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SSP Daily Digest: 11/10 (Part II)

by: Crisitunity

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM EST


CT-Sen: Rumors are popping up that ex-Rep. Rob Simmons, still the GOP Senate primary's frontrunner by most people's estimation but financially outgunned on a variety of different fronts, may switch to the now-open gubernatorial race. Simmons, however, says his plans are "unchanged," and touts his foreign policy background, saying that's much more useful in the Senate. Meanwhile, an interesting CQ piece looks at pro wrestling svengali Linda McMahon's role in the race, and wonders whether her vast fortunes will really help her that much in a state where a convention attended by party insiders (where Simmons would be favored) is decisive in shaping the field. (Although even if she doesn't win the convention outright or meet the 15% threshold for getting on the ballot, she can still get on the ballot by collecting enough signatures -- certainly an expensive process, but one she could pay for with whatever change she finds under her couch cushions.)

FL-Sen: Here's about as close as you can get to a Jeb Bush endorsement without his lips actually moving. Bush's sons, Jeb Bush Jr. and George P. Bush, are headlining a Marco Rubio fundraiser in mid-December.

CT-Gov: Ned Lamont is already staffing up, and a familiar face is going to be one of his key advisors: Howard Wolfson. Wolfson was adviser to Lamont in 2006, but is better known for his lead role in Hillary Clinton's campaign last year, as well as Michael Bloomberg's campaign this year.

MN-Gov: Minneapolis mayor R.T. Rybak ran into a snafu with his campaign still on the launching pad, as the state's campaign finance board ruled that he spent money on his campaign before he'd filed the campaign paperwork. Rybak paid for a message-testing poll, although it didn't directly ask questions about the governor's race. If you want to see the whole polling memo (not something you usually get to see with internal polls), check it out.

WI-Gov: Politics abhors a vacuum, and Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett is acting quickly to fill the vacuum that has formed on the Democratic side of the gubernatorial race. He says he'll make a decision "one way or the other" by the week's end.

CO-04: Although state Rep. Cory Gardner is clearly the NRCC's favorite in the Republican field, that didn't deter former Ft. Collins city councilor Diggs Brown, who will be announcing his candidacy on Saturday. He had been considered a likely candidate all year, but was on a year-long Army deployment and unable to announce until now. Univ. of Colorado Regent Tom Lucero rounds out the trio of GOPers seeking to take on first-term Dem Rep. Betsy Markey.

FL-13: James Golden, an African-American minister, attorney and former Bradenton city councilor, launched his campaign last week against Rep. Vern Buchanan. Golden will face an uphill fight against the self-funding Buchanan -- unless Buchanan, facing ongoing scrutiny over mysterious campaign finance machinations, goes down in a legal implosion.

ID-01: This may be a surprise, or may not -- state House majority leader Ken Roberts withdrew from the GOP primary race to take on freshman Dem Rep. Walt Minnick. Roberts cited health reasons. Roberts initially would have seemed to have a leg up based on name recognition, but veteran and former McCain campaign official Vaughn Ward seemed to be capturing most of the buzz, including a good fundraising start and NRCC touting.

IN-03: Democrats have taken notice in the last few cycles of Rep. Mark Souder's decidedly lackadaisical approach to re-election in this dark-red district, but now someone from the teabaggy right is taking notice too, and launching a primary campaign. Republican Attorney Phil Troyer (a former staffer to Dick Lugar and Dan Coats) announced his campaign today. (This seems less like an ideological challenge, as Souder is down-the-line conservative, as just opportunistic, taking advantage of his sloth.) Tom Hayhurst, who narrowly lost in 2006, is on track to the Democratic nod again.

MN-03: Add a second Democratic challenger to the list in the 3rd: Minnesota PTA president, and executive director of the Minnesota Optometrists Association, Jim Meffert filed to run. He joins psychiatrist Maureen Hackett; they may still both be joined by state Sen. Teri Bonoff, although Meffert says that Bonoff has hinted to him that she's likely to take a pass.

NJ-03: Best wishes to state Sen. Diane Allen, who is entering treatment for an aggressive form of cancer. The moderate Allen, who lost the 2002 Senate primary and was short-listed for Lt. Governor this year, had been considered a possible candidate against Rep. John Adler in the 3rd.

NV-02: We've got another Democrat lined up to go against Rep. Dean Heller in the 2nd (after Cindy Trigg dropped out several months ago), and he has a strong resume. Jack Schofield is a member of the state's Board of Regents, and is a former state Senator. Unfortunately, he may not be running the most vigorous campaign in the world, as he was a state Senator in the 1970s, and is a World War II veteran (do the math).

NY-23: The Washington Post has a nice, human-level retrospective on Dede Scozzafava's collapse in the special election and the difference in how the GOP and the Dems treated her, leading to her Bill Owens endorsement. Meanwhile, things continue to play out, as Scozzafava either stepped down from or was stripped of her leadership role in the Assembly Republicans, depending on who you believe. Start counting down to her party switch (not that the Assembly Dems need the help, what with their 109-41 margin).

