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SSP Daily Digest: 1/28

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM EST


AR-Sen: Despite the seemingly imminent entry of Rep. John Boozman into the GOP field in the Arkansas Senate race, soon-to-be-former-frontrunner state Sen. Gilbert Baker says he's staying in the race. The alternative would be to run for Baker, who represents Little Rock suburbs, to run for the open seat in AR-02 instead - but there he'd face a tough primary against Beltway GOP favorite Tim Griffin, who's already established a solid fundraising foothold. (Some of the seven dwarves in the GOP field, who seem concentrated in the state's right-leaning northwest, may be interested in switching to Boozman's open seat in AR-03, though.) And unbelievably, yet another Republican is interested in getting in the Senate race: former NFL player Jim Lindsey is readying for a bid. Lindsey is a real estate developer and former University of Arkansas trustee.

AZ-Sen: Sarah Palin is still dancin' with the one who brung her. She announced yesterday that she'll appear on behalf of John McCain, who plucked her from near-obscurity and is now needs a favor of his own as he's facing a primary challenge from the right from ex-Rep. J.D. Hayworth. Needless to say, this provoked a lot of disappointment from her supporters among the teabagging set, who would prefer to see her stab McCain in the back and then field dress him.

CO-Sen: With right-wingers filled with antipathy toward establishment choice ex-Lt. Gov. Jane Norton, there's been a lot of casting about for an alternative. Weld County DA Ken Buck seems more and more like he'll be that guy, as he's been making common cause with the Paulists, who are now planning to pay for a statewide advertising campaign on Buck's behalf. Meanwhile, on the Dem side, primary challenger Andrew Romanoff is trying to energize his sleepy campaign with a big hire - pollster Celinda Lake, whose previously sterling reputation got driven off a cliff with her handling of the Martha Coakley campaign.

CT-Sen: There's not much left to see for the 2010 race, but everyone's thinking ahead to 2012, with the new rumor afoot that - with the Senate Kennedy-free for the first time in more than half a century - Ted Kennedy Jr. may run against Joe Lieberman in 2012. Lieberman himself is up to his usual asshattery, speculating out loud that he could conceive of becoming a Republican, and also saying that he might support Linda McMahon in the 2010 race... seeing as how Richard Blumenthal (tepidly) supported Lamont in the 2006 general while McMahon supported Lieberman. Apparently Lieberman learned his politics from watching the Godfather: it's not business. Just personal. (Lieberman also seems to be a believer in leaving the cannoli, and taking the guns.)

FL-Sen: In the wake of new polling showing him falling behind Marco Rubio in the GOP Senate primary, the questions are getting louder about whether Charlie Crist might consider running as an independent instead. He said no to that idea... but people are noticing he didn't rule out switching parties altogether. With Crist appearing side-by-side with Barack Obama today in Florida (something he wouldn't consider doing if he saw any hope in trying to compete with Rubio - who just got the endorsement of ur-conservative Steve Forbes -- on conservative bona fides alone), could that actually be a consideration? If so, he'd need to switch parties by April 30.

MA-Sen: There are a couple more retrospectives worth reading on Massachusetts, as people try to make sense of the mixed messages sent by exit polls (with one particularly intriguing tidbit: 52% of Scott Brown voters approved of Ted Kennedy's performance). Mark Blumenthal also looks at the shift in polling over the last few weeks, wondering again about the differing results gotten by live interviewers vs. robocallers, while also pointing to questions of how much pollsters' views of a race can actually change the overall momentum of the race (fundraising and perception-wise) and thus become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And get ready for the teabaggers' week-long love affair to end very soon: Scott Brown (who apparently has some self-preservation instincts) just served notice on the GOP that he won't always vote with them.

ND-Sen: This isn't going to make the teabaggers any happier: Gov. John Hoeven, now running for the Senate, joined the Democratic Party in 1996 (at a time when he was head of North Dakota's state-owned bank), ditching them in 2000 for his gubernatorial run. With Hoeven already on their naughty list for his insufficiently anti-government stances, now he's just going to get more wrath.

NH-Sen: Former AG Kelly Ayotte is wielding an internal poll by the Tarrance Group that gives her a big edge in the GOP primary against her challengers. She leads Ovide Lamontagne, coming at her from the right, 43-11. Random rich guys Bill Binnie and Jim Bender clock in at 5 and 3 apiece. No general election numbers were released.

NV-Sen: One more disastrous poll for Harry Reid, which came out from Research 2000 a few days ago. This poll closely echoed one from PPP a few weeks ago that tested alternative Democrats, and finds that only Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman beats the Republicans (while Rep. Shelly Berkley and SoS Ross Miller don't fare much better than Reid). Unfortunately, this was all rendered moot a few days ago by Goodman's announcement that he wasn't going to run for either Governor or Senator. Reid loses 52-41 to Danny Tarkanian and 51-42 to Sue Lowden. Berkley loses 46-40 to Tarkanian and 45-40 to Lowden, while Miller loses 44-36 to Tarkanian and 43-37 to Lowden. Goodman beats Tarkanian 44-41 and Lowden 44-40. Rep. Dina Titus, facing a tough re-election of her own, doesn't seem to think much of Reid's chances anymore: she publicly said "Reid is done; he's going to lose."

