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OH-Sen, OH-Gov: Rasmussen Gives GOPers the Lead

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 5:45 PM EST


OH-Sen (1/12, likely voters, 12/7 in parens):

Lee Fisher (D): 37 (36)
Rob Portman (R): 44 (38)
Other: 4 (8)
Undecided: 14 (18)

Jennifer Brunner (D): 40 (33)
Rob Portman (R): 43 (40)
Other: 5 (7)
Undecided: 13 (20)
(MoE: ±4.5%)

The only thing that seems different between today's Rasmussen look at the Ohio Senate race and last month's is that there's some swapping of positions in terms of which Dem does better vis-a-vis Republican ex-Rep. Rob Portman. Last month, Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher seemed to be doing better on that metric, against a backdrop of an ongoing sense of the wheels falling off Jennifer Brunner's campaign. Still, her problems seem to be primarily financial, not message- or reputation-related, and this month she bounces back, coming within 3 of Portman while Fisher trails by 7.

I wonder if this is similar to the way that Rasmussen has been seeing Marco Rubio and Rand Paul overperforming against Dems in the general vis-a-vis their more establishment opponents. Because of the aggressive Rasmussen LV screen which seems to pick up the most especially informed and motivated voters, proportionately more of their Dems may be progressive base voters (who'd be more attracted to the feisty Brunner than the ill-defined Fisher).

Rasmussen (1/12, likely voters,  12/7 in parens):

Ted Strickland (D-inc): 40 (39)
Jon Kasich (R): 47 (48)
Other: 4 (3)
Undecided: 8 (11)
(MoE: ±4.5%)

Not much of anything has changed in the last month in Rasmussen's view of the Governor's race; they still find ex-Rep. John Kasich with a sizable edge on Democratic incumbent Ted Strickland (although it should be noted that no other pollster has given Kasich a lead). Perhaps the most interesting news from this race lately came today, with Kasich's decision to tap Auditor Mary Taylor (the Republicans' only statewide elected official at this point, in the wake of their 2006 meltdown) as his running mate.

This may serve to help Kasich, by adding a somewhat-well-known, telegenic figure to his ticket. However, it's leaving a big hole in the Auditor race, where the Republicans are currently candidate-less. And that's one statewide race where the Dems were already in good position, with Hamilton Co. Commissioner David Pepper fundraising well to go up against Taylor. At this point, you may be saying "Auditor? Yawn." Well, Ohio does its state legislative redistricting (not its congressional redistricting, alas) via a 5-member board, of which the Governor, Secretary of State, and Auditor are the decisive members. So, if Dems hold 2 of those 3 offices (as they currently do), they get to re-do the state legislative districts in their favor, undoing the harmful Republican gerrymander of last decade. And if the Republicans lose Auditor, that means they'd need to pick up both Governor and SoS (unfortunately, that's more than theoretically possible, with Kasich running strong and state Sen. Jon Husted a good GOP SoS candidate).

To that end, the GOP is scrambling to recruit an Auditor candidate, to the extent that they're begging ex-Senator Mike DeWine to drop down from his already-underwhelming bid in the AG's race. (That would also solve the problem of the GOP AG primary, where DeWine faces Delaware County prosecutor Dave Yost; DeWine has a big money edge, but Yost has gotten the endorsement of the county-level party in some conservative-leaning counties.) They're also asking state Rep. and Treasurer candidate Josh Mandel to switch over. Neither DeWine or Mandel says they're interested in a switch, though. The only GOPer currently interested in jumping into the Auditor race is little-known Dayton-area state Rep. Seth Morgan.

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losing ohio...
...will be a disaster for the dems. does any dem candidate ever ask what these reps bring to the table? the "priciples" of saint ronnie are what sunk ohio and the rest of the country since 1981.the evidence is all around us when is someone on our side going to use it!?

I still think we can win both races
with some smart messaging and aggressively going after the Republican candidates, who are both very conservative and wedded to Bushanomics.  

but,,,
...the dems have got to say it! portman is a bushie, a free trader. kasich too..we need to tie that around their necks and make them choke on it!!! but we'll be above the fray and they will trot out the old 'tax and spend liberal' line and win. and then ohio can sink a little deeper in the red.

