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SSP Daily Digest: 11/10 (Part I)

by: Crisitunity

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM EST


FL-Sen: Rep. Bill Young usually steers clear of endorsements, and the GOP Senate primary is no exception, even though Charlie Crist is a resident of his district. After attending a Pinellas County GOP event with Marco Rubio, Young reiterated that he wasn't endorsing -- and that his wife's repeated gushing to the press that "I love Marco!" wasn't an endorsement either. (A Pinellas County straw poll is set for January, which could be a big repudiation for Crist if he loses a straw poll in his own county.)

IL-Sen: The Cheryle Jackson camp has an internal poll via Celinda Lake on the Democratic primary field in Illinois (although Chris Cillizza seems to be the only person who's seen it yet). State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias has a big, though not insurmountable, lead at 31, followed by Jackson at 13 and David Hoffman at 8. That leaves 45% still undecided, with only about three months to go.

MA-Sen: One more endorsement for Rep. Michael Capuano in the Senate special election. With the endorsement of fellow Rep. John Olver, Capuano has the backing of the majority of the state's House delegation.

ME-Sen: These numbers might be alarming for Olympia Snowe if there was more of a Republican bench in Maine: PPP finds that her approval rating among Republicans is down to 40/46, and Republicans would opt for a more conservative alternative in a hypothetical 2012 primary, 59-31. Snowe has 64% approval among all liberals and moderates, but even in Maine, 68% of GOPers identify as conservatives. Hopefully the Club for Growth already has these numbers and are rubbing their hands together gleefully, which can only serve to drive her further into our camp.

NY-Sen-B: With William Thompson having acquitted himself well in his narrow mayoral loss, rumors are now flying that have him running for just about everything. Most notably, Rep. Jose Serrano (who had flirted with the idea of a primary challenge for Kirsten Gillibrand) is now floating the idea of having Thompson run in a Gillibrand primary challenge instead. Thompson hasn't said anything about it himself, but sources close to him say there's one thing he doesn't want to do, and that's challenge Bill diNapoli in a primary to be state comptroller.

UT-Sen: In the wake of AG Mark Shurtleff's abrupt departure from the Republican primary field in the Senate race, two more names have surfaced to scope out the race against long-time incumbent Bob Bennett. Neither one has elected experience, but one has conservative bona fides (lawyer Mike Lee) and one has a lot of money (Fred Lampropoulos, who owns a medical equipment company).

CO-Gov, CO-03: Up-and-coming state Senate minority leader Josh Penry dropped his longshot bid in the GOP gubernatorial primary, where he's been lagging his former boss, ex-Rep. Scott McInnis, in fundraising and overall traction. Penry says, in wake of seeing what worked and what didn't work in Tuesday's election, he's dropping out so the GOP could present a united front (and also, unspoken, he didn't want to damage his brand for future runs). With Penry leaving a hole on the right, compared to the occasionally-moderate McInnis, another name-brand conservative is now interested in the race: ex-Rep. Tom Tancredo. As unpalatable as Tancredo might be in a general, he has enough name rec and devoted followeres to make things competitive in the primary. You gotta love seeing the GOP civil war spill over into the gubernatorial races now too.

Rumors started flying that Penry was going to switch over to run against Democratic Rep. John Salazar in the 3rd, but that doesn't look like it's happening. One Republican who is running in the 3rd as of yesterday, though, is state Rep. Scott Tipton. It'll be a rematch, as Tipton lost widely to Salazar in 2006. DA Martin Beeson is also in the Republican field.