NY-Sen-B: One other Research 2000 poll to talk about: they looked at the Democratic primary in New York, and find about what everyone else has found. Kirsten Gillibrand leads ex-Rep. Harold Ford Jr. by a 41-27 margin (with 3 for Jonathan Tasini), looking solid but still with a ton of undecideds. This also exists merely at the level of rumor, but with the potential presence of Ford scrambling things for the ever-so-briefly-thought-to-be-safe Gillibrand, sources say that Democratic Rep. Steve Israel (who got dissuaded from a primary challenge) and Republican ex-Gov. George Pataki (who hasn't sounded interested until now) are both giving the race a little more consideration.

PA-Sen, PA-Gov (pdf): Franklin & Marshall's previous polls in Pennsylvania have tended to have unusually high undecideds, suggesting that they don't do any pushing of leaners at all - but this may have reached an all-time high with their new poll. Most notably, they find Allegeheny Co. Exec Dan Onorato completely dominating the Democratic gubernatorial primary... at 10% (more than doubling up on Jack Wagner, Joe Hoeffel, and Chris Doherty, all at 4)! They also find similarly low numbers in the Senate race, where Republican ex-Rep. Pat Toomey leads incumbent Dem Arlen Specter 45-31 and Rep. Joe Sestak 41-19 (?!?), and where Specter beats Sestak in the primary 30-13. (They didn't do a general election poll in the Governor's race, but find Republican AG Tom Corbett leading his remaining rival, state Rep. Sam Rohrer, 23-5 in the primary.)

UT-Sen: The Mason-Dixon poll that gave us some (not so good) gubernatorial results also threw in some vague questions about the Senate race too. Incumbent Bob Bennett leads a Generic R in the primary, 46-27, and a Generic D 53-26 in the general. Nevertheless, Bennett drew yet another primary opponent, albeit someone seemingly of the Some Dude variety: local businessman Christopher Stout.

WI-Sen: Wherever there's a vacillating Republican needing convincing to get into a Senate race, there's Rasmussen. (Whaddya wanna bet they have a Patty Murray/Dave Reichert poll in the field right now?) Contrary to PPP's view of the race, Rasmussen finds ex-Gov. Tommy Thompson leading incumbent Dem Russ Feingold, 47-43. They find Feingold with a perplexingly low 47/48 approval.

CT-Gov: Is ex-Rep. Chris Shays looking to get into the Governor's race? Suddenly, it sounds like he's at least thinking about it, saying he'd like to do it but not sure if it's feasible. He's currently in Washington as head of the Wartime Contracting Commission, meaning he'd need to re-establish his Connecticut residency, but given his long-time popularity in his district (which eventually got too blue for him to hold) he might have a leg up on the so-so GOPers already in the field.

FL-Gov: Quinnipiac released the gubernatorial half of its Florida poll yesterday, finding that Republican AG Bill McCollum has a somewhat bigger lead on Democratic CFO Alex Sink, 41-31 (McCollum led 36-32 in October). Sink leads state Sen. Paula Dockery 35-29, but considering that McCollum leads Dockery 44-6 in the GOP primary, that configuration doesn't seem likely.

MI-Gov: Two guys who had been unlikely candidates for the Democratic nomination for Governor both announced they wouldn't run. Rep. Bart Stupak is the big name to say "no," which is good as far as the DCCC is concerned, as he's needed to hold down the fort in his R+3 district. The other is Detroit Pistons head of basketball operations Joe Dumars, who probably realized he'd get pretty banged up out there without Bill Laimbeer to run interference for him. One other interesting rumor of who might run, though, is ex-Rep. Joe Schwarz, the GOP moderate who got bounced out in a 2006 Club for Growth-fueled primary by Tim Walberg. And get this... he's talking about running as an independent. Could he actually peel off enough center-right votes for the Dems to salvage this race?

NY-Gov: Research 2000's New York poll also looked at the Democratic gubernatorial primary, finding AG Andrew Cuomo defeating incumbent David Paterson, 63-19. Paterson is laboring under 34/54 approvals. The GOP primary to see who gets flattened by Cuomo is looking pretty uneventful: Erie Co. Exec Chris Collins, who continued to express vague interest despite having gaffed his way out of contention several months ago, finally pulled the plug on his exploratory committee. That leaves ex-Rep. Rick Lazio as the only major GOPer in the race, to few people's enthusiasm.

TX-Gov: Looks like Gov. Rick Perry isn't much of a fan of the librul media, or at least he realizes that his key demographics aren't really the newspaper-reading types. He's decided not to sit for editorial board interviews prior to their pre-primary endorsements.  