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where dem Brunner bashers at?
where ya at? where ya at? where ya at?  You were all so quick to pounce and call Brunner's candidacy "dead" after the last Rasmussen poll and fundraising numbers.  What now?  I can't wait for the Dem primary to unfold, it's going to be a knock-down, drag-out, bare-knuckled grassroots brawl.  From what I'm seeing on the ground and in cyberspace the Brunner operation has just kicked into high gear in the last month or so.  Hopefully, she'll dominate the neighborhoods like Obama did, cuz she's so hard.  Coming out of the primary with momentum, with much improved name recognition, and with CHARISMA, something that Lee Fisher can't even pronounce much less have, this woman is going to mess Portman up.  Yeah, you noticed.  

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13

Brunner...
...may be our only hope.Fisher comes across as just another political hack.

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It's kind of what Ive been thinking with respect to Deeds and Coakley
Boring ass politicians who stand for nothing because they stand for everything.  Politicians are mistakenly taking the polls as saying, people dont like what Im doing moderate moderate moderate!  I think the polls are really just saying we hate politicians, and them triangulating and being as safe as possible is only telling constituents, vote for me Im a boring politician!

Brunner will turn out the base while Fischer, with his cookie cutterness, wont nearly as well.


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What?
Coakley is a moderate? Evidence please.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
I was waiting for the Brunner trolls
to show up.  Same as before - she polls close to Portman (never mind that she doesn't lead him and is still only a couple points better compared to Fisher), her campaign and supporters spout these anecdotal "we're picking up speed" platitudes that have no grounding in anything factual, and they promise she's "eventually" going to raise more money to compete with Portman (usually with some excuses and bitching about how that shadowy organization known as "the establishment" is keeping poor Brunner down thrown in there for good measure).  When Brunner loses (either the primary or the general) and we also lose the SoS race because her handpicked candidate was a disaster when she could have easily held it, and when this becomes the reason why we lose the redistricting battle in Ohio AGAIN, I hope y'all will be satisfied.  

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well then
it must be really cold in Minnesota right now.  Hehe.

As concerns redistricting, we need to hold the governorship (or the state house) anyway in order to accomplish anything at the congressional level.  If Strickland loses then the SoS race doesn't matter one little bit.  The SoS race only pertains to state level redistricting anyway, which again, we need the governorship and the state house to have control.  Besides, right now, I think we've got a better chance in the Senate race than we do in the race for Governor.  For whatever reason, Ohioans have made up their minds that they are going to blame Strickland for their problems.  I don't like it, and it's not fair, but he's in real trouble, and I don't know what's going to turn it around.

I just don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal over the Ohio SoS race.  The Senate race is MUCH bigger, and so is the governor's race.  

And besides, if we lose the redistricting battle again, it's not like the map is going to get worse than it already is.  That's pretty much impossible.

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


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You're missing the point
We don't need to hold the governorship to have control over US House redistricting in Ohio - we just need 2 of the 3 positions (Gov, SoS, Auditor).  With Mary Taylor out of the picture, we have a great shot at winning the Auditor seat, and if Brunner had stayed at SoS (or at least done a better job picking a successor) we would have a great chance at holding SoS, picking up Auditor, and not worrying about the Governorship.

The Senate race is a big deal - but Brunner hasn't proven that she's that much stronger than Fisher in any of these polls (and I'm tired of this vague "Fisher's just another politician" meme that Brunner supporters use to attack him with, as it doesn't seem to be reflected in the polling), and certainly not enough to justify picking her when she can't raise the dough.  I have yet to see any evidence that Brunner dropping out of the race would blow this election for us.  And yes, redistricting is a HUGE deal.  The map can get worse, and with Ohio as one of the largest states we would be hampering ourselves for the next decade if we can't get a fighting chance in redistricting.  Have you seen Florida's districts?  That can happen to Ohio if we take such a lackadaisical approach to redistricting.

I have nothing against Brunner, but I just don't see why so many of her supporters continue to cling to her when she's not gaining any traction despite months of promises to the contrary.  She may cost us the Senate election, the SoS, redistricting, and on top of it we're losing a rising star because she ruined her career by making the big jump too early.


[ Parent ]
For US House redistricting, we need either
the Governor or a majority in the State House to avoid a Republican gerrymander.

For state legislative redistricting, we need 2 of the 3 positions (Gov, SoS, Auditor) to control the entire process.

So, the most important race to win is Governor, because it helps in both situations.


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Hah.
   Brunner should really be saying in public that she has no money.  That would really help out her campaign.  Imagine that, spin...in politics!  
  At least Brunner has clear positions.  So far the theme for the Lee Fisher campaign is "Me Too!"  I don't want a me too candidate.

24, Male, GA-05

[ Parent ]
Oh come on
It's pretty much common sense that if she wins the primary she'll be able to raise plenty of money.

Maybe you meant more so that she'll be able to raise more money in the primary?


