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SSP Daily Digest: 11/20

by: Crisitunity

Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM EST


CA-Sen: Rasmussen piggybacked another California Senate poll on their gubernatorial poll from yesterday. Despite finding some gains for Meg Whitman yesterday, they don't see any improvement for Carly Fiorina or Chuck DeVore. Barbara Boxer leads Fiorina 46-37 (it was 49-39 in September) and DeVore 46-36 (previously 46-37).

DE-Sen: Mike Castle's fundraising was weak earlier this year (in fact, that was why most people figured he wasn't going to run for Senate), but now Republican Senators are moving to quickly fill up his coffers. Four Senators gave large contributions, the largest being $10,000 from Thad Cochran. Castle had $853K in his last report.

NY-Sen-B, NY-Gov: The shortest possible explanation in New York is that nobody still has the faintest clue what Rudy Giuliani is up to. Food for thought, though, comes from the new Marist poll (pdf). They find Giuliani beating Democratic incumbent Kirsten Gillibrand 54-40. They also found Giuliani with the upper hand in a potential (if extremely unlikely) primary against ex-Gov. George Pataki; Giuliani demolishes him, 71-24. (For some reason, Marist didn't poll Gillibrand/Pataki, but Rasmussen just did, finding Gillibrand beating Pataki 45-42. Rasmussen didn't poll Gillibrand/Giuliani, though.)

Marist (pdf) also has gubernatorial numbers, which don't offer any surprises beyond the sheerly absurd dimensions of David Paterson's unpopularity. Paterson has a 20/76 approval, and a 30/63 verdict on whether people want him to run for re-election. Paterson loses the primary to Andrew Cuomo, 72-21, although he ties Rick Lazio in the general, 44-44. Cuomo makes short work of Lazio, 69-24. They also have Giuliani numbers (which are looking obsolete now): Rudy annihilates Lazio in the primary, 84-13, and beats Paterson 60-35, but loses to Cuomo, 53-43.

CA-Gov: Republican Ex-Rep. Tom Campbell announces that he's passed the $1 million cumulative mark in fundraising for the gubernatorial race, which indicates he's at least getting some traction as people notice he's polling well. In most states, that would be pretty impressive. In California, where you have to reach more than 30 million sets of eyeballs and where $1 million is Meg Whitman's budget just for ivory backscratchers, though, it's kind of a drop in the bucket.

OR-Gov: As quickly as he appeared, he went away; former Hewlett-Packard VP Steve Shields pulled the plug on his brief Democratic gubernatorial campaign, not having had much luck on the fundraising front. Meanwhile, SoS Bill Bradbury got a big boost in his uphill climb against ex-Gov. John Kitzhaber. Bradbury's environmentalist bona fides earned him an endorsement from Al Gore. (Also a likely factor: a long-running behind-the-scenes feud between Kitz and Gore.)

TX-Gov: Rick Perry and Kay Bailey Hutchison are both out with TV ads as they enter the stretch run toward their March gubernatorial primary. Perry attacks Washington (and by extension, KBH, who works there), while KBH is more intent on explaining that she's keeping her Senate job to fight against Democratic health care proposals.

CO-07: Going from being a music promoter to a Representative is a strange career leap, but that's what Jimmy Lakey is fixing to do. The Colorado Republican has opened an exploratory committee to go up against Democratic Rep. Ed Perlmutter, although he'll need to get past Aurora city councilor Ryan Frazier (who dropped down from the Senate race) first.

FL-02: Al Lawson, the African-American state Senator who's challenging Blue Dog Rep. Allen Boyd in a Democratic primary, is out with an internal poll via The Research Group that actually gives Lawson the lead: 35-31. Boyd was a vote against health care reform and the stimulus, which may provide him some cover in the general in this now R+9 district, but probably hurts him in the primary, where African-Americans make up a sizable portion of the Democratic electorate.

IA-03: The appearance yesterday of well-known wrasslin' coach Jim Gibbons was no deterrent to state Sen. Brad Zaun, setting up an epic smackdown in the GOP primary. Zaun, formerly the mayor of Des Moines suburb Urbandale, had made clear his interest in the race before Gibbons surfaced; he'll formally launch his campaign in early December.