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what's that smell?
coming out of Wisconsin?  No, it's not moldy two week old cheese, its Scotty Rass with another poll covered in sh...err...poop.

47/48 favorables for Feingold?  Sheesh.  Even Charlie Cook has this one at Solid D.

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


I was just telling a friend today, two things
Rasmussen either leans right or off far to the right... Now it appears to be the latter.  

The other being how remarkable it is that Feingold has been void of any favorability flops like every other politician in the nation.  And how I wasn't worried about the potential (albeit unlikely) return of TT.  


[ Parent ]
CA-Gov: Campbell, Whitman ahead for GOP nods; Brown, Boxer only slightly ahead
Can Campbell raise enough to play in the Senate race?
I know he dropped his governor bid because he was getting squeezed out by the deep pockets of Whitman and Poizner. He's already lost two Senate races (one primary and a general election, if I recall correctly). Now he walks into a primary with another deep-pocketed loon (Carlyfornia Dreamin') and a less well-funded but crazier wingnut with the DeMint seal of approval (DeVore). Maybe he can split the vote and win, but DeVore will get the national teabagger money while Carly has the support of the national party.

Running for the Senate will be even more expensive than a gov's race. What makes him think donors are going to want to sink their money into another race when Boxer will surely be the best-funded Senate candidate in the country?  


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That's
my question as well. Campbell has a moderate profile, which in theory would make him a very formidable candidate in the general. But he isn't a good fundraiser, Carlyfornia Delusion has set her sights on Campbell blasting out press releases with lines like these:

Meanwhile, Tom Campbell's performance in both the primary and the general election matchups shows his electoral weakness, despite the higher name recognition that comes with having run for office nine times before. Once voters learn about his record championing higher taxes and bigger government, his support will erode quickly

But once voters learn that Tom has spent the last five years supporting increased government spending and higher taxes and now refuses to commit to voting against more tax increases in the Senate, we expect his numbers to fall fast - just like Martha Coakley's did in Massachusetts.

Mmm...being compared to Martha Coakley, not good. He should of stayed in the governor's race, he might of been able to sneak through the primary like Creigh Deeds did when Moran and McAulliffe went hyper negative on each other.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
With the recent Supreme Court Decision...
...perhaps we should be asking how much money Campbell Soup is willing to spend instead?

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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When Snarlen Arlen Changed parties, he solidly went left
If Crist does a switcheroo, I hope that is the case as well.  I really wish someone would run some numbers on him in the democratic primary.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Not really.
Arlen didn't start to go left really until Sestak pushed him left.  Remember his opposition to the EFCA or his cheerleading for Norm Coleman?

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
Yes, much of it is attributable to Sestak
But also, it would have looked really, really bad if Specter reversed all his position upon becoming a Democrat; it makes him seem unprincipled (which he is).

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Well in his extremely lame defense
He did say sorry and said him saying he supported Norm was a big slip-up about as he has to get his rhetoric right on issues like that now having switched parties.  So while a Sestak didnt push him to change his mind there, it does show how lame our politicians can be when they have no real opinion.

[ Parent ]
an even more lame defense
Spector does have an opinion, his opinion is that he should be reelected at all costs.

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I think the best shot
we have is if Crist is the republican nominee. He will be bloodied up from the primary plus his approvals are lowering, and I think if he is the nominee he will not be able to get his base out and he will not be as popular among independents or moderate democrats. However this is not going to happen, because he will likely loose the primary. However I suppose if he does switch we will have a better shot than if Meek is the nominee.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Well, and Meek has clearly been wanting his out
Isnt his mom or grandma running for this seat again to hold it for 2 years so that younger Meek can run for it again.

He got in way over his head and was, well, sadly too ambitious for the state he lives in and maybe he'll retreat back to his seat and say, we as a Democratic Party know this is our chance to elect a moderate to the Senate to represent moderate Florida, instead of a radical Republican like Rubio.

This should be discussed and worked on between relevant FL Dem officials.  I cant help but feel like Crist, even as he is now, would almost be to the left of several of our current Senators.  Granted, I dont want him to get comfy and feel like coming out, he is definitely NOT the person who should get the honor of first out GLBT Senator.  (Barney Frank!  Barney Frank!)


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Jarod Polis or Tammy Baldwin if you ask me
Barney is a bit old for the Senate. I really don't know if Crist is gay or not, I am not from Florida and I really don't know. Is Meek's grandma really running for his seat, could you give me a link on that one? I know she was the rep there before but she is in her eighties, and I really don't remember hearing it. I am not a huge Crist fan, but I think he would be MUCH better that Rubio.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I'm not sure Polis or Baldwin could win statewide
Of Polis and Baldwin... I'd say Baldwin is the more likely by a hair, but only because Wisconsin seems a bit more blue. I could, however, see either of them as Speaker of the House one day, which is probably what each them should be going for. Here's the thing:

I've not slept with Charlie Crist, but I firmly believe he's a dude who's into dudes. Coming out and becoming a Democrat might actually be the smartest political move Crist could make right now. An incendiary idea, perhaps, but follow me on this....

