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MI-Gov: Who's In, Who's Out, Who's a Maybe

by: Crisitunity

Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM EST


Lt. Governor John Cherry had been considered to be a shoo-in for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination until a week ago, when he abruptly ended his bid, citing poor fundraising (and also no doubt motivated by poor general election polling). However, unlike the other dropouts in CO-Gov and CT-Sen, where we had top-tier replacements eagerly waiting in the wings, in Michigan we seem to have a whole bunch of lesser Democrats milling around, bumping into each other and sizing each other up. Let's take a look at the field:

Who's in:

Andy Dillon is almost certainly in; he's formed an exploratory committee in the wake of Cherry's exit. The termed-out state House speaker may be as close to a front-runner as we have now, although he'd never escaped single-digits when polled in the Democratic primary earlier. It's unlikely that the centrist Dillon, however, will get much of a warm reception from the state's liberal base (he's pro-life) or from organized labor (he's been the bane of their existence lately), so he'd still likely face serious primary opposition.

Hansen Clarke is definitely in. He's a termed-out state Senator from Detroit who previously lost a Detroit mayoral race. He seems to fall more toward the "some dude" end of the spectrum.

Alma Wheeler Smith, an African-American state Representative from Ypsilanti, is probably the best-positioned challenger who was in the race since before Cherry's exit. Which isn't to say that she's in a good position at all, as she's made no headway at fundraising, although apparently that's changing a little with Cherry out and liberals getting alarmed about a Dillon candidacy. Other candidates predating Cherry's exit who are still in, but not likely to get anywhere, include MSU trustee (and former MSU football coach) George Perles, who has lots of name rec but is in his mid-70s, and Flint mayor Don Williamson.

Who's a maybe:

Bart Stupak, the Rep. from the Upper Peninsula, is probably the best-known "maybe," and today he's sounding likelier, saying he's "strongly considering" the race. Stupak is probably best-known these days for his anti-abortion amendment stinking up the House HCR bill, which again could hurt his standing among liberals in the gube primary (although he's not on the outs with labor as much as Dillon). There's a sense, though, this may just be a power play to get more ego-stroking within the House (as he also comments that "A divisive primary would not be good..." for him?). He's been rather loudly underscoring that DCCC chair Chris Van Hollen has been urging him not to run, and saying "It's a gone district, if I'm not in there." (Well, maybe not, as it's R+3 and dominated by the UP, which has a historically pro-labor bent.)

Virg Bernero, the populist-sounding mayor of Lansing and a former state Senator, was expected to jump into the race soon after Cherry's demise, but hasn't made any sort of official statement yet. Interestingly, Bernero had been floating his name and had opened an exploratory committee several weeks before Cherry's exit, so it's a puzzle whether Cherry getting out made him less, rather than more, likely to run... or if he's just making final arrangements before announcing.

Denise Ilitch has a famous family name (the Ilitch family owns the Tigers and the Red Wings), and is a University of Michigan regent. She was reportedly meeting with the White House yesterday about a potential bid, indicating she's pretty serious.

Dan Kildee, the former Genesee County treasurer, has said he's interested. He has some name rec from being the nephew of long-time MI-05 Rep. Dale Kildee, but may be biting off more than he can chew here.

John Bowman, the state's former Treasurer (and current CEO of mlb.com, baseball's interactive arm), is suddenly saying today that he's interested, too. I have no idea if anyone remembers who he is.

Who's out:

Debbie Stabenow, the state's junior Senator, won't run. Although if she did, she'd been in a good position to hold the seat (if polling from early last year is to be believed).

David Bonior, the former House Whip, won't run. The very pro-labor Bonior (who lost the 2002 Dem gubernatorial primary to Jennifer Granholm) could have appealed to both social conservatives and economic liberals.

Dennis Archer, who managed to retain a lot of popularity despite having had the unenviable job of Detroit mayor, has confirmed that he won't run.

Robert Ficano, the Wayne County Executive and former sheriff, has said he won't run.

Gary Peters, current MI-09 Rep. and former Lottery Commissioner, will run for another term in the House.