OH-02: What's with all these former Apprentice contestants thinking that's somehow a stepping stone to political office? Surya Yalimanchili is now planning to run as an independent in the 2nd, currently held by GOP Rep. Jean Schmidt. He's sounding centrist notes so far rather than sounding teabaggy, though, so he may not help the Dems too much by siphoning off far-right Republican votes.

PA-07: One more Democrat is getting into the open seat field in the 7th, although it's unclear whether she'll get much traction against state Rep. Bryan Lentz. Environmental lawyer Gail Conner, an Obama convention delegate last year, threw her hat into the ring.

PA-11: Third time's the charm? It looks like Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta will give crusty Dem incumbent Paul Kanjorski another challenge next year. Barletta fell just a few points shy of knocking off Kanjorski last year, prompting Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien to enter the Democratic primary for the seat. With pressure from both sides, one has to wonder if Kanjo will hit the eject button. (J)

PA-17: Here's an example of how voting against health care reform does Blue Dogs a fat lot of good: Rep. Tim Holden got about two days of peace before a Republican state Senator started making noises about a campaign against him anyway. Holden has had little in the way of opposition recently, but now he may face David Argall, who represents Holden's coal-country turf of Schuylkill County. Relatedly, over in Ohio's 16th, a Cleveland Plain Dealer profile of fellow anti-HCR vote John Boccieri shows how he managed to win over exactly no Republicans while ticking off his base.

PA-19: With Republican Rep. Todd Platts looking to bail on the House and head over to the GAO, candidates are already scoping out the potential special election. Although it's a dark-red district (R+12), one good-sounding Dem is gearing up: Ryan Sanders, real estate developer, president of the Red Lion Area Business Association, and most usefully, an organizer for the Obama campaign in York County.

UT-02: More fallout from the health care reform vote: Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson (one of the 'no' votes) may, as a result, be facing a primary challenge from the left from state Sen. Scott McCoy (Utah's only gay state Senator and one of its few liberals). The Salt Lake City-based district is still strongly Republican, although it hasn't presented Matheson with much trouble lately.

MI-St. Sen.: Here's an interesting look at the fight by Dems to reclaim the state Senate in Michigan (currently held 22-16 by the GOP, but where the majority of seats are open next year), which would give them the redistricting trifecta. Even if they don't pick it up (or do while losing the gubernatorial race), the state Supreme Court breaks any logjam, making next year's Supreme Court elections paramount too. The article also contains a map of the Dems' preferred redistricting plan, to turf out Rep. Vern Ehlers by creating a Dem-leaning 3rd District linking Grand Rapids and Muskegon.

NH-St. Sen.: A special election will be happening in New Hampshire, giving the Dems the chance to add to their narrow lead in the state Senate there (they currently have a 14-10 edge). Republican state Sen. Ted Gatsas is poised to resign after having been elected Manchester mayor. Democratic state Rep. Jeff Goley is set to get into the race, though several other state House Dems are looking at it too.

Mayors: The Seattle mayor's race has finally come to an end, with as late-breaking ballots are going more toward former local Sierra Club leader Mike McGinn. Joe Mallahan conceded after McGinn's lead pushed up to nearly 5,000, for a 51-49 edge.

Ads: In the wake of this weekend's health care vote, the DNC is planning to target 32 House Republicans in Obama districts who voted 'no.' They aren't planning on using paid media yet, but will use the OFA campaign e-mail lists to organize in those districts. Meanwhile, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee is promising ads against 10 'no' votes, saying it's "payback" time: Barrow, Shuler, Herseth Sandlin, Murphy, Altmire, Nye, Kissell, Adler, Kosmas, and Ross.

Demographics: If you're like me, you may spend a lot of time wondering how Scandinavian-Americans got so liberal and Dutch-Americans got so conservative. Dreaminonempty takes a look at ancestry and voting patterns in a very interesting diary at Open Left.

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I have a question -
I always enjoy reading the Congressional race roundups here at SSP, but - does anyone know of a running list of candidates for Congressional races in 2010? Is this available anywhere on the Internet?

I did a cursory look at the races in North Carolina and Ohio, the two states where I have lived most of my life, and I could only find a few Republican-held seats where we have a Democratic candidate challenger in play for 2010.

Quite a contrast from two and four years ago, when there was such an emphasis on "contesting every district..."

Anyway, just wanted to ask if anyone knows of such a list. It's really going to be a shame if we don't have a Democratic candidate on the ballot in dozens of races nationwide. I also can't help but think that it will depress base turnout if we ignore Congressional races in deep red districts.


Ok, Utah has a liberal gay state senator ???? eom


Yes
Salt Lake City is more gay friendly than you would think. There is also two openly gay memebers in the Utah State House.  

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Two? In Utah?
Wow.  I knew Georgia and it's lone gay state legislator was bad, but I can't believe we're getting beaten by Utah.  Although we'll hopefully get another in December.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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That would be an interesting comparison
A chart of each state by number of gay legislators in the state House/Senate.

