" of the race, probably could have.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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the real reason for losses in Louisiana races
Was that disgruntled black Democratic candidates ran as independents for congress. Mike Jackson in La-6 and I can't remember the name of the person who ran in La-4. They siphoned off enough votes for the GOP to hold one and pick up the other.

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I don't agree that MA-Sen was really an "Obama" problem
As his own numbers via the exit polls were actually decent (58-42, or something to that affect).

LA-06 was a district that Obama lost by over 15 points, even if it wouldn't have come off as ridiculous, it would've still been ill advised for him to campaign there.

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It was Coakley and environment
Again, she wins mid-2009 doing exactly the same thing and somebody else running a proper campaign wins last month.

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well
Tis a shame Republicans aren't doing that well either seeing as they failed to hold a congressional seat that they had held continuously since the civil war

Male 21 Dem Ca's 1st  

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Yeah Never Mind Those House Specials


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Charlie Cook is playing the role of idiot reactionary


23, liberal democrat, SSP Gay Caucus Majority Whip, IN-02 (home), IN-03 (birth), SC-03 (early childhood), IN-09 (college);   DKos: HoosierD42

Care to elaborate?
Anybody who reads Charlie Cook knows he is not an idiot or a reactionary. Frankly, he is the gold standard for race ratings and quite good at it. Now, this does not mean he is infallible by any stretch, but I would still much prefer betting with Mr. Cook than against him. You can disagree with his analysis, but just using name calling adds nothing to the discussion.  

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Gold standard?
Not lately. Sabato was best in 2006 and Rothenberg in 2008. But I agree name calling is uncalled for.

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I always like to play the role of defender on this blog
and so to nit-pick and back HooiserDem up, he didnt necessarily call him an idiot reactionary, but more so that he is playing the role of one.  No actual name calling there  ;)

And I cant help with agree with that sentiment.  The entire MSM is running away with the message that the Democrats are doomed and have been doing so in a very irresponsible manner.  Duh, the Democrats are screwed in 2010, no doubt, but like someone said in an open thread over the past few days, the MSM even painting the Dodd retirement as adding to our doom and gloom, which is completely the opposite, only shows how message driven the MSM has become and less factual driven.  And what drives me more nuts, I cant pin it down to certain MSM outlets to just simply ignore because they all get it wrong and get it right at different times.

But Cilliza though, he is the worse......  He is one Id call an idiot reactionary, Ive never read a single Line of his without shaking my head at how incorrect it is.  Granted, Ive only ever read Cilliza's line and Ive decided to add all these prognosticators to my bookmarks so I can start being a bit more informed on how they report politics.

Ive got Cilliza, Rothenberg, Cook, Sabato, any other big timers I need to read?  (I feel like Im missing a 5th big one.)


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Uhh
I didn't write that comment. It was HoosierD42. However you are welcome to back me up whenever.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Cq also does race ratings
plus the times 2010 election map is nifty, but the one's you already have are by far the best IMO. I really like Cook and Rothenberg with Sabato also being high up there. I look to the fix more for info like the political wire or national journal's Hotline.  

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538.
He doesn't do house races but he has a race ratings chart for Senate now.  At least that was the case last time I was there.  I don't read it as regularly as I should.  I'm adding it to my hotbar right now!

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He predicted Senate races
in 2008, too. He did well. I think all the races he picked came out as he picked them, but of course he - like all the polls he was using for his calculations - was wildly wrong about the margin in Alaska.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Honestly
I think 538 and Swing State are the best. I think Cilizza is a joke. Mark Halperin and the guys at CQ aren't great either.

22, male, VA-10

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He's posted here before
Would you call him that to his face?

Maybe some of you have more respect for Nate Silver, who thinks a Republican majority in the House is at least a somewhat likely outcome:

There's More Than One Way to Lose a Majority

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Your comment
Suggests nobody has respect for Cook. People just disagree. Including the best professional prognosticators of the last two cycles. I see Nate also has a pretty wide spread in mind - 20 to 60 leaves lots of wiggle room.

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You misunderstood
I was specifically addressing HoosierD42 and his/her comment.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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if unemployment stays at 10 percent
I think Cook will turn out to be right.

