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SSP Daily Digest: 10/29

by: Crisitunity

Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 2:57 PM EDT


FL-Sen: Everything's coming up Milhouse for Rep. Kendrick Meek these days: Rep. Corrine Brown decided not to challenge him in the primary, he's watching Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio go hammer and tongs at each other on the GOP side, and now he has the endorsement of Florida's currently most successful Democrat, Sen. Bill Nelson.

NH-Sen: Oh please oh please... the geniuses at the Club for Growth are considering getting involved in the New Hampshire Senate race, where the position-less campaign of Kelly Ayotte doesn't seem to be capturing their fancy. (This is buried at the end of an article on how they're still weighing involvement in FL-Sen.)

NY-Gov: David Paterson is playing a different tune than before, sounding less defiant and ready to "reassess" if his numbers stay in the tank on into early 2010. Meanwhile, this may be a tea leaf that Rudy Giuliani isn't planning to run -- or simply one Suffolk County resident doing a favor for another one -- but Suffolk County (on Lon Gisland) GOP leader John Jay LaValle endorsed Rick Lazio last week, and now Orange County (in the Hudson Valley) GOP leader Bill DeProspo is also endorsing Lazio. (And with Lazio poised to get demolished in a Rudy primary, you wouldn't likely make that endorsement and risk the Rudy's wrath unless you had a sense that he wasn't running.) Finally, Erie County Exec Chris Collins had been considered a post-Rudy Plan B for the GOP, but he seems to have taken himself out of the running with bizarre remarks last weekend comparing Democratic Assembly speaker Sheldon Silver to both Hitler and the anti-Christ.

VA-Gov: Two more Virginia polls to add to the pile today: Roanoke College (in its first and apparently only poll) finds Bob McDonnell with a 53-36 lead over Creigh Deeds. In another bit of bad news, Republicans lead Democrats 43-33 on a generic ballot question concerning the House of Delegates. Research 2000 also looks at the race, finding a 54-44 lead for McDonnell -- one of Deeds' best performances recently, although that's not saying much.

IA-03: Republican state Sen. (and former mayor of the Des Moines suburb of Urbandale) Brad Zaun says he's seriously considering a run against Rep. Leonard Boswell in the 3rd next year. Mike Mahaffey, former state GOP chair, is set to decide by next week whether or not he'll run too.

IL-18: Democrat D.K. Hirner will run for the nomination to face off against Rep. Aaron Schock in the Peoria-area 18th (who benefited from Democratic recruitment problems in his initial run in 2008). Hirner is the executive director of the Illinois Environmental Regulatory Group.

MN-03: Democratic psychiatrist Maureen Hackett filed campaign papers to run in the 3rd against freshman Republican Rep. Erik Paulsen (who won with only 49% of the vote in 2008). Minnesota PTA president Jim Meffert-Nelson is also planning to announce his bid soon, while state Sen. Teri Bonoff, the district's heavyweight Dem, is still weighing the race.

NH-02: EMILY's List has one more endorsee: attorney Ann McLane Kuster, in the open seat race in the 2nd. You may be wondering "Wait, isn't Katrina Swett going to run there?" While Kuster is officially in the race and has been fundraising well, Swett hasn't committed to a bid yet, though... and more importantly, supports parental notification for abortion, making an endorsement unlikely.

OH-15: Here's a positive development at both the micro and macro levels: little-known anti-abortion Ron Paul-supporter David Ryon dropped out of the Republican primary field against state Sen. Steve Stivers (who's seeking a rematch against freshman Democratic Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy), and he's going to go the third party route. This is good at a micro level because it's similar to what happened in 2008, when two minor right-wing candidates siphoned off 9% of the vote, allowing Kilroy to get past the pro-choice Stivers despite an underwhelming performance (and without Obama on the ballot driving turnout in a university-dominated district, Kilroy is poised to underwhelm again in 2010). And at a macro level, it may be an indication that various wingnuts are taking stock of the Doug Hoffman situation and saying "Hey, that could be me!" (Thus further exacerabting the rifts in the GOP.)

OH-16: Buried at the end of an article that's mostly profiling alleged GOP frontrunner Jim Renacci, there's news that conservative former Ashland County Commissioner Matt Miller is planning a third run in the primary in the 16th. Miller, if you'll recall, got 42% in the 2006 primary against long-time Rep. Ralph Regula (which was probably instrumental in prompting Regula's 2008 retirement), and then almost won the 2008 primary against state Sen. Kirk Schuring. So it's hardly a foregone conclusion that freshman Democratic Rep. John Boccieri will be facing Renacci next year.