And you'd get a bonus point if you have an LGBT Congressman (congratulations CO, MA & WI).

And you'd lose a point if you have a closeted Congressman (which means CA is going to be lower than you think...thanks a lot, David Dreier).

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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I might be a nerd Crisitunity
But I don't think I'm quite nerdy enough to care about that sort of thing (and I'm a Swed myself!)

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


Respectfully
Respectfully, I disagree. I, for one, am totally nerdy enough to be interested in the demographics info.

However, I don't think this particular link is a particularly strong source. It's interesting, but the data isn't contextualized enough. For example, there are citations that in KS, most Euro ethnic groups are quite conservative...which is true, as far as it goes, but Kansas is a conservative state.

The big Swede area, the town of Lindsborg in McPherson County, is actually a tiny bit more liberal that its surrounding similar rural towns, but it's hard to track because the county itself is overwhelmed, voting-wise, by the town of McPherson (half the county's population lives there).

After all, even the most conservative Swedish political party would be considered center-left or liberal in the US.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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A better way to determine how they voted...
Would be by precinct (and using the Census map to see which groups live where). Even if 60% of, say, Swedes live in a certain county it is only guessing to say that most of them supported Obama just because the county did. Or McCain if he won it. Now if its an overwhelming majority who voted for him...then yeah its pretty self-evident. But not if its a close race in that county. And in that blog it said Obama had the support of most Polish Americans. If accurate, then alot of that may be because...1) So many live in his home state of IL. 2) Many also live in metro Detroit which McCain basically gave up (along with the rest of MI). I think a better indicator of party preference, in Pres. elections, would be the 2000 and 2004 numbers, IMO. 2008 was almost a landslide.

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And I am skeptical Obama got a majority of Poles
Because they really, really liked the guy. Those are some pretty culturally conservative folks.

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Yes it would
You're exactly right.  :)  In many cases doing an analysis by precinct is the only way to go.  Which is how I did it for most groups, including Polish in seven different counties in six different states (MN, IL, NE, PA, WI, and NY).  Obama had strong support among Polish Americans in each of these communities.  In fact, the reason I kept doing more Polish communities was because I was surprised support was so strong.  I had expected support to be much weaker outside of Illinois.

As far as 2000 and 2004, Obama outperformed Kerry and Gore by only a few percentage points.  This is small relative to the uncertainty in the estimates.  There are definitely differences, however, related to the unique appeal of Bush, Kerry, Gore, McCain, and Obama to different populations.


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Thanks for posting that
Very interesting and cool that you voted by precinct in many of those counties. In a way Im not surprised Obama did strong with Poles, ditto Kerry and Gore as they are economically populist and very pro-labor. But then again I am as they are also culturally conservative. But, as we have seen in places like NE OH a vote for Pres. is all about economic issues. Could be the same for Poles, in general.

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Swedes in Kansas.
Swedes in Kansas are likely a little more liberal than their neighbors, it's true.  There's a high degree of uncertainty though.  Lindsborg (28% Swede, 41% Obama) is certainly less conservative than McPherson (9% Swede, 32% Obama), but Marquette (34% Swede, 34% Obama) is just about as conservative, and it has the highest proportion of Swedes of any census district in the county >200 population.  Bonaville, pop 65, is 65% Swedish and voted 16% for Obama (43 voters total), but with such a small population this could easily be the result of family politics!

What I was trying to illustrate is that ancestry is just one of many factors determining a community's voting patterns; in this case, living in Kansas next to a bunch of conservative neighbors likely has a strong effect too.

Your criticism is accurate, that the data are not contextualized enough - simply because that would take too much space, sadly.

The great thing about Swing State Project is that somebody can pipe up about the demographics of McPherson County, Kansas!  :)


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PA-17
Is this the same David Argall who was just elected to the State Senate a couple of months ago?

Methinks Holden will be fine.

Male, 23, DC-At Large


Good point
He was in the state House from 1984 until 2009, though (including 4 years as minority whip), so he's been around for a long time.

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Fair enough
It's probably worth remembering, however, that the PA State House has 203 members, so even if he has been around for ages and ages, he only represented a small sliver of the constituency he hopes to represent at the federal level (roughly 1/11th, if my back-of-the-envelope calculations are close to correct).

And besides, Holden has probably been the single most scrappy and versatile member of the PA delegation for many years now. It seems to be the conventional wisdom, even among state Republicans, that the seat is going to be his as long as he wants it.

Male, 23, DC-At Large


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He's not up
for re-election to the Senate until 2012, so Argall has a free shot at Holden in 2010 and is rolling the dice on a 94-sized event. I agree that Holden is super-entrenched, and I don't think Argall would be giving up his nice safe Senate seat for a run at Holden.