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What I mean
is that Brunner's campaign has for months promised a) that she will pick up her fundraising and b) once she wins the primary she will have all the cash she needs to win.  I'm not disputing that any candidate who wins a primary won't raise more in the general due to the party (usually) closing ranks.  BUT, that doesn't mean it will be enough.  I've worked in campaign finance enough times to know that the "establishment keeps us down argument" is crap.  The vast majority of how much money a candidate raises is dependent on his/her personal connections, the candidate's willingness to fundraise (how often they do calltime, host fundraisers, etc) and the strength of their fundraising team (opening up new donor pipelines, creating depth behind existing donors, doing followups).  There are tons of examples of candidates who outraise their primary opponents despite not having establishment backing.  Here in my current state of California it's not uncommon for an unendorsed Democrat to still raise millions of dollars based on their own acumen.

Brunner simply doesn't have that kind of talent, willingness or team (or some combination thereof).  I blame that more on her lack of experience as a politician.  For example, for all her talk of netroots support, why has she failed to effectively leverage that into campaign money?  That speaks to both her and her team.  Fisher has had a long history with the Cleveland banking and medical communities and would still be raising a shitload of cash even if he didn't have everyone's backing (why the hell do you think Strickland picked him to be Lt. Gov in the first place?).  And let's stop assuming that some combination of the state party, the DSCC and EMILY's List will carry Brunner through.  It doesn't work that way.  You have to EARN the right to receive cash infusions, for their intention is to put a candidate "over the top," not to drag their ass across the finish line.  Why do you think that, despite having several EL alumni on her campaign staff, that EMILY's List hasn't supported her?  They know she can't provide enough of a fundraising base, and with Ohio as expensive as it is they'd be devoting way too many resources into one race.

If Brunner can raise the money and put some distance between her and Fisher in the polls then I'll support her.  She has a wonderful profile as a candidate.  But profiles don't win elections, and I don't like supporting a quixotic campaign just to spite the establishment backing, especially at the expense of so much else (see my comments above).


[ Parent ]
When her fundraising picks up, we'll talk
Seriously, Ohio is an expensive state, and until you guys can come up with a plausible explanation for why her fundraising sucks (blaming the super-evil "establishment" doesn't count) then I'm going to continue to be pessimistic about Brunner's prospects in the general, especially if a Rasmussen poll is the best you've got!

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Well Im still going to go with establishment
The establishment of any political party are the ones who fundraise and work for candidates at this early of a stage, they all support Fischer so he's going be getting all the money.  And there is no negative tone involved with me saying that.  The establishment are the ones who care about races this far out and they support Fischer.

Brunner's crap fundraising reflects very little about her as a candidate or her potential as a general election candidate.  All it shows is that the people with money and who are paying attention this early on like Fischer, simple as that.

And if Brunner becomes the nominee, it's pretty common sense that her fundraising would skyrocket as the Dems of OH come together with her as the nominee.  And she clearly is having no problem in the polls so I dont get why you'd be pessimistic.  


[ Parent ]
Is that right?
Where was the Shadowy "Establishment" money for Jim Gilmore when it basically rigged everything in his favor against Tom Davis (who, by the way, also had gobs of money that was independent of the "Establishment"). What about guys like Tester, or hell what about Barack Obama? Being on the other side of the evil "Establishment" didn't stop him from raising enough money to be competitive financially with Hillary Clinton.

Fundraising ability matters a lot, that's why one of the things that parties try to look for in recruiting is the ability to raise money effectively.

This is an argument I'd make if the situations were reversed too, and I doubt that you'd be so generous with Lee Fisher in that position.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Lee Fisher
  He should obviously drop down to the attorney general race since he is such a failure in this poll.

24, Male, GA-05

whatever happens...
...do the ohio dems close ranks or not? remember, so goes ohio...

[ Parent ]
Yes
The one who has 4x as much money as his rival is the one who should drop out based solely on a Rasmussen poll (maybe you guys believe that the Republicans are better served nominating Rubio too...)

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
money...
does not make it a sure thing. and don't be surprised to see rubio the new junior sen from florida. but that is a different subject for another time.

[ Parent ]
I don't disagree with you
I'm just saying, one should take Rasmussen's polls with a hefty grain of salt.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Rasmussen's polls...
...seem like gop hopes and dreams. sometimes i think you need the entire salt mine. but it seems that something has gone sour for the dems in ohio like in many other places(mass senate). i had high hopes that we would build on the victories of 06 and 08 and put a stake through the heart of this gop once and for all.

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