Um, can we get facts right, please? It's already dropped below 10%......
It's down to 9.7 in January.  We don't know yet whether that's just meaningless oscillation or the start of a downward trend, but on the surface it's significant simply because a 0.3 change in one month is larger than what one normally sees with mere oscillation.

Repeat, we're not at 10% unemployment, we're at 9.7, and that's not a meaningless difference.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Eh, as much as I want to agree with you
It dropping below double digit unemployment hasnt really changed the meme whatsoever.  I think we are going to have to wait for some bigger, more meaningful drops I guess.  I was certainly in your camp when I first read that, but nothing really came of it.


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We are looking at this all wrong
It went down because of people giving up looking. So what happens next? The economy starts creating jobs so people start looking again and the rate goes up.

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That's not really true......
BLS uses several different unemployment measures, and discouraged workers who've given up are included in some of them.  The January numbers as I recall them showed the major more inclusive measure also showing an unemployment drop.

And we don't really know how fast discouraged workers jump back into job search mode when the economy starts creating jobs, so we don't know whether they reenter in large enough numbers to prevent the unemployment rate from dropping.

These things all are dynamic, it's really hard to guess.  For many months I correctly relied on the trend in weekly unemployment compensation claims to guess the trend in the unemployment rate for a given month.  Then for January, my little approach got blown up, with jobless claims rising but unemployment falling.  So the relationships between things that usually go together aren't even super-reliable.

All the economist forecasts think we're on the verge of very slow job growth.  There is informed speculation among experts that February could be bad because the massive snowstorms set back employers and job seekers, but even then it's expected to be a temporary blip that only delays the inevitable.

The only real question, if one believes the experts, is how slow job growth will be.  And in political terms, I think getting the official unemployment rate below 9% would do wonders for mitigating our midterm losses.  I just don't think sub-9 is likely, and I fear with unemployment over 9% and no health care law, we'll lose the House.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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It's mostly because too many on our side refuse to take it as good news
Really, it's like the left secretly wants to lose (I've enough 9.7% may as well be 10% from our side that it makes me want to puke).

It's one of those things that makes being a liberal really frustrating, we don't have nearly the discipline that conservatives have and it weakens us a lot.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Look at Growth Instead
The poli sci research has shown that for the last few decades unemployment actually isn't a very good measure when it comes to predicting how elections will turn out. The level of growth (or I suppose contraction) is a much better predictor.

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Instead of pushback against Rasmussen
I'd like to see more pushback against Cook. He is way too pessimistic against Dems at this stage, and his comments mean more to fundraisers and candidates than Rasmussen.  

Narrative pushing
or amateur hour. Looking at some of their house ratings shines some light on just how devoid of thought Cook's house editor David Wasserman seems to be. Here are some highlights h

1) Cao as a tossup - this is just flat out wrong, even in a year that is so bad for us that we lose 50+ seats, this seat will revert back to our column without the need to to life a finger (CQ and Rothenberg both have this as likely democrat so Cook's reasoning behind this one is beyond me)

2) Sutton as Lean D - reactionary nonsense, Ganley is certainly better than nothing but he's also a teabagger and over 95% of his CoH is from his own pocket. This district is D+5 and Sherrod Brown's old seat. Just because he made a sudden, last-minute race switch doesn't somehow throw this seat to Lean D.

3) Open seats for Berry and Ellsworth as Lean R - while Dems enjoyed quick recruitment successes in Bryles and Van Haaften, Republicans are stuck with some dude in AR1 and some only slightly better dude in IN8. It would seem that these two seats are almost the same situation as Tanner's open seat and there the GOP actually have a better candidate. But nothing pushes Cook's gloom and doom for Dems narrative better than a bunch of Dem seats in bold font sitting prominently in Republican columns.

4) The ridiculous number of Dem seats that are in the likely D column. This also seems to be designed to push the same narrative. Ross, Costa, Boyd, Bean, Carnahan, Wilson, Wu, and Larsen have no business being in the same column as actual likely D candidates such as Klein, Halvorson, Walz, Altmire, and Connolly who all represent swing districts and have drawn respectable opposition.

5) Mollohan as a tossup - If Mollohan is a tossup then you might as well say that Skelton, Boucher, Pomeroy, Edwards, and Lincoln Davis are all tossups. That an almost 30 incumbent can draw a second tier (at best) challenger and be moved to a tossup seems to indicate they are pushing the retirements of some of these long serving Dems.