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Its sad that Walt Minnick is going to loose next cycle
Idaho is so damn red, its nice to see a strip of blue congressionaly in there.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Is it a foregone conclusion that he's going to lose?
If he does, though, I'm not sure I'll be too sad. He votes with the Republicans I think 60% of the time or something.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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I hate to sound like a parrot
But that also means that he votes with Democrats 40% of the time, which is 40% more than a Republican elected from the same district would. 40%, or 0%. Take your pick. He isn't always there with us on every vote, but nor should he be.  

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I get that
But it's up to the voters in that district to make that choice. I'm not rooting for him to lose; I'm just saying I won't feel very bad about it if he does. I may be forgetting one or two votes, but it seems to me, while he's way better than an extremist like Sali, he hasn't made any really important votes for the Democrats. Someone who won't vote for decent guaranteed health care is basically worthless to me.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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I disagree on Minnick
This is not the South.  There is a decent chance that we will improve significantly over the years in a district like ID-1, I could well see Obama getting 40-45% there in 2012.

The one thing that bothers me about Minnick is his age, he is 68.


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No, it's not the south
But it is intrinsically quite red.

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I don't think it has to be
Idaho at 59%, has one of the smallest religious populations outside the Northeast.

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It's also the #2 Mormon state, though
n/t

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Yeah
But that's Pocatello, Twin Falls, Idaho Falls, and the rest of southern Idaho.  ID-02 is the Mormon seat and may always be...depending on Boise's move towards a liberal ideopolis  ID-01 is a different brand of crazy...militia folks, white supremacists (maybe not many as anymore, considering the demise of The Aryan Nation at Hayden Lake), andassorted far-right libertarians/teabaggers.  Not religious.  It also has Moscow, ID--the main university town. Does it also have Sun Valley and the other ski towns?  If not, that should be the one redistricting move we pull off.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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Possibly.
I did see that Blaine County, which contains Sun Valley and other ski resorts, is in ID-02. It's the most Democratic county, being the only Kerry county in 2004, and even in the 1998 State Treasurer's race, the Republican was opposed only by a candidate from the Reform Party...and STILL lost Blaine!

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


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Dream gerrymander
Don't split Boise, take the whole county and then run east to Blaine.  We could have a shot at that.

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What's Idaho's redistricting process like?
Is it totally Republican-controlled or determined by a non-partisan panel of some kind?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Bipartisan panel of 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans.
Of course, they seem to change the method of redistricting every census, so who knows if it'll be the same this time.

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Boise being such a fast growing metro area
gives me hope for ID-1.  I could see it being an R+5 district in a decade or so.

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The one problem unfortunately
is GOP gerrymandering.  The GOP intentionally put the most Democratic areas of Boise in ID-2.  My guess is that they will do the same in 2012.

Even so, Minnick did better in the ID-1 part of Ada County, barely with 52%, than he did districtwide.  OTOH, Mike Simpson got just 56% in the ID-2 part of Ada County, while he won 73% districtwide.


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Idaho actually has a bipartisan redistricting committee
Scroll down to the second section, and there's a brief (but interesting) history of Idaho's redistricting process over the last few decades:

http://www.idaholibraries.org/...


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No but it isn't hopeless either
If Minnick was 20 years younger and he held on in 2010, he would hold the district for quite a while.

The Dems have a much better chance here than they do in some rural district in Alabama, for example.  


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That just isnt proven
and considering that the the rural south has been voting for Democratis for CENTURIES and that this tradition is still very much in full force, as exampled by several state legislatures still being controlled by the Democrats in the South, Minnick has got to have a worst shot at keeping his seat than Bright, Griffith, Taylor, Childers, etc.

Yes, there has been some VERY obvious shifts in the South from very conservative Democrats to very conservative Republicans, but saying that Minnick has a better shot at re-election as opposed to many of our southern Dems in much safer Democrats because of where the region they represent just isnt something we can predict in any sort of certainty.

Plus, Id love to see some statistics and facts about the shift in the South from Dems to GOPers with concern to incumbency.  Louisiana elected its first GOP Senator since reconstruction in 2004, but only when it became an open seat.  How many of the losses in LA, MS, AL in the state legislatures have been in open seats vs defeating incumbents?


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Using that logic
Incumbent Democrats have done a pretty good job of holding seats too.  Richard Stallings won ID-2 from a very corrupt incumbent in 1984 by 200 votes but held it until he ran for the Senate in 1992.  Larry Larocco held ID-1 from 1990 to 1994.

I also wouldn't put Taylor in the same category as the other three.  He has held that seat for a long long time.

While I think Minnick is more likely to lose than not, and the non-Southern Dem most likely to lose, I would put 5-10 Southern/border Dems more likely to lose than Minnick.


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Even if Minnick loses and is a one-term wonder
    We have to thank him for defeating Bill "That idiot..." Sali.  I wouldn't bet on Minnick getting reelected, but his election was good for the district.

