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NC-Sen: Two Polls Show Burr in the Doldrums

by: Crisitunity

Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM EST


PPP (pdf) (12/11-13, likely voters, 11/9-11 in parentheses):

Elaine Marshall (D): 37 (34)
Richard Burr (R-inc): 42 (45)
Undecided: 21 (21)

Kenneth Lewis (D): 37 (32)
Richard Burr (R-inc): 43 (45)
Undecided: 21 (23)

Cal Cunningham (D): 36 (31)
Richard Burr (R-inc): 45 (44)
Undecided: 20 (25)

Generic Democrat (D): 41 (40)
Richard Burr (R-inc): 42 (44)
Undecided: 17 (16)
(MoE: ±4.0%)

Civitas (12/1-3, likely voters, 10/20-21 in parentheses):

Elaine Marshall (D): 32 (33)
Richard Burr (R-inc): 40 (43)
Undecided: 21 (24)

Generic Democrat (D): 40 (NA)
Generic Republican (R): 39 (NA)
Undecided: 21 (NA)
(MoE: ±4.0%)

The new numbers in the North Carolina Senate race, I'm surprised to say, don't look half bad. While Richard Burr was looking like his lot had been improving in recent months, today's PPP poll shows Burr leading his best-known Democratic opponent, SoS Elaine Marshall, by only 5 points, and the elusive "Generic Democrat" by only 1. In fact, I'd be inclined to think that PPP got a lucky bounce with a favorable sample here, if we didn't have separate confirmation from Civitas with similar numbers. They find Marshall a little further back, but with a similar positive trend, and they find a 1-point gap in favor of Generic D over Generic R in their first attempt at a generic ballot.

So is there an easing in the anti-Democratic sentiment here, perhaps as we start to show tangible signs of economic rebound? I wouldn't generalize that, based on how little the same sample likes Kay Hagan (36/44 approvals) or Bev Perdue (a dire 27/53). Instead, I think we're seeing an electorate so surly they hate all incumbents, regardless of their stripes: Burr's not much better, at 35/37 (at least he can take some comfort in that he's gotten 70% of the electorate to know who he is). Elaine Marshall's the only person they've tested who's in the net positives, at 19/12 -- and that low name rec points to room to grow.

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Wow
I knew Burr was a faceless backbencher but never expected his numbers to be this bad.  He's even just barely beating someone I've never even heard of.  Who is Kenneth Lewis?

He's a
prominent African-American attorney in Durham. In fact, PPP says he might be getting hurt by sharing the same name as the former CEO of Bank of America, obviously not the most popular guy in NC.

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Well he's not the Bank of America CEO
in case you were wondering. He's a business lawyer from Durham.  

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Elaine Marshall Name Rec
How can Elaine Marshall have been in statewide office since 1997 having defeated Richard Petty of all people in 1996 and have such laughably low name recognition?

I realize Secretary of State is a low-key position generally, but it's wet noodle whipping time if you're gonna have me believe that she's got the "fight" in her to pull this one out.

This is the "one-term and you're out" seat, right? That would be the only thing she'd have in her column to convince me at this point of sure victory.

Perhaps a good ol' fashioned primary against Cunningham would do her some good...

And maybe an Old Fashioned after she wins.


Heh
Never had the slightest idea Richard Petty ran for office before.  She actually beat him rather easily.

http://www.ourcampaigns.com/Ra...
Marshall (D) - 53.51%
Petty (R) - 45.12%


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A fairly clean Dem primary should kill Burr
Get these people known better, have someone win by more than a whisker, and Burr is history.

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Incumbents!
While there's certainly a lack of enthusiasm for Dems (triggered, I think, by the lack of Bush-induced urgency more than disappointment in the party), there's also anti-incumbent feelings. This will affect Dems, but it will also affect Republicans.

Look for Grassley's, Vitter's, maybe McCain's numbers to be similarly depressed.


Interesting
Now if we could find someone named 'Generic Democrat' who also happens to be a registered Democrat I think we're good to go.

I agree...
.. forget Cunnigham and Marshall and let's draft Generic Democrat.

It really is hard to believe no bigger name is stepping up for this opportunity.  

If I were a US Senator with no better numbers than Burr, sans a scandal, I would retire out of embarrassment.  


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Everyone always talks up Generic Democrat
but he never runs.  That guy has just been a huge disappointment.

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Generic Democrat
Whenever I hear that I think of Harry Reid.  Everything about him is generic - no personality, no leadership skills and no backbone.

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Heh.
Too bad Harry underperforms is unnamed alter ego.

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A post in defense of Reid
One thing the dude has is personal backbone.  Contributing to getting the mob out of Las Vegas is not something to scoff at.  I suspect you meant his wimpy Majority Leader personality, and okay on that, but at least in one point in his life the dude did something dangerous that took courage.

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If only he had continued with that courage when in Congress.
But his nailbiter win in '98 probably killed that off.

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So the man has balls of steel dealing with the mob
Yet Lieberman and republicans scare the shit out of him.  This guy has even deeper issues that I thought.

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Exactly.


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I'm very glad there is a primary
because we need it.  I'm just very disappointed in the way that it's being handled.  Cunningham is the only one directing punches at Burr, while the other two are taking them at Cunningham.  I'm not very happy with the position Cunningham has taken on Afghanistan and healthcare, but if the primary were today he would have my vote because he isn't attacking other Democrats.

At the end of the day, if Ken Lewis, who is a minority and the least well known of the three, is within six points and holding Burr to 43, then we are in much better shape than I previously thought.    


Hmm...
Hadn't considered the race in that way.