IL-10: State Rep. Beth Coulson, probably the only Republican in the field in the 10th with the name rec and moderate profile needed to overcome the 10th's Democratic lean, is meeting with RNC head Michael Steele today to discuss her campaign -- the same Steele who has warned moderates that, in the wake of NY-23, he's gunning for them. She's loudly touting the meeting in the press, although it's unclear whether she's trying to make clear she's a GOP team player, or that she's trying to play up her moderate reputation by standing up to Steele.

MD-01: If there's one freshman Democrat who's looking endangered coming into 2010, it's Frank Kratovil, who barely won in a dark-red district thanks in large measure to a lousy opponent (Andy Harris) and an Obama downdraft. The Harris camp is now out with an internal poll via the Tarrance Group that quantifies that, giving that same lousy opponent a 52-39 edge over Kratovil, despite Kratovil's 43/30 favorables.

MN-01: Former state Rep. Allen Quist followed through on his plans to challenge Rep. Tim Walz in the rural 1st District. Quist has been out of the limelight for a while, but was a darling of the religious right in the 1990s; his wife is Michele Bachmann's district director.

NY-23: Appropriately enough, given that Fort Drum is the largest employer in his district, Bill Owens was given a seat on the Armed Services Committee, taking former Rep. Ellen Tauscher's spot. Owens himself is a former Air Force captain, and his predecessor, Army Secretary John McHugh, had been the top-ranking Republican on the committee. (D)

Also in the 23rd, it's all over but the shouting of the wronged wingnuts. The Watertown Times reports that Owens leads Hoffman by 3,105 with 3,072 absente ballots left to count. Also worth noting is the increasingly hostile tone of the Watertown Times (maybe the district's largest newspaper) to Hoffman and his post-electoral antics, which bodes ill for getting a fair shake out of them if he runs again.

NRCC: There's a very important addendum to yesterday's story about the NRCC's big TV spot ad buy to go against Vic Snyder, John Spratt, and Earl Pomeroy. The total of the ad buy was $6,300, including only 35 gross rating points in the Charlotte market (2,000 GRPs are considered "saturation-level"), and the ads are running only on Fox News. In other words, the cash-strapped NRCC isn't paying for anybody to actually see the ads -- they're just a foot in the door to get media coverage of the ads.

Redistricting: The DLCC's blog has an interesting look at the redistricting conundrums in Louisiana, where the loss of a House seat and a Katrina-remodeled population loom large. Dems ostensibly control the legislature but also face a Republican gubernatorial veto (although Dems control the tiebreaking Supreme Court, too).

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Repubs will probably lose a seat in LA
Let's face facts.  Dems are more likely than not going to lost LA-03 (open seat) and pickup LA-02 in 2010, leaving us with only LA-02 and leaving repubs with the other 5 seats.  It would be the repubs giving up a seat in 2012 and not Dems, since they can't very well eliminate a AA majority district.

I wonder if LA could be required to have another majority-minority district.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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It didn't in 2002
Why would it in 2012?  I was under the assumption the minority population only decreased since 2002 thanks to Katrina.  Anyone know if their population rebounded since the storm?

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Different administrations.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Census estimates put it at about 32% black.
That would equal two districts.  Those are the recent estimates.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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And we're talking about black population
They are heavily clustered in a few metro areas of LA - Baton Rouge and New Orleans.  That makes it a bit easier to draw two bacl majority districts.

Unless that asshole Michael Jackson (not the King of Pop) runs again as a 3rd party!


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Not quite
Given the population loss in New Orleans, the 2nd district will likely have to snake up towards Baton Rouge just to maintain a majority-minority population. There are pockets of African-American voters scattered throughout the rest of the state in places like Shreveport and Monroe, but it's impossible to collect them without a repeat of the Cleo Fields district:



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That's the max-black configuration
You can draw a much nicer district if you only have to get to 50%. Others have done so here.  

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And the number of seats will drop from 6 to 5
So I'd imagine the district lines for a second black majority district would not have to be as ugly as was formerly necessary.

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Point well taken: there are many rural A-As in LA
and when combined with working class Catholics, should be able to constitute a second district that's at least purple.

But that seems unlikely with Jindal having a veto over redistricting, even if LA Ds retain control of the state House.


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It will never happen in Louisiana
even a Democratic Governor wouldn't want this plan there.

The only way it happens is if the Obama Justice Dept. demands two VRA districts.


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Past R strategy has been to max out the VRA
maximize the number of A-As in a district, maximizing R voters in neighboring districts.