   On the opposite side of the aisle it was good for Joe Cao to knock off Bill "Cold Cash" Jefferson. I don't expect or want Cao to be reelected, but sometimes it is good for an out party to win to get rid of a bad incumbent of the dominant party of the district. In the next cycle the district can go back to its normal pattern. Same thing happened in the '90s with Rostenkowski in IL. His GOP successor lasted one term.

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28


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I agree about Cao
Disagree about Sali.  He is a moron who made the GOP look bad, and I think having a good 50-100 GOP morons like Sali, Bachmann, Wilson, etc who can't keep their mouth shut only helps the Dems.

Although, I would like to see those types limited to the South, so we can frame the GOP as a bigoted Old South backwater party.  While we can build our party in the South as the "New South" party.


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Well
you are the one who includes Taylor, Skelton, Ross, Snyder, Berry, etc in your list of Dem southerners who may be going down in 2010 due to tea baggers.

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Well
My list includes all 31 Southern/border mostly rural Dems which are not held by a black/Latino or are in major heavily Dem metro areas and effectively are not culturally Southern (RTP, NoVa, Baltimore, DC, Nashville, Miami, Tampa etc).  

I never said all of them will go down, rather I'm predicting 10-15 will go down.  I don't think Ross or Berry will go down, and Taylor and Snyder are only slightly vulnerable.  Skelton, OTOH, I would put down as a seriously vulnerable.

One of these days when I have time I will write a diary giving my ratings for all 31 seats.  


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The Michigan articule is interesting, but...
I'm not sure saying that's the Dems' preferred Redistricting plan is quite accurate. That's the West Michigan Dems' preferred redistricting plan, but, here in East Michigan, there's a lot of us that want to redistrict the 11th (McCotter) out of existence. There are probably ways to do both at once if the Dems can get the Senate and Gov. (We're not losing the House.) But, whether redistricting is up to them or not, getting Bob Young out of the MI SC is crucial.

My preferred plan
would be to eliminate McCotter, draw Rogers out of his district, and draw one more W. Michigan seat.  And strengthen Schauer.

Basically a solid 10-4 Democratic map.


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The OpenLeft
blog post you link to, a total must-read if you live in the Upper Midwest.

It finally explained to me why the Red River Valley part of MN is so Republican, they are all of German ancestry!  


Scandinavian-American liberals
I have a personal theory on why Scandinavian-Americans are more liberal. Hundreds of years ago, the most conservative, hot-blooded Scandinavians became Vikings and either moved elsewhere or were killed. The people who were left were the more peaceful, reasonable Scandinavians, which is perhaps why their descendants are so liberal.

It's really fascinating to read about some of the liberal Scandinavian-American political activity in the early 1900s. In Rockford, Illinois, there was actually a majority of Swedish-American Socialists on the city council at one point in the 1920s. Rockford multiple Swedish-American Socialist mayors between 1921 and 1953. One of them, Herman Hallstrom, was actually born in Sweden and immigrated to Rockford at the age of 20 in 1908, becoming mayor at the age of 32 in 1921.

There was a huge Swedish-American socialist movement in the Midwest in the early part of the 20th century, called Svenska Socialisten. By 1920, there were 68 Swedish-American socialist clubs with over 2,500 members nationwide. There is no longer really a Swedish-American socialist movement, but Swedish-Americans have been involved in liberal politics in the U.S. essentially since they first immigrated here.


In Norway, for example
They take pride in being the 'descendants of vikings', meaning that many vikings returned to their homeland. But the vikings of Norway, Denmark and Sweden are different. Especially the Swedes, who didnt even go to the British Isles. They went to Russia and Ukraine, for example and were known as the Varangians. And from what I know most Vikings did not stay in the British Isles (not counting the Normans). Just basing it on what ive seen with historical records. Also, I would venture to guess that Scandinavian society was quite conservative up until the 20th century, perhaps before. Maybe less so than most European countries but still conservative. And cultural shifts can happen in a short span of time. France was pretty conservative, I believe, until around the French Revolution (which, originally at least, was as anti-church as the Russian Revolution was). German lands (especially the ones as part of the Holy Roman Empire) were also pretty conservative until the 1800s or so.

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MA-SEN: In shift, Capuano says he might vote against health bill
Why Coakley?
I'm not sure what angle you're coming from on this. Is your support for Coakley because you like the fact that she was the first candidate to voice opposition to the bill if it has the Stupak amendment? Or is it because you disagree with Capuano's vote the other day on the bill with the Stupak amendment in it?

I don't want to debate the merits of the Stupak amendment or abortion policy, just want to know how this story relates to your support for Coakley.


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First of all Capuano flip flops while Coakley knows what she stands for.
Here are the reason to vote for Capuano over Coakley.
-Since Capuano has been in the house he has never made a single floor floor speech or passed any legislation (ex he is a do nothing congressman).
Coakley has challenged DOMA, sued Wall Street, and Health Care companies.

Enough of the Creigh Deeds, Dan Seals, Lee Fisher type of candidates. Martha Coakley will fight for Massachusetts not use the seat to travel the world on the taxpayer dime like Capuano.  