I think Crist's probably not going to win the primary--Republicans think they can win with Rubio, so why send Crist to the Senate when they can have a "real conservative?"

So Crist either goes independent (super-risky) or becomes a Democrat (less risky). The only rationale I see that would make his move not seem nakedly political is coming out. No way an out gay man wins a Republican primary, but he wants to serve the people, and so he's becoming a Democrat.

He moves a bit to the left on social issues (esp. the gay ones), stays "fiscally conservative", and presents himself as the same moderate, pragmatic guy he always was, and boom, he's humanized, authenticized, and has a bulletproof cover on the "why would he switch parties?" question.

And the GLBTs can win Democratic primaries. Especially ones with a solid electoral record, high name rec, and millions in the electoral bank  (and that's before the inevitable pink cash flow starts up--ka-ching, Cristy baby!)  He'd be the first openly-gay Senator and go down in history (which is what all powerful folks desire, no?)... and personally, this gay at least, is pragmatic enough to forgive that (decades-long) closeted spell where he was Republican.

Seriously, though, can anyone think of a reason that would better to cover the inevitable charges of political whoredom that comes from switching parties?

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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Doesn't he have a wife?
A messy divorce doesn't sound like a great way to start off a new political campaign. I guess he could be bi, I really could not say, I have never seen outrage, or heard any of the stories. It would be nice to see Florida in play again.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Yes, he has a wife
His second wife, actually. Though he divorced the first wife after a year or so. In the early 1980s.

But his current wife, Carole Rome, she literally and actually runs a beard-manufacturing company. No seriously.

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/...

Beard. Think about it.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Why do you think Florida could elect an out gay Senator?
Sure, he might be able to win the Democratic primaries that way, but it would cause a scandal for a married man to admit he's gay, and Florida voted in an anti-gay State Constitutional Amendment in 2008, did it not?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Gay candidates outperform gay-related ballot measures
I appreciate the pessimism and believe me I share a good chunk of it, Pan, but simply put, voting for an anti-gay amendment is different from votes regarding a specific person--like the Governor of your state.

And perhaps a bigger scandal might be that he didn't even bother to spend his first anniversary with his wife?

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach....

In my view, anti-incumbent cycles mean voters have more patience for liberals (or gays or socialists or people-who-arent-your-religion) than liars (or sellouts, the corrupt, the nakedly political and/or lazy incumbents).

Look, I'm not saying this wouldn't be among the hardest political manuevers in the history of American politics--because I think it would be--I'm just saying that it would probably be easier than beating Rubio in the Republican primary at this point.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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That's not the alternative
I'm not saying this wouldn't be among the hardest political manuevers in the history of American politics--because I think it would be--I'm just saying that it would probably be easier than beating Rubio in the Republican primary at this point.

He could become an Independent on the basis that he sees his party becoming the refuge of extremists and no longer recognizes it, whereas he's beholden to nobody and has always been an independent voice of moderate conservatism and is just making it official now, or something, without openly acknowledging that he's gay.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Kate Brown (OR SoS) could, but
no Oregon Senate seats are open; Wyden just turned 60 and could serve at least another couple of terms.

Both Wyden and Merkley are good progressives, so there's no excuse to primary them either.

Besides her SoS gig, Brown has great credentials from her time as OR Senate Majority Leader.


[ Parent ]
Is she gay?
I thought she was married.  

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Married and bisexual, n/t


[ Parent ]
I thought that honor
went to Larry Craig.  Unless you're talking about the first openly GLBT senator.

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Oh please
I am sure there have been dozens and dozens of closeted gay senators. Larry Craig is probably like the fiftieth gay Senator.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
For further reference, see KING, William R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
Openly-gay Senator
That's the key.

We already have Lindsey Graham currently.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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I know
Merely noting that there have been gay U.S. Senators for practically as long as there's been a U.S. Senate.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
And don't forget...
Minority leader Miss McConnell!

Actually, Mikulski is all-but "out." Talk to anyone on her staff, and they all say that she's openly gay. She's just never held a press conference to announce it.

Isn't Herb Kohl "mostly" out too?



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It doesn't count
I had no idea about Mikulski....in looking up info about her, I just have to say, how adorable is Mikulski! She's also teacup-sized!

But no, it doesn't count unless there's a People cover involved....that's the bar now, right? Actually, I'd settle for an offhand comment to a reporter, honestly. But how awesome would it be if the first woman elected to the Senate in her own right was a tiny, grandmotherly lesbian?

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Ellen Sauerbraes
(the failed GOP gubernatorial candidate from the '90s) tried to make an issue of it when she was running against Mikulski in Mikulski's first Senate run. Mikulski did some somewhat stiff photo ops with hunky firefighters and the subject dropped like a stone (and has never come up publicly since). Mikulski is a 75-year-old Polish-American woman; I don't think she'd be comfortable being the poster child for gays and lesbians in political office, even if it's an open secret among her friends and colleagues.