That David Wasserman actually gets paid to come up with this crap is a crime. Either he willfully follows Cook's own opinions so increase the number of subscriptions, or these are simply the ratings of someone who has the reasoning ability of middle school dropout.


Thanks for taking the time to go through some of the ratings
I havent had a chance to look at them but now I know that I dont care to bother.

A toss-up LA-2, absolutely no way no how.  That seat is Likely Dem plain and simple (Id call it Safe if there wasnt a GOP incumbent).  And the likely D's you list (Wu and Carnahan being my WTF ones) makes me think Cook is off his rocker, or his staff is or whatever.

But at the same time, makes me wonder if he'll be the one whose right in the end and there having to be a thread called "Sorry Charlie".  He clearly predicting a very big GOP year that is very 1994-esque and we'll have to see if he is right.


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Cook has a largely stupid rule for incumbents......
Cook insists that he won't call it any worse than a tossup for the incumbent's party where an incumbent with no criminal or similarly devastating personal scandal is running for reelection.  Actually, I think the way he phrases the rule is an "unindicted incumbent" is a tossup at worst, but I imagine he'd bend that in the case of someone like Mark Foley or other similar scandal-plagued incumbent.

That's why he calls Cao a tossup.

Rothenberg has more bend than that, but even he calls Cao's seat only "leans" Dem, instead of "likely" Dem.

All these pundits are very reluctant to write off an incumbent almost no matter the circumstances.  They all seem to be more sensitive to the Don Young examples than the Jeb Bradley examples.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Cook bends that rule very rarely
Unless my memory has gone utterly haywire, I think he moved FL-24 to Lean Dem at the end of the cycle in 2008.

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He does take it too far
Calling KY-Sen Leans Republican while calling MS-Sen B a toss-up seemed to be for the only reason that the Republican "incumbent" in Mississippi had just been appointed (and considering that the polling showed McConnell with a closer race than Wicker).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to the power of incumbency school of thought
In congressional races, one thing that has been more and more true as time has gone on has been that fewer and fewer incumbents lose re-election over the years.

With that being said, even I think that Cook tends to go a bit overboard with it (if Cook called LA-02 "Leans Democratic", that could at least be justified, but not "Toss-up" as it completely ignores that Cao's election was based on things that will almost certainly not be true this time around).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Eh, I spose I am too
Kanjorski winning is what I like to point to when it comes to incumbency counting for a lot.

But yeah, no major metropolitan city with a PVI of D+25 and with a majority black population is going to vote in a Republican, period.  Cook is being a little silly on this call.


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Aw
that explains Cook having Don Johnson's race as a tossup in 1994. Before he lost by 30.

Although the October 1994 pdf of Cook's ratings was pretty generous to Dems. After all, who could have thought that a charismatic young Democratic President could preside over the loss of large majorities in his first mid-term after pursuing health care reform.


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Hit the nail on the head
They were slow to pick up on 1994 and again in 2006. They don't want a repeat. Then again, Cook might be making the same mistake in reverse.

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What!?!
Every single one of those is an utterly ridiculous call.

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Not all of these are really that bad
For Cao, people have mentioned the Cook incumbency rule so I won't waste any more typing on it.

Sutton as lean D is not that crazy, lean D means the Dem has a slight advantage. I don't care if it is only his own money, 1.3 million CoH vs 300k for the Incumbent signals it could get pretty testy. Also note that Ganley is not pro free trade so that helps him. D+5 is not immune if the cycle is bad.

Both of those districts are R+8 territory, are open, and lets remember that this cycle will almost definitely benefit the Republicans.

The number isn't ridiculous if Cook thinks the House could flip. Ross and Boyd aren't in districts with friendly PVIs. Larsen, Wilson, Bean, and Costa are in swingyish districts. Wu and Carnahan both have challengers that are raising a good deal of money. They are all less likely to flip then the others you have mentioned but the Likely D is more a on the to barely on the radar category.

Mollohan has 64K CoH in an R+9 district in which Obama is probably about as popular as the plague. The last part may, I still think it is slightly plausible, be hyperbole but the dude has serious money problems and not having a lot of moolah this cycle will be deadly for many Dem politicians. I can see rating it as Lean D, but it is not a Likely D race.