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I
personally don't have a dog in this race. Can't wait for the attack ads to start flying though.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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blown call
Capuano really did just blow it with me.  

Good think I've been thinking about supporting Pagliuca anyway

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Pagluica supported Romney, Bush and donated money to the GOP
Don't let him buy your vote with the rediculous amount of commercials he runs.  

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It's not at all clear to me
why Creigh Deeds, Dan Seals and Lee Fisher belong in the same categorical "type" of candidate.

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I don't get it either
I think the category is "politicians jmartin doesn't like"

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All trainwreck candidates who loose elections


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So now Capuano would lose the special election too?
Hardly.

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He'd win only because of the blue DNA of mass
but hes is a horrible candidate. Seriously, if you want another Barbara Boxer or Chuck Schumer in the senate vote for Coakley. If you want another John Kerry vote for Capuano.

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Dude, John Kerry
John Kerry's not that bad as a Senator. He's a sucky presidential candidate, yes, but his name's on the frickin' Senate climate change bill with Boxer. And he's quite strong on foreign relations. So your argument is weak there, I think.

That said, if I lived in Mass., I'd still totally vote Coakley. She's been a pretty badass consumer advocate as Attorney General. And she challenged DOMA, which is cool, too. And Capuano's done nothing to distinguish himself...

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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I think that's kind of his point
Kerry hasn't done much to distinguish himself.  Ok, yeah he's done quite a bit as a Senator, but a Senator since the 1970's?  If it weren't for him being our presidential nominee in 2004, I wouldnt see him much as a leader on anything.  I think that is the question we need to ask ourselves, if he wasn't our nominee in 2004, how many of us would look at him as a leader in the Senate?

I will distance myself a bit from Jmartin's statements, however.  Kerry has been a great ally to our progressive causes and has done great work in the Senate.  But i can see his/her point quite clearly.


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Kerry was first elected in 1984
   which was a long time ago, but not the 1970s. He was the junior Senator from MA for many years...

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28

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"Do Nothing Congressman"
See, when you said the part about having never passed a bill, know what lights went off in my head?

Mike DeWine on Sherrod Brown, 2006. deWine used that line of attack early on to describe Brown. Heck, Carly Fiorina just used the same line on Boxer for passing 3 bills in the Senate in her entire career. It's just  . . . weak and has been proven so in the results generated by both of those Senators.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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A Floor Speech?
Really? If you like Coakley that's your business, but personally I think members of Congress can probably do more good when they are actually working on legislation or oversight or constituent services than when they are showing off for the 253 people who watch C-Span.

I'm not an expert on this race but from a "how s/he will vote" perspective I can't imagine national Democrats ever being disappointed in Capuano, given his record in the House. Maybe Coakley would be that strong, but it's tough to tell given the job she's had.


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Ive done many a Model United Nation
and the people who gave tons of long winded speeches I ignored were rarely the people working on resolutions and getting things passed.

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For everyone who thinks floor speeches dont matter



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Dude, George Miller's a committee chair
Of course he's speaking about the bill, most committee chairs (and ranking minority members) say something about the bill on the House floor, but that doesn't mean that speeches matter (they don't) all the important things which happen are happening behind the scenes and not in front of the podium (that is something which Chairman Miller is keenly aware of).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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So I guess according to you everything that happened on the house floor last saturday other than the vote was completely irrelavant
That would also make anything Alan Grayson said irrelavant.

I guess all Capuano has to do is tell everyone he does stuff behind the scenes and everyone will just jump to the conclusion that he is a hard working congressman. Well as a Massachusetts voter I dont buy that BS. She actually has real accomplishments like taking on DOMA, Healthcare companies, and Wallstreet. That should be enough to vote for her over a do-nothing congressman, someone trying to buy the election, and an extremely confused outsider. This would also explain why she has led consistently in all five primary polls by more than 20%.


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I don't really care who wins the Mass primary
All I'm saying is that floor speeches are completely irrelevant to getting legislation through congress, and to think that a good legislator is one who makes lots and lots of floor speeches is someone who is extremely naive about the legislative process.

Rep. Grayson isn't some special exception to the rule, and if you want to believe otherwise that's fine with me, you just happen to be quite wrong in that belief.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Ok under your logic
Why not then just get rid of floor speeches, why even have a capital if everything is done behind the scenes, why not just have all the senators and congressman communicating from home and drafting and passing bills over the internet. Then everyone can say they are all hard working behind the scenes whether they are involved or not. While this may sound completely absurd that is exactly where your logic leads to.

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simple
because the floor speeches are an important part of letting we the people know who's doing what.  I can watch those floor speeches and get an understanding of who's doing what and why.  If my congressman gets up and says hes voting against HCR and says why I have the ability to decide whether I agree or disagree with his reasoning.  

The floor speeches sway no votes what-so-ever.  Its just another chance for a congressman to make the news and explain themselves.  

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First of all
It isn't "my logic", it's the way both the House and the Senate work, floor speeches simply don't have any impact on legislation.