(Also, the first woman Senator elected in her own right is Margaret Chase Smith, right? Her husband was a politician, but never a Senator.)


[ Parent ]
In her own right
Margaret Chase Smith got elected to her husband's congressional seat when he had a heart attack. To me, that's not quite "in her own right". Yeah, she was able to move up to the Senate more or less on her own, but she got her initial seat because of her husband.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

[ Parent ]
That was Linda Chavez, the Republican talking head, not Sauerbrey


[ Parent ]
Was President James Buchanan gay?
I know, not a Senator, and definitely not out....

[ Parent ]
Actually, was a Senator from 1834 to 1845
The historical evidence seems pretty inconclusive. On the one hand, he was briefly engaged, and was rumored to be somewhat of a ladies man. Then again, there was the lifelong bachelorhood, and the 'special' relationship with "Miss Nancy" King...

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
Honor schmonor
With all due respect, I just want my civil rights and if it takes Charlie Crist coming out and getting the first-GLBT-Senator honor to obtain those rights, then so be it.

Pragmatism, progressives, it's what's for breakfast.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Re Celinda Lake
I believe she also worked for the "No on 8" people.  

Thoughts
*I'm really excited about the notion of Crist as a Democrat.  It would turn an all-but unwinnable seat into a real race.  I've said it before, but I'd welcome Crist into the Democratic Party with open arms.

*To put another Ted Kennedy in the Senate would be awesome.  If Ted, Jr. has half the compassion and intelligence of his old man (and I know he does, and then some,) he'd make a hell of a Senator.

*I enjoyed the Laimbeer reference.

*Have we seen any polling of Bill White versus Rick Perry yet?  


Yes
Perry led by 10, 50-40 and Hutchinson had a much better lead over White, but she is not getting traction in the primary.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Re: MA-Sen
Mark Blumenthal pretty well articulated the suspicion I've held all along.

Somehow, I just cannot shake the feeling that Scott Rasmussen, almost single-handedly, changed the trajectory of this race.

Male, 23, DC-At Large


Except that PPP said it was close first (IIRC)


[ Parent ]
I don't think so
IIRC, what touched this off was the Rasmussen poll taken about two weeks before the election that showed a "close race" - i.e., a 9 point Coakley lead. The PPP poll showing Brown ahead by a point came the following weekend.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
One 9 point poll couldn't have meant much
And anyway, it was still a substantial lead. For me, the alarm bells only went off with PPP.  

[ Parent ]
Substantively, I agree with you
But it was that single poll that sparked the popular "Massachusetts Miracle in the Works?" narrative - just go back and check out Taegan Goddard, Politico, TPM, etc. Everyone anticipated a healthy, double-digit lead on Coakley's part, and when Rasmussen showed otherwise, alarm bells went off everywhere. And IIRC, even Rassy himself was quoted as saying that he didn't remember the last time a single poll had such an impact on a race.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
I guess it's possible
Personally, I don't follow the breathless or watch much (any, really) cable news. In isolation, I wouldn't have taken Ras standing alone to mean much.

But can stupid people start a destructive and self-fulfilling narrative? Sure can. I haven't forgotten the 2000 election.  


[ Parent ]
I believe it
Back before the polling, when I read RedState, it was kind of like, meh give if you can we wont win anyway.  And then it was like bam!  Giant money bomb in one day putting himself well in range of Coakley's money advantage and being able to air all the ads he needed.

Everyone seeing that it could happen made it happen and Ras provided that.  Well unless PPP came out with a poll first, but they all lead to people giving Brown that extra push and momentum to win it.  It all came perfectly together against a candidate who was unprepared.  


[ Parent ]
Yeah, but that seems like the Chicken or the Egg argument to me
I read the Blumenthal article too, and it only mentions Rassmussen in passing. In any event, one thing that I think you're overlooking is that the NRSC had a poll from back in December that indicated it might be a close race long before the Rasmussen poll came out. What seems to be implied here is that Rassmussen cost the Dem this seat by showing a close race, which caused a snowball effect. But how is that Rassmussen's fault?

This is probably the subject for a diary, but I have never seen proof on this site or any other that Rassmussen fakes its polls (a la Strategic Vision) when it comes to horse race results (I know on issues polls, they are considerably more slippery). I feel we ignore Rassmussen at our peril. Also, for those who say that Rassmussen is bad because they smoke out Republicans to run against Democrats who might be vulnerable, doesn't PPP do the same thing (look at their polls on Burr)?  


[ Parent ]
Over a month out, few people would take an NRSC poll showing a close race in MA too seriously...
...whereas Rasmussen, rightly or wrongly, carries credibility.