So no I don't think it is ridiculous that he gets paid to make those predictions  


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I buck the conventional wisdom
American voters are slow, but by November they will probably figure out that it's the Republicans' fault, not the Democrats', that nothing got done.
I still think the Democrats will lose some seats, because they are behaving like wimps, and nobody respects a wimp. Strong Democrats like Grayson, Perriello, and Massa will get reelected, while more timid Democrats like Reid will get defeated.
Also the sooner Obama stops trying to be bipartisan, then better the Democrats will do in November. He should tell Republicans he'll extend his hand when they unclench their fist.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

corollary
Dems could lose something like 40 seats if they pass a mandate with no public option.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

[ Parent ]
Oh please
Take the public option stuff eleswhere. It kills every discussion.

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Agree, not with not debating the PO at all
But more so that it doesnt matter, as of now.  People have no idea what HCR entails, all they know is that it is bullshit, plain and simple.  Distinguishing between mandate and PO I think matters very little as of now for the public.

I think later on once we get our shit together on HCR, then we can start being more on point with messaging and these policy points making a difference.  But that's the problem we as Democrats have publicly been battling for so long, we aren't on the same message so we cant really convince anyone of anything because we are being confusing SOB's.


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Not being on the same page has really destroyed us......
You hit the nail on the head, Andrew.  Whether it's Blue Dogs attacking the public option or the millionaire tax or abortion, or liberals attacking the Cadillac tax or the lack of a public option, it's our own side, the Democrats, guilty of negative messaging on Democratic health care proposals at least as much as Republicans, teabaggers, adn other reform opponents.

I've said for many months that that's why reform legislation is so unpopular, and why so many Democratic incumbents are in such deep jeopardy this fall.

We've been our own worst enemies.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Internals
People like Cook are more privy to private polling than even most reporters. He probably gets a dozen or two every day. He must be seeing something for him to make such a statement. That being said, Rothenberg and Sabato have the same access he does but their predictions are more optimistic for Dems.

Who knows at the point?


Maybe he is more inclined to believe POS
Than they are.

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I don't agree with all of Cook's analyses
But it seems that he's taking a holistic view, and not a race-by-race view, in determining that Dems will lose the House. If you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, it's not pretty at all.

[ Parent ]
The comment there is a joke
But the main argument is persuasive.  

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I think when it comes to Dem-turnout
the Obama factor has definitely been left untapped and that where Cook and other prognosticators will go wrong is in Dem turn-out and enthusiasm.

I just got done reading The Audacity to Win by Obama's campaign manager and throughout the book, there are two themes, one is when we didnt play by the rule book we won/exceeded our expectations.  And two, our volunteers are the most die-hard group of volunteers to grace politics and we can do whatever we want because we know we have the core group of volunteers to make it happen.  It is how they won Iowa, they expanded the playing field and got young people out to caucus.  It's how they had so much freaking money and why their volunteer base was off the charts, because of my generation.

Getting Obama donators to donate to other candidates will be extremely tough when it comes to college students and AA.  When it comes to volunteering and voting, Obama will be able to wield the power of the AA community no doubt.  Him threatening Rep. Bishop to personally door-knock AA communities in Brooklyn and the Bronx on behalf of Gillibrand to me says he is willing to go there.  To put it bluntly, the AA community is in the pocket of Obama; he is the first black president and even whities like me practically revere him as a god for being the first.  If he calls, the AA community will answer.

The college students, on the other hand, were both the volunteer crew and the fundraising crew.  The book said that Obama's two big groups for fundraising were retirees and college students, which is pointed out as probably being the most awkward pairing in political fundraising history.  I think Obama is going to have a much much much tougher time mobilizing college students than he did in 2008 because we wont be working for him, we'd be working for our gubernatorial, senatorial, and congressional candidates.  But, I do think he is heavily revered for two reasons.  College students, in a world where they question all authority, believe Obama to be on their side and to really wanting to change the system and make it seem less retarded seeming.  Second, I also think there could be a "first black president effect".  We are quite socially liberal, wanting to support the first black president I think could be quite ingrained in us after hearing so many of our older relatives still calling them colored people and such.


To some extent
Particularly with blacks. I just don't think many of his casual voters understand the stakes and won't vote in November accordingly. Hell, many liberals don't or won't understand the stakes.  

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