Second of all, you'll find that there are a lot of things like that which exist in the House and Senate (the Vice President being "President of the Senate" is an excellent example of this, since the only real thing VP Biden does that's even related to the Senate is to cast the tie-breaking vote, which is becoming quite irrelevant now).

You don't like it, take it up with Congress, not me.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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I run a Model UN program at my college
and I force my delegates to keep their speeches to 10 seconds under the speaking time for that very reason, to keep them brief and to the point. I think Congress could adopt the same rule! :p

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This is just odd
They are trying to replace Ted Kennedy and want to continue his legacy (it seems anyway)...yet he would have most definitely voted for the HCR bills. Because he believes in compromise. Yes he was a fierce partisan and very liberal...and his voting record matches it as well as his fiery speeches...but he was a master bipartisan. What they are doing is more Dennis Kucinich than Ted Kennedy.

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But i'll give them this...
At least theyre trying to be their own man and woman and not basically saying 'I'll be a Ted Kennedy clone'.  

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actually crisitunity,
I HAVE wondered about Dutch immigrants, as my father immigrated in the 1950's from Holland and I was never able to understand why he is as far to the right as he is, even having lived most of his life in Southern California! Thank you for the link!

My neighbor is Belgian
and he complains about how far to the right the Dutch are--in Europe!  He's a foreign exchange student; I think the Republican Party will show him that Holland is the least of the left's worries.  :)

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UT-02
It looks like McCoy wasnt serious about challenging Matheson. Seems more like a swipe at Matheson for voting against the healthcare bill.

http://www.sltrib.com/utahpoli...


Did anyone seriously expect Matheson to vote for the bill?


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Yes I did
Matheson is pretty entrenched and is in a district that is growing more Democratic (unlike most of teh Dems in the rural South.)

I expected that he would vote for the bill.


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He's entrenched because
he votes against our legislation on many issues and voting for HCR wouldve been a giant f up on his behalf.

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Matheson
if he voted for the health care bill, that would be the end of his career. As they say, "All politics is local."  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Matheson
isnt going nowhere. He is now in his 5th term and won some very tough challenges. His district is getting more Dem where he outperformed Obama by 24% last year and he always has his family name.

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The same day as the healthcare vote
He had been named the new Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications, replacing Charlie Melancon who resigned to focus on his Senate bid. Of the 4 Blue Dog leaders (Herseth-Sandlin, Matheson, Hill, and Shuler), Hill was the only one who voted for the bill, but he is probably the most powerful member of the Coalition and so Pelosi pushed him to vote for it to send a message. Matheson and Hill have the same number of terms in Congress, but Matheson does have atougher district and has to walk a finer line IMO.


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Ellsworth
Hill also had cover from Brad Ellsworth, who voted for the bill. Basically, if I was Hill, I would probably just match the insanely popular Ellsworth's voting record exactly and hope for the best.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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IN-03
This could be too good to be true.  Mark Souder is, as Cristunity correctly says, a "down-the-line" conservative.  But, he's part of the establishment now, seems to at least live most of his life on this planet (although he says blazingly stupid stuff now and then) -- but his biggest problem is that he's about as invisible a Congressman as you'll find.  If some teabagging nutjob comes out with all guns blazing, this could be fun!!

Half the district is in Fort Wayne and its suburbs, and this is a battleground now -- Democrats have actually carried "The Fort" against the GOP in several elections recently, and even many of the Republicans are of the more reasonable variety. But you get into some of the other more rural counties in the district (especially Kosciusko -- Obama's worst county in the state, I think), you get into prime Teabagging/Birther Territory.  Add the fact that it is a really cheap district to run a campaign in, as I said, this could be fun to watch if this challenge goes anywhere.

Add to this Wacky Jackie in IN-02 and Marvin Scott running again here in Indy, the Republicans are putting their craziest foot forward next fall in Indiana!


PA-19
That will be tough for a Democrat to win. I know because I lived near PA-19 for 2 years, and had coworkers from PA-19. In order to win, the Democrat will have to concede cultural issues (abortion, etc) and tax issues. Issues that could help the Democrats in this district (of done right) are environmentalism, transportation and economic populism.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

I think this district as well as PA-16
would have been easier to win during the late times of teh Bush Presidency.

South Central PA is influenced heavily by the peace churches and was supportive of the abolitionist movement.  My guess is that is why a Obama did really well for a Democrat there, he was helped by being a black anti-war candidate.


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The region is slowly becoming more liberal
as more people from Philadelphia and Baltimore move in. I think it's only a matter of time until Democrats become competitive there.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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I met Ryan Sanders.
  That is, the presumptive Democratic nominee for PA-19.  He was at a DFA meeting at Gettysburg College.  Everyone thought he would be running against an incumbent.  He's a smart man, but needs more work on retail politics.

24, Male, GA-05

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No way we're winning that district
here is the best statewide Democratic performance in recent memory. Bob Casey still doesn't look to have won the district.  