VA-07: Democratic real estate developer Charles Diradour has decided to scrap his nascent candidacy against Eric Cantor, so it's back to the drawing board for Dems in the reddish 7th. Cantor has the biggest bankroll of any House Republican, so it'd be an uphill fight, to say the least.

NY-St. Sen.: With state Sen. Hiram Monserrate intending to stay in the Senate despite having been convicted of misdemeanor assault last week, the Queens Democratic Party (led by Rep. Joe Crowley) is taking the unusual step of recruiting and endorsing a primary challenger to him. Assemblyman Jose Peralta will be running against Monserrate with the local party's blessing. The Senate is also still considering whether to begin expulsion proceedings against Monserrate.

PA-S. Ct.: Josh Goodman has a good catch on how the lone Supreme Court race on the ballot in Pennsylvania next week is actually a key race, in terms of state legislative redistricting in 2010. The state's legislative redistricting board has 5 seats, with two seats from each legislative chamber and the remaining seat chosen by the first 4. But if the two legislative chambers are controlled by different parties (as is currently the case), there's a deadlock, and the 5th member is chosen by the Supreme Court. However, the Supreme Court is also currently deadlocked between the parties (3-3, with the victor of next week's race the tiebreaking vote), so the Supreme Court race essentially is for control of state legislative redistricting for the next decade. In the one poll I've seen of the race, Democrat Jack Panella led GOPer Joan Orie Melvin 38-35.

Polling: PPP is asking for your help again: they'd like to know what you'd like to see for a release schedule over the next week.

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PPP
Cant believe 14 people are more interested in the Gov race in VA than NJ, NY-23, Maine, or Charlotte.  

When I voted it was a three-way tie
At 27% each for NJ-Gov, NY-23 and Maine.

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NY-23
I voted for NY-23. I expect we will see alot of polls in the next few days to satisfy my hunger, we onyl have 2 more NY-23 polls to look forward to, so I want this one first.  

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As did I
Though I don't think they will be particularly reliable whatever they show. Too many "unknown unknowns" in this race.

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VA Democratic party is performing like the NY Knicks


or the Mets
Take your choice.

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Which race ? Duh !!
NY-23 has the lead now, 36% of the total.  NJ, I could see being a competitive option but VA is over already.

NH-Sen and OH-15 are nice little 'evidence' of my theory of why Democrats can't "lose" in NY-23.  

If Hoffman wins, that NH AG ain't gonna know what hit her.  


R2K NJ Gov
here:

Christie 42
Corzine 41
Daggett 14


BTW, the party breakdown here
does suggest that R2K is weighting by party registration. Ugh.  

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One good thing outta that poll for Corzine?
13% of African-Americans are still undecided.

Otherwise, the poll is basically a sigh of relief for the Christie team.


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I don't agree
Taking all of the polls together, this race is pretty much tied. And in New Jersey, that's generally bad for the Republican.

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The 61% of indies
This is exactly what the Monmouth guy was warning against correct?

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But in truth the result with that approach isn't bad......
So DK/R2K weights by voter reg when people say don't, but they still get the same results as all other contemporaneous polls.  So maybe it's not so wrong after all?

And the Suffolk poll that had Corzine up 43-32, my take was simply that naming ALL the candidates on the ballot, instead of the Big Three, artificially inflates 3rd-party/indy vote shares.  Corzine's number was in the same ballpark as contemporaneous polls, and Christie's were depressed; that makes sense to me because Corzine is the incumbent and opinions of him are pretty static, while people are more fickle about the challengers.  If some people don't like ANY of the 3, give them other named choices in a phone survey and they might just pick one.

By the way, another lesson can be learned from looking at R2K crosstabs compared to SUSA crosstabs.  The topline is almost identical in the 2 polls, but R2K shows a lot more black and other nonwhite undecideds, while SUSA shows blacks pretty much done thinking about it and only other minorities still on the fence in any meaningful numbers, and even then with many fewer undecideds than the R2K polls show.

This supports what I try to say often that crosstabs as a rule have to be taken with a grain of salt.  Subsamples have high margins of error and are too often unreliable, and in particular anything "surprising" probably isn't true.

My wife caught me intellectually masturbating looking at dirty polls on Swing State Project.


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Ah yes, the quintessential GOP screams of
VOTER FRAUD!!!!! Frankly, I don't read the NRO, and don't take anything it says seriously.  

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Quite a bit of movement
Since their last - Corzine down 1, Christie down 5, Daggett up 6. The polling is all over the place out of Jersey.

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The overall trend keeps moving toward Corzine......
The Pollster trend lines and the Real Clear Politics averaging both show Corzine continuing to improve over Christie, expanding to what rounded off is a 2-point lead.