CT-Gov: I wonder if Jodi Rell had advance notice of this poll, and if its ominous results had anything to do with her seemingly sudden decision not to run for re-election next year? Quinnipiac's newest CT-Gov poll found Rell only narrowly leading SoS Susan Bysiewicz, 46-40 (a bad trend from February, where Rell led 53-32). Rell fared better against Ned Lamont, 53-33, and Stamford mayor Dan Malloy, 52-33. With the race now an open seat, though, the most relevant part of the poll is the Dem primary, which found a close race between Bysiewicz and Lamont, 26-23 for Bysiewicz, with 9 for Malloy, 3 for state House speaker Jim Amman, and 2 for state Senator Gary LeBeau (February's poll, pre-Lamont, gave Bysiewicz at 44-12 lead over Malloy, indicating that Lamont ate mostly into Bysiewicz's share). Bysiewicz also beats Lamont's favorables (43/11, vs. 31/24). They didn't look at any of the other potential Republican figures in the field.

NV-Gov: A Republican internal poll (apparently conducted for right-leaning blog Nevada News and Views by PMI) finds former AG Brian Sandoval with a substantial lead in the Republican gubernatorial primary over incumbent Gov. Jim Gibbons. Sandoval leads 36-24, with North Las Vegas mayor Michael Montandon pulling in 7. Democrats, of course, would prefer to face Gibbons, who already comes pre-tarred-and-feathered.

RI-Gov: An internal poll from ex-Republican Senator and independent gubernatorial candidate Lincoln Chafee gives him the lead going into 2010, despite his campaign's fundraising and organizational problems. Chafee leads Democratic state Treasurer Frank Caprio and Republican businessman Rory Smith 36-34-8, while Chafee leads Democratic AG Patrick Lynch and Smith 37-24-15. This race looks like it's shaping up along the lines of the 2006 Connecticut Senate race, with a tossup between D and I, and a Republican spoiler struggling to escape the single digits.

VT-Gov: The Vermont gubernatorial race is getting even more cluttered, but both developments seem to bode well for the Democrats. For starters, Anthony Pollina, who has run several times as a Progressive and then an independent spoiler (although spoiler may not be the best word since he managed to finish second last year ahead of the hapless Dem), is making noises that he'll try running as a Democrat next year. With establishment votes already getting split a number of ways in the primary, Pollina has a shot at winning the Democratic primary. The other development is that old-school moderate Republican Michael Bernhardt is considering running as an independent, which presumably would siphon votes out of the Republican column. The 72-year-old Bernhardt is the former state House minority leader, last seen losing the 1988 gubernatorial race to Democratic incumbent Madeleine Kunin.

Crisitunity :: SSP Daily Digest: 11/10 (Part I)
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RI-Gov: Caprio's Officially In
http://www.projo.com/news/cont...

An interesting thing I just realized is that Caprio may get Bill Clinton's endorsement, as Caprio supported Hillary in 08 while Lynch and Chafee endorsed Obama. It could be empty speculation but Bill Clinton's endorsement of Gavin Newsom makes me wonder if he isn't trying to reward candidates who supported his wife.


Those PPP numbers in Maine are surprising
For a while a lot of folks (including me) have sort of taken it for granted that Snowe wasn't vulnerable to a primary, now I'm not so certain.

Hopefully if an actual threat begins to form on the right against her, she'll just leave the party and go Indie rather than pulling a Specter and pander to the right wing for a few months in the Senate.  


Well she isn't up for reelection until 2012
So she doesn't really have to worry about those numbers at the moment. Perhaps the fevor would have died down by the time 2012 runs around. I agree that the main thing is that there would need to be a very credible threat to her from the right with alot of funding, something hard to envision when Maine is a moderate state and in which a conservative Republican would almost certainly lose to a generic Democrat. I'm somewhat reluctant that she would easily bail out of the Republican Party, I think she would rather stay on until the very end.

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Exactly
I think the only way she switches parties is if the GOP leadership in the Senate strips her seniority and makes life hell for her.  I just don't see that happening though - as much as I dislike John Cornyn and Co., they're not stupid enough to drive out their remaining moderates when they know it would essentially be ceding a seat to the other side.  Otherwise, the teabagger fervor will likely dissipate by her re-election, and even if it is still around by 2012 they will be focusing their energies on the big kahuna (Obama) and not on a New England Senator.  Besides, Maine Republicanism strikes me as more of a libertarian type with a Catholic bent to it - not the best setup for a conservative challenger to mount a long-term campaign.