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Casey's Performance in 2006 was better there.
  It's a longshot of course.  The Republicans would have to nominate a teabagger.  They might.  The only district in Pennsylvania unwinnable for Democrats is Shuster's Ninth.

24, Male, GA-05

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No it
wasn't.

I believe that even a totally nutjob teabagger would be favored there.  


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Obama 08 did better than Casey 06 in Lancaster
even though he did worse statewide. That means the region became substantially more Democratic in just 2 years.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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Unless. . .it doesn't
I am very hesitant to draw such conclusions from any one election.  

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I agree with you
The 2008 election took place under conditions of near-depression, when people were impelled to vote for someone of the opposing party, who promised a change. I think a lot of areas that went for Obama may revert to a somewhat more Republican tinge under different conditions.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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From being a geek
and going through election results in the uber rich far out suburbs on Lake Minnetonka in MN, I think this a strong possibility.

Most of these cities have been 2-1 GOP strongholds while in 2008, it was around 55-45 McCain-Obama.  BUT, they still voted 2-1 for Rep. Paulsen, former Sen. Coleman, and their state rep.  

However, Im really hopefully that even if these revert back in 2012, at least in MN we'll make that group up with the suburbs not as far out and who have pretty uniformly elected DFLers for the state legislature in 2004-2008.  And those Lake Minnetonka suburbs are for the most part have very small populations, while the suburbs where we can make up tons of ground are pretty much all 50k pop.

Id say this probably mirrors the DC suburbs in VA and the Philly burbs.

On election night 2012, Im really excited to see how the OC votes.  They'd be a great bell-weather if they werent on the West Coast.


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Careful about making comparisons
I was born and have family in Mission Viejo (the OC), grew up and went to high school in Orono (far out Lake Minnetonka suburbs in MN), and lived in Fairfax, VA (Washington suburbs) for five years.  So, yeah...I know those areas like the back of my hand (I also lived in the Dallas-Ft. Worth 'burbs for a couple years as well, notice a trend?).  I can tell you those three areas are very different from each other in a lot of ways and their voting patterns vary as a result.  The west Minneapolis lake suburbs have been blueing for some time now - Minnetonka, Plymouth, Robbinsdale, and Hopkins have all been going Dem since voting straight-ticket GOP in 2002 IIRC.  That's because those areas are becoming more working class and aren't as tied to the lake as the smaller communities.  The places you're referring to - Excelsior, Minnetonka Beach, Wayzata, Orono, Deephaven - are not only extremely wealthy but 10-15 years ago were also very rural (and still are depending on where you go).  So, you have a combination of socially conservative communities combined with economically conservative folks who want their huge plots of land and want to be left alone and away from Minneapolis.  Let's face it - most wealthy liberals live in the Lake of the Isles district in Minneapolis, most wealthy conservatives live off of Lake Minnetonka.  I don't see that changing anytime soon for the small towns in the region, although with the expansion of Highway 12/Freeway 394 it may encourage more rapid suburbanization in that region and start the trend we've seen in the aforementioned "inner core" suburbs of the Twin Cities (assuming those communities change their homeowner laws and allow smaller developments to exist).

The Fairfax/Washington suburbs are almost all transplants, most of them from other population-rich areas in the Northeast or Midwest that moved to DC to get better work.  A lot of them work in government or government contracting, so they tend to vote more Democratic (there are the weapons contractors out there but not enough to make a huge difference).  The exurbs of Fairfax/Loudoun Counties tend to be more economically conservative - they're the ones who trade a murderous commute for a big home and the suburban dream - so they can be swingy (supported Warner/Kaine/Obama, but also went for Bush in '04/McDonnell).

The OC is different.  It's been GOP since the days of Nixon, and has been home to the defense industry as well as the megachurch community in California.  That's why places like Irvine are still nutjob conservative.  It has been blueing, but if you look at the breakdown it's largely due to the heavy influx of Latino/Asian immigrants in places like Anaheim, Garden Grove and Santa Ana.  There's also more young people and residents from LA County move outward, and they're bringing their Democratic tendencies with them.

The GOP as a whole has been struggling with the suburban vote after having dominated that group in the '70's and '80's.  That's because the first generation of suburbanites were "White Flight" types who were focused on law and order issues (Willie Horton proved decisive in flipping these voters in the '88 Presidential).  However, the newer generation are concerned about issues like transportation, urban sprawl, energy, and education - issues that inherently require government intervention and that current Republican ideology hasn't really been updated to address yet.  Sorry for this long response, but I've been fascinated by the surburban vote for a long time and have been meaning to write a diary on it too.  I just need some help/ with the numbers crunching.  Anyone wanta to co-author?


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Count me in!


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Awesome
You got a place where I could contact you off-forum?  

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Here's my email.
saraann.maxwell "at" gmail "dot" com

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Well the Dems have done better
in some of these counties.  Obama did better in Lancaster and Chester Counties in 2008, for example.

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