That might not be worth a damn thing, but I tend to trust polling trends as reflecting reality except under very unusual circumstances, and here the circumstances are looking a little less unusual to me.

My wife caught me intellectually masturbating looking at dirty polls on Swing State Project.


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Thought so
Puts pay to the IVR argument some on the right have been making.

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I don't know exactly what you mean by that
But I am personally a big believer in IVR polls.  

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Me too
But not at the expense of other methods. Check out the comments.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...


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Ach, those comments really aren't of much interest
I've earned my stripes going round and round about polls over the years. If I had to make a bet, I'd go with IVR, but New Jersey is a special case, and Quinnipiac isn't so easily dismissed.  

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Plus Quinnipiac has a much larger sample size than PPP
That always has to count for something (not to disparage PPP, which I think is generally a good pollster).

Your go-to source for great sarcasm

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Kilroy has been continually overwhelming
She slacked off the entire 2008 campaign and nearly lost because of it; she showed none of the fundraising prowess or fire she did in 2006 against Pryce.

The fact she only got 46% of the vote while Obama was getting nearly 58% is a testament to her weakness as a candidate and campaigner and Stivers' strengths; too bad right wingers aren't going to let a pro-choice conservative win an election.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


If she can survive 2010
she can be put in a much safer district that includes much more of Columbus and Franklin County and less of the exurban counties.  

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shouldn't really have to be though
That's what's ridiculous, that we're wasting what could be two Democratic districts to protect one inept campaigner who is highly unpopular in the more suburban areas of Franklin. That's what bothers me, 58% Obama should be enough for any Democrat to win these days.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I agree
I'm reluctant to strengthen incumbents who are in Democratic districts that are so strong.  If the incumbent is that weak, then maybe he/she deserves to be defeated.

It is a large part of the reason why I believe we should go all out in California, and I have a real problem if Democrats who are in districts where Obama won 60-70% of the vote are unwilling to take a slice of GOP territory.  


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Like 58% McCain in Arkansas?


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They aren't GOP incumbents there in trouble
Look, if a Dem incumbent can't win a district that Obama got 58%, maybe that incumbent deserves to lose.  I might make an exception for minority candidates in racially polarized areas, but that's about it.


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Kilroy is a freshman, of course
I think the results in her district show the interesting contours of a gerrymander. They also put up a big warning sign for two of our open seats in PA (the 6th and the 7th, where the GOP still has a better-than-even chance--by design).  

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Boccieri, on the other hand...
...looks like a juggernaut in the making. It's a swing district, Schuring was a credible candidate, and Boccieri beat him going away. (And he's been a pretty solid center-left Congressman on the issues.) Given Tubbs Jones' death and Kucinich's inattention to local issues (and LaTourette's Republicanism), it'd be nice to have someone with clout in the Cuyahoga County delegation -- I'm not sold on Fudge to be any kind of rainmaker.

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NYC-Mayor: Andrew Cuomo endorses Thompson
Not an especially bad call
It keeps the activists happen, but Thompson doesn't have to money to let anyone else know.  

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*happy
NB: Schumer and Gillibrand already did.  

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Survey USA
Corzine 43
Christie 43
Daggett 11

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

Oh my oh my!


Biggest group of undecideds at 7% and 11%
Are Hispanics and "Other" races - Corzine leads both by double-digits.

So the movement pattern in the margin we have in each poll from the last by dates in the field:

Democracy Corps +2 to Corzine
Survey USA +2 to Corzine
Research 2000 +3 Corzine
Rasmussen +1 to Christie
PPP +3 to Christie
Quinnipiac +6 to Corzine

I'm feeling better about this than I was on Tuesday but it is still up in the air.


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Going by SUSA
Things are falling back in line for Corzine. I'm gritting my teeth.  

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BREAKING NY-23, Pataki Endorses Hoffman
Sorry for the RS link, but it was only speculative until minutes ago. It had not yet been confirmed when I typed my comment, but it had been updated after my comment. So only link thus far-
http://www.redstate.com/blog/2...

Hmm
Maybe this could be a stretch but, maybe Pataki is leaning towards challenging Gillibrand after all. (It seems like every Republican with an eye for higher office is endorsing Hoffman.)

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At this point there is another possibility...
...that Dede is tanking so badly that the Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon of the stronger of the two.

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That's pretty huge...
I wouldn't be shocked if Scozzafava's #'s dip below 30% among Republicans now; the Pataki endorsement should move quite a few non-teabaggy conservatives into the Hoffman camp. And yeah, this can definitely be taken as a sign that Pataki's at least seriously thinking about the Senate run. Let's see if Giuliani endorses...