I certainly think the argument would be a very difficult one to prove. And I don't think anyone - myself included - could credibly allege that Rasmussen out-and-out falsifies data. Clearly, however, the "likely voter" screen they have long used is one that disproportionately favors Republicans. Based on recent election returns, this may well be an accurate assumption on their part, but it also may to an extent feed into the "self-fulfilling prophecy" effect.

Also, taking Rasmussen's personal leanings aside, I think the 2010 Massachusetts Senate race is an interesting case to study for those examining the more general effects of polling on electoral outcomes.

Male, 23, DC-At Large


[ Parent ]
But see
the NY-23 special election.  

[ Parent ]
Or even the 2008 New Hampshire Democratic Presidential Primary
Point taken. Just saying that its a variable to potentially take into consideration.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
Scott was relatively kind to Martha
...showing her up 9 points on January 4 and up 2 points on January 11 after PPP had already showed a lead for Brown.  Two days later Suffolk released a poll showing Brown up 4 points.

[ Parent ]
The point is...
... that Rasmussen's nine-point-lead-for-Coakley poll came with a highly-touted "RACE IS TIGHTENING! RACE IS TIGHTENING!" narrative.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
Aside from Coakley being Coakley
the 9 point Ras poll changed the nature of the race.

Rasmussen has been the most important political figure of the past five months, by far.  

Democrats will wake up to the power of polling "strongest D candidates" in, oh, maybe five years.


[ Parent ]
One of biggest
mistakes Democrats made in that race was having a quiet primary. If it had been a free for all, Coakley would of collapsed quickly and the Democrat who came out of the primary would of been ready to face Hurricane Scott Brown.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Coakley really didnt have to do anything in the primary
she just sat at 50% and then took a 10% hit when the ads started flying.  Done deal.

[ Parent ]
That's because the race was, in fact, tightening!
Rasmussen was simply reporting a trend that other pollsters were also finding.  Rasmussen does seem to have some house bias in their likely voter screen and perhaps some other factors.  The point is that the Massachusetts race simply does not demonstrate that.

[ Parent ]
And my point is...
... we may never know for sure whether or not Rasmussen and other pollsters were reflecting trends or contributing to the shaping of trends - I think, more likely than not, it was some combination of the two. Yes, the race probably was tightening to a degree, but there should be little doubt that the sudden emergence of public polling showing as much led to a late surge in fundraising and visibility for Brown that greatly boosted his viability as a candidate - this, in my opinion, is probably what ultimately pushed him over the edge.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

[ Parent ]
No
The Rasmussen poll came out before those other polls.

[ Parent ]
Yeah
And remember Jensen even said just before it was released that they would only poll it the following weekend if Rasmussen showed it close. I even joked on here that it meant PPP would definitely have to poll since Scott always shows Repubs close.

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Godfather references
Was mixing up your Godfather references intentional?  It's not personal, it's strictly business.  And... leave the gun, take the cannoli.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

Yes, yes it was.
The point was that Lieberman is taking the entirely wrong approach to politics...hence a misreading of The Godfather.

I feel your pain, though.  Internet sarcasm is hard.  :)


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Worst reference
A story dated January 25 says that a Gloucester County, NJ man was arrested for sending a horse's head to the new president of the state senate.  It was a toy horse's head but The Godfather reference was clear.

Since he was arrested, there are limits to Godfather imagery.


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NY-Sen
How likely is it that Pataki enters the race in ny? He might finally be getting the hint that he dosen't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the rep nomination for president in 2012.  If he entered it would immidiately turn the race into a toss-up.  

Doubtful, although to be fair, he has yet to officially rule it out


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[ Parent ]
State Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb
is eyeing the race...that seems to hint to me Pataki isn't likely to get in.  

[ Parent ]
Not anymore
He said he won't run (Kolb)
Word is that if Ford looks like he could be a big threat to Gilly, Pataki will run  

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If Pataki
doesn't run I could see Ford winning as a independent against Gillibrand and a third tier republican. He could pull a Joe LIEberman and get most of the republican vote, some democratic, the wall street vote, and the black vote. It is not impossible.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Sure
he and Lieberman can form the Senate a**holes caucus together. But seriously, Ford must be kept away from the senate at all costs.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Really?
I am sure you were not saying "Ford must be kept away from the senate at all costs" in 2006!

So please give the Ford slandering a rest. Let's be clear Gillibrand's House record was as conservative as Ford's was. She was anti-immigration reform and pro-NRA.

She had a Specter like conversion when Patterson made her a US Senator.

So it is understandable why so many New Yorkers are scepticale of her.

The real shame is the White House muscled out any primary competition to her. So other than an out of stater with nothing to loose like Ford no on else step up to challange her.

A real primary would have either strengthen her (because at least she would have beaten a strong contender for the seat giving her some legitamacy going into the general) or put up a better candidate for the fall.

The Gilly vs unknown carpetbagger really doesn't help things out.

P.S. What the Dems should really fear is that Ed Cox pulls some kind of miracle and convinces Colin Powell to run for Senate from New York.
   