An appropriate D controlled redistricting would be closer to NC-1, just over 50% A-A. No reason why Ds in LA wouldn't do something similar to Ds in NC.


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Because the white Democrats in LA are very conservative
They would prefer 4 DINO Blue Dogs by splitting the black vote over 4 districts rather than two black majority districts (and hopefully real Democrats).

In North Carolina, we have real Democrats here, not just DINOs.


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There are a few populists left in the state
Foster Campbell, who ran for Governor in 2007, made the centerpiece of his campaign a proposal to tax oil and gas refining in Louisiana in order to eliminate the state income tax.

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Yeah well
Campbell got crushed.  He is exactly the kind of real Democrat who has suddenly become unelectable in the rural South.  

Remember that Bill Clinton actually carried LA by 13% in 1996.


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I believe your conclusions are incorrect.
In NC, A-As have not been overconcentrated in VRA districts.

NC-01 is just over 50% A-A
NC-12 is 44% A-A

Several other districts have 20-30% A-A.

It is an appropriate D - leaning gerrymander. A similar gerrymander in other southern states (in districts with say 40-45% A-As) would I believe bring us maybe 20-25 more moderate-left leaning Ds from the old South.

An R gerrymander in NC would have perhaps 2 districts with 80% A-As and the remaining districts would likely all lean R.


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I strongly disagree
Even a 30-35% black district would bring us a Repub in Louisiana. In Northern LA, you have two districts that are 34% black, and both of them are safe GOP.  LA-6 is 33% black, and while Michael Jackson screwed us in 2008, this was safe GOP throughout the decade and will be so in 2010.

North Carolina is not the Deep South.  Although some areas, (i.e. the rural East) are,  it does not represent the whole

The Democratic strategy in the South (not counting VA, FL, NC) should be as follows, force as many VRA black districts as possible, draw as many urban-suburban districts as possible, and concede basically everything else, where we will be left with useless DINOs and Blue Dogs.



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It seems you're neglecting rural A-As
First, there was a typo of sorts in my previous message. I put a dash before and after the word "not", to try to emphasize that word, and instead, I guess the HTML acted to cross out that word.

Second, I point once again to NC-01 - part of NC's "rural East") - a barely black majority district whose biggest city is Rocky Mount.

Third, I point back to this comment, http://www.swingstateproject.c... where you said that you "might have voted for a R" who is willing to screw the concerns of rural areas.

Fourth, DINOs and Blue Dogs are not useless. Without them today, John Boehner would be speaker. And given probable election results, that is likely to be even more true after 2010.

However, if you replaced the term "rural East" with "rural West" in your comment, I don't think you'd be that far off. The voting habits of those in the Appalachain part of NC more closely resemble those in Alabama.

Even among rural Whites in eastern NC, there's a focus on environmentalism which is encouraging. And they still vote for Ds for local/state offices. Exceptions to that are in the SE (home of Fort Bragg) and a couple of counties in the NE (home of Blackwater, or whatever they're called now, Xe?).


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Actually not quite
Fourth, DINOs and Blue Dogs are not useless. Without them today, John Boehner would be speaker. And given probable election results, that is likely to be even more true after 2010.

No they are useless.  Not all the Blue Dogs are DINOs.  But the ones from the rural South are worthless, and we would have the majority even if we got rid of 20 of them.

However, if you replaced the term "rural East" with "rural West" in your comment, I don't think you'd be that far off. The voting habits of those in the Appalachain part of NC more closely resemble those in Alabama.

This is completely untrue.  In Alabama, 10% of the whites voted for Obama.  In Appalachia NC, 30-35% of the whites did.  Obama got 47% in mostly white NC-11.  There reason why Appalachia looks less Democratic is because there is nearly no blacks there.  In rural Eastern NC, no more than 20-25% of the whites voted for Obama, but Obama did much better because of heavy black turnout.

Third, I point back to this comment, http://www.swingstateproject.c... where you said that you "might have voted for a R" who is willing to screw the concerns of rural areas.

You bet I would!  I could care less about the concerns of rural white Southern conservatives who vote 80-85% against President Obama!  The only reason why I voted for Purdue was redistricting.


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So how would you differentiate rural whites from rural blacks?
Both benefit or are hurt in the same way by shifts in Ag/infrastructure policies.

And even if you could, how could you sell anything beyond Affirmative Action?  