John Freeman, a former state Rep. (and current Michigan director for HCAN) who has close relations with organized labor, was running even when Cherry was in the race. He just dropped out, though, despite the potential opening for a firebrand to slip through a Dillon/Stupak battle. He, too, cited weak fundraising.

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Nice rundown
The Detroit Free Press is running a story indicating Obama wants Denise Ilitch to run. (The Ilitches also founded Little Caesars Pizza, for those of you who are $5 pizza pie fanatics. Their Crazy Bread is good, too.)

The Ilitiches basically revitalized the downtown corridor along world-famous Woodward Avenune by restoring the historic Fox Theatre in the '80s and galvanizing support more recently for the new Lions and Tigers stadiums right across the street. Basically, they have been the sole movers-and-shakers in Detroit for more than two decades.

Governor Granholm dropped a major hint after Cherry's withdrawal from the race that she would like to see the Dem nominee have major cred from the business world.


Thank god Stabenow isn't running.
We have enough special elections in the Senate to deal with as it is.

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It would be an appointment
Unless something changed while I've been away at school and no one told me, of course.

So even if Debbie ran and won, she be appointing her own successor for the last 2 years of her Senate term anyway.  And if she resigned early, Granholm would make the appointment.  (Granted, depending on the timing it might force a special election that coincides with the November 2010 general to fill the last 2 years...I'll check the state law when I get home.)

28, Male, MI-09 (home), MD-07 (school)


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Good point
Defending that seat in 2012 when Michigan should go Democratic would be easier.  I had my timelines off a bit.  But resigning early would create the same problem.

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120 days...
Forgot I could find it easily online...

It's still an appointment process.  A resignation would trigger a special election at the next November general election that occurs more than 120 days after the vacancy.  So if the Senate seat wasn't vacant until, say, after the gubernatorial primary (August), an appointment could be made by the sitting governor and that person wouldn't face election until Nov. 2012.

Not that I want Debbie to run for governor, of course.  I'm happy with her in the Senate.

28, Male, MI-09 (home), MD-07 (school)


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Wow
8 who are in or are a maybe.  And who knows who else might come out of nowhere and throw their hat in the ring.  Can't wait to see how the field finally shakes out.

I just hope there is some competition when all is said and done.  As a MI Democratic primary voter, I would rather my vote counted instead of just being part of anointing someone who's so far ahead it barely matters.

28, Male, MI-09 (home), MD-07 (school)


Andy Dillon has a lot of negatives to overcome
if he is to be a legitimate front-runner; namely, his appallingly inept record of accomplishment as the State House speaker.  To give the devil his due, the Republican-dominated State Senate and their leader, Mike Bishop, have been just as obstructive and intransigent as the Repubs in the US Senate; these two guys don't seem to be able to reach agreement or compromise on anything of substance at all, which has been a big part of Jennifer Granholm's problems.  If Dillon can't make anything happen in his current job, I don't know how anyone can think that he will be more effective as governor.
If Virg Bernero, mayor of Lansing, catches fire, he may make things interesting for the Dems, but he is not well known outside of Lansing.  Denise Illich is interesting, but has no experience in the public sector--her life has been Domino's Pizza, the Tigers, and the Red Wings.  Bart Stupak's base is in the Upper Peninsula--not sure how he will play downstate where all the people are.  The other candidates and possible candidates mentioned are all second- and third-tier; I can't see any of them breaking 10% in the primary.  The best thing that the Dems in Michigan have going for them is that none of the Republican candidates have the potential to take charge either.  Should be an interesting year in Michigan.

68, Dem-leaning indie, MI-8

Basically 3 real choices
I think it's among three for the Dem nom: Ilitch, Bernero and Dillon.

I'm a Detroit native and California transplant eight years removed, so I don't know that much about Dillon and I had never heard of Bernero until y'all started talking about him here. My dad's still in Detroit and was particularly excited about Bernero because he's seen him eviscerate many a television political commentator.