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Powell?
Yeah, like that is going to happen. And I think you'll find Ford was far more conservative than Gillibrand if you compare their House voting records in their entirity.

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Ford then and now
We supported Ford in 2006 because with Tennessee's conservative lean, a DLCer like Ford was the best option we were gonna get.  He would be a total waste in New York however, as we could have a much more progressive Senator (same goes for voter rage at Lieberman in Connecticut).  And knock Gillibrand for her change all you want, at least she was completely upfront about it and gave a plausible reason in that she was representing a much more liberal constituency.

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Ford fits fine in Tennessee
not in New York.  

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No way can Ford win
He has no appeal to New Yorkers, and if it's necessary to run ads against him, all you have to do is play footage of him talking about how it counts that he visited Staten Island because he touched down there in a helicopter, and playing "before" and "after" footage of his formerly very socially right-wing views against gays, abortion, etc. Not a chance, and I suppose the only reason he's running is an outsized sense of vanity.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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GA-04: Johnson dominating in internal poll
GA
Johnson is a good Democrat no?  I assume Jones is hitting him from the right?

29/D/Male/NY-01

[ Parent ]
Didn't Jones lose DeKalb in the primary runoff last year?
I expect Johnson to wipe the floor with him.  

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Rasmussen on IA-Sen
One day Iowa poll from January 26, 500 respondents, margin of error 4.5 percent.

Grassley 59, Conlin 31
Grassley 59, Krause 26
Grassley 61, Fiegen 25

"Conlin performs best among Democratic voters, but all three Democrats lose anywhere from 22% to 30% of their own party's vote to Grassley. The Republican carries voters not affiliated with either party by more than 35 points against any of the Democrats."

This is Grassley's to lose, but it's worth noting that he has never been re-elected with less than 66 percent of the vote. He starts this race already below 60.


Grassley
Grassley is secure.  It is interesting considering how much buzz there was over Conlin that she does little better than the no-names.  I always thought being the losing Democratic nominee for governor in 1982 really didn't qualify her as an "A" recruit.  I think the excitement had more to do with her trial lawyer connections and ability to raise more campaign cash then previous Grassley opponents.  Unless Grassley completely implodes Conlin has no real chance.  BTW an incumbent running at or near 60% with the economy in the dumper is as about as safe as can be expected.

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I agree, although
To desmoinesdem's point, Grassley hasn't had a real race since he was first elected to the Senate. It will be interesting how he handles it.

[ Parent ]
Grassley
Well you can't beat somebody with nobody so it is probably good that Conlin is in rather than a sacrificial lamb, just in case...but having Grassley out campaigning may not be so good for Democrats.  When he was breezing reelection in 1998 the Democrats had a great year down ballot.  Grassley fully engaged and spending money and his gotv will have ramifications for Culver and general assembly races.  I'd say he wins 58-42.  

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Retirement?
I'm guessing he'll go to his grave as a Senator, but think there's any chance Grassley might retire to spend more time Byron Dorgan? Probably not even if Conlin raises a bajillion dollars, huh?

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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NH-Sen
Hodes beat Ayotte in fund raising last quarter
http://www.concordmonitor.com/...

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

That's some good news...
I wish Ayotte's primary opposition was limited to one conservative wackadoo so as not to splinter the teabagger vote and allow her to get the nomination with a plurality.  

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This is a must win race for us


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How so?
Illinois is must win.

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Somebody here said
firewall is going to be CO, IL, PA.  May have even been you.  I think that's right.  And I could even envision CO and PA slipping from firewall status ultimately.  IL is absolutely must win.  NH and OH would be gravy, and even MO is starting to look that way.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

[ Parent ]
It was
Secondary firewall to keep control is CA, NY, IN, WI, WA.

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NH is the kind of state where the Dem Senator
will be reliable. In other words, a Hodes win would more than make off for a Lincoln loss.

An IL loss would just be. . .a loss.


[ Parent ]
It would be a loss of...
...the president's seat. In a very blue state. But I take your point about NH.

[ Parent ]
I don't think that could be worse
than losing Ted Kennedy's seat. But I agree that the optics matter.  

[ Parent ]
Romanoff
is a better choice than Bennet, both substantively and in terms of electability.  But hiring Lake is not a good move.  She wasn't the world's greatest pollster even before the Massachusetts debacle.

Bennet
was a poor choice at the time, however give him a break. He if fund raising good, and he is doing a good job as Senator. He has been fairly progressive, and doesn't mind taking tough stands. He does better in polling than Romanoff does, and I really don't see what Romanoff has to offer that Bennet doesn't have. Bennet is good and I see no reason to primary him.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Bennet
I haven't seen any evidence that he's polling better than Romanoff.  Romanoff has a political track record.  Bennet is a political novice who's in over his head.

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Buyer Bowing Out
http://politicalwire.com/archi...