Cunningham is striking me as Southern Blue Dog-ish with strains of progressivism. He's def to the right of Hagan; perhaps lining up with Pryor.

Burr is def vulnerable...


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I agree
Cunningham is acting kinda blue dog-ish, which is mildly disappointing.  In primaries, though, I always vote for the person that tells me why I should vote for them, not why I shouldn't vote for the other person.  

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Obama
I guess we all know where Obama stands.

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He'd better call Marshall, too
If she wins, he wants a good relationship with her, right?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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From what I've seen
I think the closest thing we have to a Generic Democrat we have in this race IS in fact Elaine Marshall. Competent moderate technocrat low-profile non-controversial quiet-seeming older white lady just screams "Generic Democrat." At least to me.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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LOLZ
I hope there aren't any competent, moderate, technocratic, low-profile, noncontroversial, quiet-seeming, older white lady statewide officeholders in the audience tonight!

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Judgement question - who will turn out in NC
in the primary and general.

The "base" as defined here and most left of center blog sites include voters who are motivated by HCR and similar issues.

The "base" as traditionally defined is made up of voters who turn out no matter what, such as during off year primary elections.


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Two Birds, One Stone
Chris Dodd announces he is retiring from the Senate.  Blumenthal runs for his seat, and wins it.

Dodd moves to  NC and changes his name to 'Generic Democrat' and beats Burr.

Is that good or what?


Well, NC does have a large banking sector
so he could continue getting in bed with them and nobody would notice the difference.

Cue the Dodd "he was exonerated!" die-hards...


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Great idea
I'll take Dodd!

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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I don't know why people
say that Burr is unpopular--he seems to outpoll "Generic Republican" by a full point or two.

/sarcasm

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


Wasn't there a gay state senator who ran last year for NC Senate?
Who was that?

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Jim Neal
Not a state Senator though, just a guy with money.

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Ah, okay.
I must have heard his and Cunningham's names mentioned together so many times I thought for a moment that they were the same person.

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Burr is beatable
I know for a fact that he is not liked at all here in the RTP area, even the rational conservatives here I know don't like him.

But the Democratic candidate will need to make a good case for his/her candidacy in the metro areas.  

Cunningham's weak stand to support health care reform is certainly not a good start.  I don't really like that Marshall is 65 either, but one positive of that may be that she might be less likely to vote in a manner to win reelection, and might be more likely to vote Democratic.


Hey, didn't you promise us a diary
on how a D can beat Burr?

I'd like to see how you break down the target vote totals by section/area or perhaps by congressional district, whatever is most convenient for you.


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I'll try to do so
over Christmas.  We still have several months before the primary.

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A 65-year-old
could easily serve two or three terms in the Senate.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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A two termer would be perfect
And then we see where North Carolina is in 2022.

I'd rather have older blue dogs in Virgina and North Carolina than younger blue dogssince I look at these two states voting more progressively in a decade than they do now.


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That's a good point
And with the crazy age politicians are living to while still serving in Congress a 60-something year old no longer scares me.  Such a person could still easily serve 2-3 terms in the Senate or 10-terms in the House.

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I don't agree
younger Blue Dogs might be more likely to adapt and not stay Blue Dogs, because some of them are Blue Dogs only to remain elected.  Older Blue Dogs in the South are often actually conservatives, who were born Democratic and stayed that way.

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once again
Elaine Marshall has the best chance of beating Burr. This Cal Cunningham person will not. Enough said. You want to unseat Burr choose the best candidate.

If that is true ...
... why is she polling only slightly better than he is?  She has won statewide and has higher name recognition and low negatives, yet she is only a few points closer to Burr than Cunningham.

Cunningham may or may not be up to the task, but we should know one way or the other by the primary.  If she can prove herself by May, then I will back her 100%, but she has yet to prove anything in my mind.  


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"prove anything" seems a large overstatement
She has proved she can win statewide.  She's done it more than once.  That doesn't mean she can win a Senate seat, or that she is the best candidate, but it's not a good idea to ignore objective truths.

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The objective truth is...
.... that low level statewide officials are NOT a good springboard to Federal office. Another is that she finished 3rd in the primary the last time she ran for Senate.  

Inez Tenebaum won statewide twice in SC, at least once with over 60%, and led the ticket both times.  When she ran for Senate, she managed only 44% against a House member.

Can anyone name a Secretary of State that was elected to the US Senate?    


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Hillary Rodham Clinton
Yeah I know, you were talking state officials.

Several do seem to be running - and we have our hopes on Robin Carnahan (and possibly Jennifer Brunner). The GOP may put their hopes in Trey Greyson.

For the record, SoS is often the #3 (and sometimes even the #2 official) in many states.


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Tenebaum
True but SC is much more Republican than NC. Hopefully Jim Rex does better next year.

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SoS
In NC the SoS doesn't have the same responsibilities in a lot of other states.  Like it doesn't oversee elections in the state.  It truly is a backbencher position.  

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Regulates All Business in NC
I'd hardly call that a backbencher position. And in NC it's also a law enforcement office with sworn officers. It is odd though that they don't have purview over elections.  

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There aren't many historically
Typically, most statewide officeholders elected to Senate are Attorney General or Lt. Governor as those are the most visible and tend to attract contentious races, meaning the candidates are better seasoned for a Senate bid.

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Per this Nate Silver classic
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

11 former governors, 2 former lieutenant governors, 7 attorneys general, 4 state treasurers, 1 state auditor (McCaskill), and 1 state tax assessor (Conrad). I think Robin Carnahan is going to win, but certainly the ability to get yourself on the news as a guv or an AG seems to be more valuable than coming from other state-level offices.


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