What I know about Dillon is that he weathered a recall petition and subsequent recall balloting. Dillon's pro-life but he's House speaker and comes from Wayne County, the seat of Democratic Party politics in Michigan. Also, he's quite centrist from what I've come to understand, and his initiative to group all public employees in Michigan in one health insurance pool was met with eagerness by the public, skepticism by Granholm and disdain by teachers and Big Labor. I always imagined Dillon faring better in the GE than Cherry, who's attached at the hip with Granholm.

Bernero will get people fired up, but no one downstate (read: Wayne County) really knows him and in a Republican year he's going to have to amp up his name rec and fundraising with the quickness.

Downstate Dems, especially Detroiters, know the Ilitches. I think Denise Ilitch carries the Detroit vote quite handily (85% range) if she runs for the nom, and in the general the Ilitches' business connections with wealthy Oakland County help with fundraising and name rec. It would only be a matter in my mind if Ilitch is ready for primetime politics.


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Dillon would do much worse the Cherry
I can't think of any group that supports Dillon.  The unions probably won't support him.  The liberal activists won't support him.  College students, who had their promise scholarships taken away by the Bishop/Dillon budget, probably won't support him.  I can't think of anyone that's excited about his candidacy.  Cherry would have at least had the base on his side.    

Ilitch has to bring more to the table other than her business experience.  She has to have ideas for improving the state.  Dick DeVos ran based on his business experience in 2006 but never said what he planned to do...other than cut taxes.  He lost badly.  If Ilitch plans to simply say, "I'm a businessperson, vote for me!" then she will lose too.  

The two things Ilitch has going for her is her name recognition in Detroit and her business connections to raise money.  A negative, at least in the primary, is her political donation to George W. Bush in 2004.  I guessing that if she's having a meeting with the White House, she will run.  She would certainly be a better option than Dillon.        


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Incidentally, I don't agree at all
with Stupak's contention that MI-01 would be lost to the Repubs if he retires to run for governor.  Mike Prusi, term-limited minority leader in the Michigan Senate, is from the Upper Peninsula, would be very likely to run for Stupak's seat if he retires, and would be very unlikely to be defeated by anyone the Republicans could find to run against him.  

68, Dem-leaning indie, MI-8

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I agree with you. I live in the district,
and the UP is not going to vote for any Republican locally...no matter how bad the year is.  There is that big swath of the northern LP thats really Republican friendly, but the Alpena and Bay City areas are still strongly Democratic.  Given the bad year...should stupak retire I'd say tossup, but in a neutral year its lean dem.  I think its a bit pompous of Stupak to say once he retires, the seat is "gone."  Last I checked, only one Republican state Rep actually lives in the district, compared to at least 5 for the Dems.  Also not a single Republican state Senator lives in the District, while as you mentioned, Min. leader Prusi does.  Their bench consists of only former Rep. Tom Casperson, who lost 66-33 to Stupak last year and who is currently running for Prusi's seat anyway.  

W/ regard to Prusi...acording to his family members who I go to school with, he has "no plans" to remain in politics, but should the 1st District open up I highly doubt he would take a pass. And even if he does, I already mentioned the strong bench we have, particularly state Reps Lahti and Lindberg, and if we want a LP candidate, former Rep. Gillard or current Rep. Neumann. If all else fails, former State Senator Don Koivisto remains popular.  Essentially other than Casperson, Repubs have no one, especially since the former 1st district GOP chair Joel Westrom is on trial for real estate fraud...so yeah, this seat is not "gone" if Stupak retires.

16, Male, MI-01


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Great to hear
I was going to ask this but then got side tracked.  I compare this to MN-8 with Oberstar having a very similar district, with Duluth being a rather large city that adds quite a bit to the margin of what would still be a likely Democratic seat in just about any situation.

Rep Obey's seat is quite similar I believe, too.  I'd love to be corrected if wrong on that one, but it's good ole Lake Superior, union territory and the vote margins for the countries reflect it.  And I'd guess that's why WI-8 gets skipped because it's not on the lake.  Same with MN-7, but they've got the farm territory that made up progressive coaltions to still make doable at times.


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Stupak pompous? Surely not?
I'd be interested to see if anybody bitter regarding his amendment tries to give him a push and get one of the local state reps to commit to run for congress if he gets into the gubernatorial primary. I doubt it, the big orgs aren't normally devious enough, but it'd be an interesting strategy.