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or President
He is headed to Iowa for the second or third time in a few months...
Maybe trying to distinguish himself from the other moderates, Romney and Huckabee (not exactly a moderate, but not loved by conservatives)  

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Good luck
endorsing Hoffman may get him the Republican nomination, but what happens when Scozzafava and her allies in the state legislature endorse Gillibrand.

Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if Scozzafava won't return to the Assembly as a Republican after this loss. That would be interesting. Republicans lost one of their own a month or so ago when Fred Theile from The Hamptons left the party.

Ah, just think, merely 10 years ago, Democrats had under 100 seats in the state assembly.  


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CA-10
SUSA find the race a little close, but not that close:

Q: If the election for U.S. House of Representatives were today, would you vote for ... (names rotated) Democrat John Garamendi? Republican David Harmer? Or another candidate?
A: John Garamendi (D) 50% David Harmer (R) 40% Other 6% Undecided 4%

And most likely voters have. . .already voted.


That's still pretty strong for Harmer though...
If he can really keep Garamendi to a ten-pointer, it's a real testament to the potential of the GOP's recruitment efforts, even in a blue district like this.

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NYC-Mayor: Thompson internals reportedly show close race
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes....

- Among registered voters, Bloomberg up 8.
- Among likely voters, Bloomberg up 4.
- Thompson leading among Hispanics.


Well, due respect to Geoff Garin, but
the public polls paint a much more difficult picture. If Thompson finishes within single digits, he will have done a good job.  

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I got the following claim in an email from Thompson
According to new polling data, we've closed the gap -- I'm only 3 points behind Bloomberg among voters who said they're definitely going to the polls.

I think that's bullshit, but that's his claim and strategy for getting supporters to the polls. I simply don't think his level of support is anywhere near that high. Not enough people have enough reason to be angry at the incumbent for them to vote for a relatively low-profile opponent.


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Agreed
I have an awfully hard time picturing Thompson getting any more than 43% of the vote. Perhaps the WFP involvement will be fierce and he can keep Manhattan and Brooklyn relatively close, but there's not nearly enough urgency out there, even among liberal Democrats, to kick Bloomberg out.

I suspect the actual internals wind up looking like...

Whites - 70 Bloomy/30 Thompson
African-Americans - 35/65
Hispanics - 60/40

Bronx - 45/55
Brookyln - 55/45
Manhattan - 55/45
Queens - 65/35
Staten Island - 80/20

Which is about a 15% margin for Bloomy.


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Thompson isn't using WFP's GOTV operation
So he said on NY1 when I was listening on Wednesday night.

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WI-Sen: Tommy Thompson considering a run against Feingold?
http://www.wisn.com/politics/2...

Buried at the end of an article about Thompson possibly running for gov, which I think was expected.


NJ-Gov
Fairleigh Dickinson

Corzine 43%
Christie 42%
Daggett 6%

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...


EDIT
Corzine 44%
Christie 43%
Daggett 6%

Apologies, TPM got the toplines slightly off.


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So says Neighborhood Research
Surprise, surprise.

Here's Stockton College's latest:

Corzine 40%
Christie 39%
Daggett 14%

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...


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What is it with Republican internal polls and those mammoth MoEs?
n/t

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I guess he likes to make headlines


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Shafton
Is a confusing bastard. He had consistently shown the worse numbers for Christie because he was bitter about Lonegan losing. Now that Lonegan says he may hit the trail with Christie, his poll shows Christie up 7. I don't doubt that Christie may have a lead at this point, but not 7 points.  

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Two in-state pollsters (FD and Stockton) both show a 1 pt Christie edge
See posts above.

All taken into consideration, I don't think we can safely conclude that it's a dead heat.


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Gah
I DO think we can safely conclude...

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I was kinda wondering


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You mean Corzine
Though Christie is up 2 in FD when they ask his name. Rasmussen has another out and Christie still leads by three. I don't think I've ever seen such a split in polling a single state.

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Excuse me
When they ask Daggett's name.

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Yes, Corzine
I think that may have been the most hastily written comment I've ever made.

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NYC-Mayor: Bloomberg up 15
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/w...

The internals look pretty spot-on.


I am skeptical about the black vote
But that's really neither here nor there; this one is Bloomberg's.

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Gavin Newsom just dropped out
Full story is here.  Looks like Jerry Brown will have the field all to himself.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...


Good
Brown is a meh candidate, but one who will win in 2010.  And given the implications regarding redistricting, I'm satisfied with this.

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