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Yikes
this would be one of an extreme few instances in my life where Id want to donate to a Republican.  Of course I HIGHLY disagree with a solid majority of her votes while in Congress and would probably still vote against her in a D v R race, but at the same time, she is one of the best people at her job and Id HATE to see her go down to a tea-bagger.

Her quote on why she voted for the health care bill in committee, when history calls you answer, or whatever it was, I think that is something all politicians should recognize.  There are many instances when you may not necessarily agree with everything in a piece of legislation but when your country needs you, you dont dismiss it over a couple of policy differences.


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Ill make my statement a little bit stronger
I wouldnt ever vote for her against a Democrat but if it came against her and a tea-bagger, Id be on her side in full force.

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You're probably right, when it comes to a party switch
Given how, uh, frankly delusional the extreme right base of the Republican party is right now though, I can see a scenario where Snowe (or some other non-Coburn/DeMint style Senator) becomes another target of obsession. The right is already sufficiently energized that there's a national backing for guys like DeVore and Rubio, taking on establishment Senate candidates. How long until they start going after incumbents?

Keep in mind, I don't consider Bob Bennett really part of this situation, as there's other factors in play there, although his occasional willingness to work with Democrats isn't doing him any favors.

What I'm suggesting is that Snowe could become more trouble than she's worth to a lot of Republican senators and other leaders if an actual challenge began to take shape against her. I agree, it'd be foolish to throw away another Senate seat, especially one they're unlikely to recover for a while (if Snowe was to leave the party, or if they lose the seat to a Dem) but that's where the Republicans are at right now.

As for 2012 and Obama being a bigger fish to fry for them, that is true, but I don't think that precludes a major primary challenge against Snowe. The activist segments of the Democratic party still put a lot of money and effort into plenty of down-ballot races in '08, even though they arguably hated Sarah Palin and rather disliked McCain. And just think, what if the Republican nominee ends up being Romney or someone else that the teabaggers dislike? Far more interesting to help one of their own to take down Snowe or someone similar, than it is for them to put their time towards a Presidential nominee they probably don't like any more than Obama.

This post, in retrospect, is a little less than coherent, and I'm probably talking nonsense here, but my point is that I think there are plausible scenarios in which Snowe could be at the very least endangered by a challenge from the right.

 


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I agree it's plausible
But if the teabaggers are that focused on party purity in 2012, they have much bigger issues to deal with than Olympia Snowe.  Under your proposed scenarios, 2012 would be an absolute massacre and GOP party leadership would totally break down.  

Although, on an unrelated note, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 2012 Presidential primary were so contentious that it would have to be resolved on the floor of the Republican National Convention.  That would certainly force a lot of elected officials to stick their necks out and risk getting cut.  


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Absolute massacre
That it is, and it's definitely unlikely. As much as the more sinister part of my mind desires such a thing, I agree we're talking an alignment of the planets kind of thing here. One other prerequisite that I left out is 2010 becoming a disaster thanks to Republican losses in FL-Sen, CA, KY, and etc. Not likely to happen at this point.  

In regards to GOP party leadership, I think that's an interesting question of its own. Who is leading the Republican Party? I don't mean in a sort of 'who's on the Sunday shows' way, but more in a strategic, elective sense. I don't think anyone is. There's the congressional campaign committee leaders, sure, but Sessions and Cornyn are both being bashed by the people who are making the Hoffmans and Rubios competitive, and beyond them really only Cantor and Boehner come to mind, both of whom seem very good at whipping nay votes but beyond that have done little. I don't think a breakdown of leadership is unlikely to happen, I think it already has happened. For there to be leaders, there have to be people that are being led, and nobody other than the extremists of the party are leading anyone. Certainly, nobody's listening to Michael Steele. (Except me, probably, but I only do because I'm a jovial man who enjoys a bit of laughter now and again.)

A brokered convention? That sounds like fun. I wouldn't mind that.  