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Sorry, I meant Little Caesar's Pizza, of course, not Domino's.


68, Dem-leaning indie, MI-8

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What's the distinction between Bonior and Dillon?
With Bonior, you say that he could have "appealed to both social conservatives and economic liberals."  But with Dillon, you say that he likely won't get much of a warm reception from the liberal base.  If they're both socially conservative, fiscally liberal Democrats, why would Bonior unite both factions but Dillon wouldn't?  

I get that Stupak, handling the health care bill the way he has, might face a backlash (though not one I would agree with, being socially conservative and fiscally liberal myself.)  But what's the difference between Bonior and Dillon?  


Dillon's economically centrist
while Bonior is about as economically liberal as it gets.

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MI Dem base
I dont think Stupak being pro-life will hurt him, IMO. From what i know the MI Dem base is blue collar. Whether theyre pro-life or not they simply dont vote social issues in Dem primaries. Its all about the bread and butter issues. Now sure, youve got your white collar social liberals in places like Oakland County and the university towns...but i just cant imagine how they make up the main base.  

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Of the potential candidates
I think there are really only three options: Bernero, Dillon, and Ilitch.  

Dillon would do horribly and lose by a large margin.  The base would stay home if Dillon is the nominee.  I know I won't vote for him.  

Bernero is the candidate I'm most interested in but I don't know much about him yet.  I hope he runs because we need a progressive option.  

Ilitch concerns me for two reason: 1. I don't like candidates who run on their business experience.  Running a company is not the same as running a state.  2. She donated $2000 to George W. Bush in 2004.

Clearly the White House must see something in Denise Ilitch if they are having meetings with her.  I guessing that since she's going to the White House, she will run.  

Of the three, I would rank them based on strength (1. Bernero, 2. Ilitch, 3. Dillon).  


Agreed on all counts.
I really lean toward Bernero right now, just based on what I know about all of them.  Dillon does not thrill me at all.  Ilitch is still sort of a mystery (and the $ to W makes me uncomfortable).

I've seen Virg both on TV and in person.  He's both smart and fiesty.  And one of my friends who lives in Delta Twp. and works in Lansing says that his tenure as mayor has generally been very positive.  People like him once they get to know him.  I could see the Republicans trying to make hay out of his very pro-gay stance, though.  But if the election is mainly about economic issues, that could be a non-starter, except with folks who likely wouldn't vote for him anyway.

28, Male, MI-09 (home), MD-07 (school)


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Bernero's main issue
will be whether he can raise the money necessary to run.  Unfortunately, based on our political system that's the most important issue for most candidates.  

If the GOP wants to focus on "his very pro-gay stance," they will be in trouble.  I pretty sure "moral values" aren't the top issue for most voters.  

I read an article last year that compared approval of gay marriage in 2004 and 2009.  In about 4.5 years, gay marriage approval went from 24% to 47% and opposition to gay marriage went from 61% to 48%.  So I don't think the use of gay rights will be as effective for the GOP as it had been in 2004.    


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Indeed, money is the bottom line
He's got some of mine if he formally announces.  My guess is that he hasn't formally announced yet exactly because he's trying to figure out whether he can raise the necessary funds.  I think he could, but that's just my own personal opinion.

As far as gay marriage and related issues go, it's good to know that opinions have shifted.  Hopefully the trend continues.  I know at MI Pride in Lansing this summer, both Alma Wheeler Smith and Bernero were guest speakers at the rally (and Bernero comes every year, since it's his city...).  I worried then that it could hurt him if he did go for governor, despite the fact that I was very pleased he was there.  I think between the fact that he's not afraid to piss his opponents off and the changing winds on the issue, he didn't have anything to lose.

28, Male, MI-09 (home), MD-07 (school)


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Wow
Somebody actually just twitted Kanjorski. No idea what that would do for either race.

I like how Illitch sounds
I think the WH is pretty smart in wanting someone with a business background in the race.  It's going to give our nominee the edge to be able to tout a sound record on business during these crap times.


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