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Here's how
You give lots of pork to the black rural areas, and do nothing for the white rural areas.  So the Democrats that represent black rural areas take home a lot of funds for their districts, and the Repubs who represent the white rural areas get their pet projects stripped from Appropriations bills.

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GAWD DAMNIT STOP HATING
ON CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Your posts are filled with anger
and personal invective.  I will no longer respond to them.

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I find it highly ironic that you should call out others for their anger
while you fail to see your own.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I'm not angry that you disagree with me
But in using all caps, you have proven that you are angry simply because I disagree with you.

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No, it just proves that I'm tired of seeing you flaming
southern Democrats gratuitously.

My using all caps proves that I was angry.  Yes.  But it is not evidence of the cause of said anger.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Followup - I believe your data is flawed.
So I ask -  where is your data on Obama voting - and where is your data that suggests that voting at the NC state level will follow?

What you suggest for Obama voting patterns seems different from the voting patterns for Purdue, etc, which shows most of NC state R votes in the west of the state.

In addition, Dare County (far eastern end) voted 44-55 Obama-McCain - which was an [b]improvement[/b] over '04 (40-60 Kerry-Bush). Dare is 95% white.

Currituck (Blackwater's home county) showed approx no change (same vote levels between '04 and '08) - 90% white.

Hyde voted 50-49 Obama-McCain, which is also an [b]improvement[/b] over '04.(47-53, I think). Hyde's 35% A-A.

I haven't looked at the other eastern NC counties, but so far, it seems that your data w/r/t eastern NC is flawed.


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53% black with 10 minutes work
You could probably make it look even cleaner with more effort:

Louisiana 6th


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What about the other district?
I tried to figure something out, too, but found the 2nd district would be needing like 200,000 more people beyond its current boundaries.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Harder than I expected!
But it's not impossible. Basically, both districts have to shift west a bit.

CD 6:

CD 6

CD 2:

CD 2


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Is that a tiny sliver connecting this district through
Jefferson parish?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Yup
You can see the larger version here.

The bottom line is that it's possible to have two black majority districts in LA without much fuss. I think it's pretty unlikely, though.  


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Re: Michael Jackson (I)
Wasn't he annoyed at the establishment not running him or something like that last time?

Maybe we could run him in LA-02 (the only barrier being that there are a ton of other people lined up first), and then have a clear shot at LA-06.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Rewarding a spoiled brat is bad policy
.

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Hell no
Don't reward that prick.  There are plenty of highly qualified (hopefully non-corrupt) black politicians in LA more deserving than that self-serving jackass.  He had the opportunity to run in the Dem primary if he wanted but he ran as an indy just to fuck over the party.

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If we do hold LA-03
I wonder how we'll fare in redistricting.  Will the new Democrat get thrown in with Boustany?  Would we be able to win that one?

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I doubt we will hold LA-3
and if we somehow do, it will be thrown in with Boustany or Cassidy.

The best situation we could get is for the Justice Dept requiring two majority black districts.  That way we can get two non-Blue Dogs from Louisiana.


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Heh
If we hold LA-03 it probably means our net Dem house losses will be under 15, maybe under 10 seats in 2010.  This seat is probably the most likely Dem-held seat to flip.  Only ID-01 is even close to as sure of a loss as LA-03.

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If we hold LA-3
it means that the Dems probably gained seats.

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Hey Gopherprof
you a prof then at the U of Minnesota?  Are you Larry Jacobs because I have a bone to pick with you about the quote you gave in Politico about Franken's amendment being used to criticize GOPers who voted against it as hurting Franken.

Why try to out the guy here
Why not e-mail Jacobs directly and tell him what you think?

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Well the main goal
was just to find another Minnesotan on this blog.

And then I figured if he was Larry Jacobs and wanted to chat about his quote, well then that'd start a good conversation!  Plus, Jacobs is the go-to guy for all media outlets to ask for some quotes from a prof on MN politics.  Besides wanting to ask about the quote he gave and ask for why he thinks that way, I wouldve loved to ask about being that go-to guy.  

My one prof from my undergrad told me she gets those offers all the time, come be on Kare11 (our NBC affiliate) on election night.  She says she refuses to ever be the person to talk about politics to the media as she doesnt make political predictions publicly.


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Ok then
but I recall gopherprof saying that he was in his 20s, so I doubt he'd be Larry Jacobs.