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I rather doubt
that Bill Thompson will primary Gillibrand. She did not leave him out in the cold in his run for Mayor.  

I Don't See Thompson As Competitive
The vote in NYC turned out to be surprisingly close, which may be a credit to Thompson. But turnout was very low, a lot of Bloomberg voters may have stayed home, and anti-Bloomberg voters may have been more motivated to backlash against him on term limits. So I'd hesitate to take the mayoral results as an indication of a candidate's strength.

Also, I'd guess that Thompson is little known outside of NYC, and he'd face pretty big fundraising hurdles. I'm not making any statement on his qualifications for the office, just that there would be a lot for him to do to make a primary competitive.


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I could see him competitive...
But, only because Kirsten Gillibrand, for whatever reason, has done a supremely lousy job at introducing herself to New Yorkers. I've said it before and I'll say it again - outside of swingstateproject.com and other similar factions of the blogosphere, I don't know a soul in New York who is crazy about her.

I think Bill Thompson's largest obstacle would be having to run on a record as NYC Comptroller. It's hardly a high-profile post, and his work in the position (and in the Department of Education prior) wasn't exactly universally-lauded. The last Comptroller to make a run for Senate was Elizabeth Holtzman in '92, and she came in dead last. Behind Al Sharpton. It's just not a very juicy position, and Thompson's not even as exciting a personality as Holtzman was.

I suspect a Gillibrand/Thompson race would look relatively-similar to the Gillibrand/Maloney showdown that never was; a game based primarily upon running up the score on Upstate and Downstate turfs. It'd be a tight one, but even if racial polarization did occur, if Ed Cox (or another no-namer) is the GOP nominee, this seat is solid Dem.


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Holtzman was also a much loved Congresswoman too
who had ran and got screwed out of said Senate seat 12 years earlier.  

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Agreed
 The Closeness of the vote had more to do with the anger towards Bloomberg, not because of Thompson's campaign. I mean let's not fool out selves, Thompson did not run a very good campaign. Although it's not totally his fault. If he had more support from the Democratic establishment (I'm looking at you Mr Presdident), he probably could have pulled it off. I bet Anthony weiner is kicking himself that he didn't go for it. As for a primary against Gilibrand. While I do think she should get a primary. Thompson just isn't the guy, plus I think he would be a weaker candidate in a general election.  

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As I have said many times
President Obama's candidate in the race was Bloomberg.  I'm pretty sure that he made sure that no heavyweight Democrat would run.

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UGH!
What makes you "pretty sure" besides your opinion and hypothesis of the race?

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I don't think Obama had much say in Weiner's bowing out
Weiner basically said point blank that he couldn't raise the necessary money to compete. The end.

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Agreed (Mostly) With Your Agreement
Yes, I left out that Thompson didn't run a very good campaign. But I don't think it was necessarily because he didn't get enough support from the Democratic establishment. He just never really made a positive case as to why he should get the job, instead of trashing Bloomberg (who even by a critical account has not done a bad job). And I thought his ads, some of which played on pure class resentment, were pretty terrible.

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NY: Scozzafava is Scozzafava'ed again
Behind the Scozzafava Endorsement
Meanwhile, the Albany Times Union reports Scozzafava was stripped of her GOP leadership post in the New York Assembly.

No big surprise of course, but that was sure quick.

NY-Sen: Serrano, put up or shut up
If he objects to Gillibrand he should run against her. Of course, he'd lose so he's trying to draw other candidates into the race.  

I don't see anyone
worth mentioning actually going through with a primary against Gillibrand. It's just a bunch of people fitting cause they're irrelevant.

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That's the problem with the of the NYC Congresscritters
save for Israel, who actually had the balls to jump into the race until Obama personally called him.  I give him an exception, he had his website and campaign ready to go and I can certainly understand that when your president calls, you listen!

Every single one of them are total pussies and dont have the balls to jump into the race themselves, but want some other NYC Dem to do their own dirty work.

If you fucking want Gillibrand to be primaried, quit being a little bitch about it and do it yourself!


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