It's pronounced Boo-yer.  As most of you remember, Buyer was the guy who told us that smoking a head of lettuce is as dangerous as smoking cigarettes.  I think we can all agree that this was the most important safety tip any sitting member of Congress has given us in decades.  I immediately stopped my regular practice of smoking lettuce and other green, leafy produce.  The man changed my life.

Anyway, why do their guys all get to retire from safe seats?  McCain won 56-43 here, so I imagine there's nothin' doin' for the Dems as far as a pickup opportunity.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


Nothin' doin'
Great minds think alike!

[ Parent ]
But greater minds
end their participles with a "g."

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

[ Parent ]
Stop making fun of Sarah Palin!
You damn, dirty librul!

/joke

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
I think
part of it is that some of them have been wanting to retire for a while and are just waiting for a Republican cycle to do so. But I agree, it sucks!

In Buyer's case his wife was diagnosed with a terminal illness so I guess that's that. But it's hard to the point to the fact that Republicans have more retirements than Dems when all the Republican retirements are in R+bajillion districts. (Come on, Dave Reichert, you know you want to spend more time with the missus...)

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IN-04
Buyer to retire but R+14 so likely nothing doing here.

http://thepage.time.com/2010/0...


But still a lot of Jews though (snark)...
I'm sorry. I thought about it but I just had to go there. I'm jewish so this is obviously my lame attempt at reinforcing an indelible ethnic trait. Oh well...

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


[ Parent ]
US economy grows 5.7%
in 4th quarter, per msnbc.com.


23, Male, Democrat, OH-13

Excellent economic numbers
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35...

The economy grew at a faster-than-expected 5.7 percent pace in the fourth quarter, the quickest in more than six years, as businesses made less-aggressive cuts to inventories and stepped up spending.

More than half of that is based on slowing liquidation of inventories. Hopefully that means increased production (and employment) will follow.

And that will be the bottom of D polling numbers for this years elections.


Unemployment still tells a different story
and that's what will inform the vote.

IMO it's probably too late to avoid a terribly tough November. I'd settle for retaining control of both chambers.  


[ Parent ]
that depends I think
Indys can turn on a dime...if unemployment begins to fall in the summer, you may still see some of the obvious losses, like North Dakota Senate and Kansas Governor, but some of the ones that slipped away from us, like Missouri, Ohio and New Hampshire, will come back and it could cut losses in the House.


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It's something to hope for
IMO, people have to start feeling better about the economy by spring or the die is cast.  

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Jobs are always a lagging indicator
They will come. November will still be tough but an improving employment situation will improve Democratic prospects markedly since it is the root of their problems. This isn't like 1994 when the economy improved but didn't help because that wasn't the reason for the debacle.

[ Parent ]
Hope, at least among my students
I'm currently teaching an IT course that some of my students are using to enhance their skills. Most of them are either on layoff (or fear they're about to be). They're all seeing increased activity and responses in their job searches. (Unemployment here is 10.8%.)

If/when that feeling extends across different industries / states, then the recovery in D polling numbers will begin.

But yes, we need to get back to consistent positive generic polling numbers to retain control of both houses.


[ Parent ]
Will hold the House
Even if the GOP win the popular vote narrowly. I'm not sure what they need according to Nate but will look it up.

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AR-Sen: Lincoln on LCV's Dirty Dozen list
http://www.politico.com/news/s...

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NY-Sen: Larry Kudlow considering run against Schumer
Against Schumer?
You would think if Kudlow had to give up his show to run he would at least want to run against Gillibrand who I assume would be an easier target.

Although a sucide Kudlow run could be really benifical to the GOP. Forcing Schumer to spend money on his re-election in NYS and not sending it out to help other candidates elsewhere.

On the other hand, from a strickly theatrical view a Kudlow vs Schumer race would be fun to watch!

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Patty Murray Trails Potential Opponent
However, it is one who is extremely unlikely to run: Dino Rossi
http://www.moore-info.com/MI_W...

and even then, only be 2 points
45%-43%.


[ Parent ]
Why is Rossi unlikely to run?
Why is Rossi unlikely to run? Seems like would have a good shot at winning. I am surpised the RNSC isnt all over him to run. I know he basically stepped out of politics after is loss in 2008. He would be the guy Dems should worry about.

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not really
Dems should worry about AG Rob McKenna or Rep. Dave Reichert.

Rossi is old news. If he's only two ahead of Murray, who survived strong challenges from Linda Smith and George Nethercutt, he's better off not running  


[ Parent ]
In the past, Rossi has said he didn't want a DC job
Yes, McKenna and Reichert are R flavors of the month, but you're right, Rossi would pose a solid threat.

[ Parent ]
Politics
After his 2008 loss, he was said to be extremely disgusted with politics. IDK why John Cornyn isn't going to him, only Reichert.
Cornyn is good at getting some recruits, but he misses some very obvious ones. For example, why is he not going after Mark Neumann in WI, that way the GOP could have no primary for gov and a self-funder for senate.  

[ Parent ]
That would be Moore (R)
Another case of trying to get somebody to run.

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