Also many younger professors don't necessarily want it known that they are on a liberal blog.  The wingnuts have harassed liberal profs on many campuses.


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If he was worried about being known
Why use a name like Gopher Prof? The vast majority of name choices on this board provide a great deal of anonymity for the posters.

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He wants to say that he's a professor in Minnesota
That isn't enough info to identify the guy.

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ironic
yesterday my boyfriend, who sees me on this blog all the time and always asks about what Im typing about it goes, whose andyroo, is that you?  I go, nope, my name on the blog is Andrew.....  I always wish I had bothered to do something better than just my first name....

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Republicans pretty much control LA House
The speaker of the House in Louisiana is a Republican.

Yeah, and Even the Senate Is Complicated
The chairman of Senate & Governmental Affairs (which I presume is in charge of redistricting) is a Republican (Kostelka). The LA legislature works off alliances that are famously not too closely tied to party membership.

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MD-01
Were the crosstabs for this internal poll released?

I don't buy for a minute Kratovil being down by double digits. He's a great retail politician and has maintained a solidly fiscal conservative voting record that ought to keep him at least somewhat insulated from the teabagger frenzy. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if, ala Greg Ball, this poll oversampled Baltimore County and underweighted Kratovil's base on the Eastern Shore.

Male, 23, DC-At Large


Honestly...
It reads to me more as an attempt to keep (GOP state senator) E.J. Pipkin out of the race. Pipkin would have beaten Kratovil in 2008 and would beat him like a drum in 2010, whereas poll or no poll, I can't view Kratovil vs. Harris II as anything but a tossup.

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MD-01
I hope Kratovil loses. That district will be significantly bluer after redistricting, and we can get a progressive in there.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

Kratovil is a progressive from what I heard
He is trying to stay alive for one election.  I want him to win in 2010, and then I'll judge him based on his record after that.

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I agree
I get the feeling he votes this way out of political necessity and would move well left with a better district.  Hopefully he survives.

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I wouldn't be so certain the district will be made bluer
The existing map is already a Democratic-designed one, and was made to pack Republicans into two districts.  I am not so sure the legislature will be so aggressive as to try to pack them all in Bartlett's district.  It is very possible that Kratovil's remains a red-leaning district, particularly if he is defeated next year.

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Except Maryland like California
has moved further toward the Dems in the last decade.  And districts 2 and 8 had to be made extremely Democratic to dislodge Repubs, and they no longer need to be made so Democratic.

There are several maps here that have shown that a 7-1 or even 8-0 Democratic delegation could be drawn.  The latter will get serious consideration if Bartlett (very old) retires in 2012.  


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There have been countless gerrymanders posted at SSP
The 1st could be remapped into a strongly Dem district rather easily without significantly weakening our other seats or violating the law when it comes to our minority-majority districts.

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Yes it definitely could
very impressive maps indeed I have seen here.  However, what I meant to say is that while the 7-1 or even 8-0 maps are possible, I just don't think they are likely to be pushed for by the state legislature, unless they're more ambitious than I expect.

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The Map was Made
The map was made to kick two incumbent Republicans in blue districts out. Especially Connie Morella who was a Republican representing basically Montgomery County, which now does not have a single elected Republican official ANYWHERE in the county at any level of government. Tweaking an entrenched Democrat like Van Hollen, Hoyer, or Ruppersberger who win by a landslide every election could easily give Kratovil a bluer seat.

20 M MD-01

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Edwards, Cummings, and Van Hollen can stand to lose some Dems
I wouldn't dilute Ruppersberger or Sarbanes' seats, though. Kerry won those districts by less than 10 points. Any less Democratic and they might be vulnerable in a bad Dem year.

Hoyer's district will not likely be diluted, either, since he's the Majority Leader.


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But he can stand to let go of a few
He's got a D+11 district, which means it's probably like D+9 in a normal year.  It's got room, even after he retires.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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It is fairly easy to make a 7-1 Maryland delegation
The question is, whether to go for 8-0.  I would strenuously argue no, but if Kratovil wins in 2010 and Bartlett (very old) retires, there will be a great temptation to do so.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again
Bartlett will be in that seat until he dies. He's way too crotchety to do anything else.

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Doubt they will
It's risky.  Better off going for a solid 7-1 map, which is what I suspect MD Dems will do regardless of whether Kratovil wins in 2010.

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