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NY-23: No Good Days for Dede

by: DavidNYC

Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:49 PM EDT


It really seems like Dede Scozzafava can't catch a break, huh? First, it looks like Lindsay Beyerstein caught Scozzafava talking out of both sides of her mouth about the card-check provision of the Employee Free Choice Act. Dave Weigel sums up:

In September, Scozzafava's campaign claimed she opposed the "card check" provision of the Employee Free Choice Act. But at the same time, she told the AFL-CIO, in a candidate questionnaire, that she supported EFCA's provision that "would require employers to honor their workers' decision to join a union after a majority of them signed a union authorization card or petition."

In an attempt to nail down exactly where the Janus-faced Scozzafava stands on the issue, Weekly Standard reporter John McCormack got a bit more than he bargained for. McCormack did succeed in finding out Scozzafava's views on card check (she says she supports it - at least, today), but the candidate was remarkably unwilling to answer any other questions. McCormack's persistence didn't exactly pay off:

I spotted Scozzafava later as she was walking to the parking lot, and asked her: "Assemblywoman, do you believe that the health-care bill should exclude coverage for abortion?" She didn't reply. I asked her twice more. Silence.

After she got into her car, I went to my car and fired up my laptop to report the evening's events.

Minutes later a police car drove into the parking lot with its lights flashing. Officer Grolman informed me that she was called because "there was a little bit of an uncomfortable situation" and then took down my name, date of birth, and address.

"Maybe we do things a little differently here, but you know, persistence in that area, you scared the candidate a little bit," Officer Grolman told me.

"[Scozzafava] got startled, that's all," Officer Grolman added. "It's not like you're in any trouble."

Calling the cops on a reporter doesn't seem like a winning move to begin with; getting into an intramural battle with a conservative publication seems even more foolhardy. Nonetheless, a Scozzafava flack emailed Politico to claim that McCormack "repeatedly screamed questions" at the candidate. Other attendees said that McCormack was "quiet" during the event, so who knows. A spokesman for Conservative Doug Hoffman's campaign opined:

If any police investigation needs to take place, it should be of Dede Scozzafava, for impersonating a Republican.

Zing!

Meanwhile, the Scozzafava camp decided to continue its fued with the Weekly Standard, releasing an email exchange between McCormack and another Republican spokesman to TPM about whether Scozzafava would vote for John Boehner as speaker should she win election. (The Scozzafava guy just comes off as squirrely.) The attacks on McCormack prompted Weekly Standard honcho Bill Kristol to weigh in, branding the Scozzafava campaign "desperate."

But really, this is all a minor nuisance (albeit one a struggling Republican campaign can ill afford). The real news for Dede is worse - much worse. The Club for Growth just announced a brand-new $300K moneybomb on ads attacking Scozzafava for (what else) being a "liberal." At the same time, the SEIU just dropped $82K on mailers for Dem Bill Owens, and the D-Trip threw down $132 grand on media buys. This brings the DCCC's total spending to $520K.

Meanwhile, former GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey will campaign for Hoffman, while Susan Collins and Florida Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (srsly?) will stump for Scozzafava. Owens is probably feeling a bit more stoked than the competition about the help he's getting - tonight President Obama held a fundraiser for him in New York City.

And finally, all three candidates agreed to a one-hour debate on Oct. 29th, though it won't be broadcast until Nov. 1st.

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Susan Collins for Scozzafava?
Wait...are NY-23 Republicans of the same moderate vein of the Maine GOP? And the Independents actually more conservative? If so, then perhaps Scozzafava really could hold on to most Republicans and just bleed a ton of Indies. And allow Owens to win pretty handily.

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Very similar makeup
The upstate New York GOP, which, at one time, was the bastion of Rockefeller Republicanism, looks a great deal like Maine, only probably a little less libertarian, but not by much. Scozzafava does have a natural base...it's just not that big and not national.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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Ginny Brown-Waite
is from Upstate New York...I guess that's why?  

Meh
From Albany, not the North Country. Anyhow, no one cares about GB-W.

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How is Owens in debate?
As a first-time candidate, I'm a bit concerned, and wonder if the late date is due to Owens' campaign concerns.

It was Dede's husband who called the cops
per the link in your post: http://www.watertowndailytimes...
I guess that meany reporter upset his wife.
The husband of the Republican candidate in the 23rd Congressional District race on Monday night called police to a Lewis County Republican dinner after feeling uncomfortable with a reporter there.
Ronald P. McDougall, shortly before 9 p.m., called county dispatchers from the Lowville Elks Lodge on Shady Avenue to request patrol for a nuisance report and hung up, according to a dispatch report of the incident. Upon a call back from dispatchers, Mr. McDougall identified himself and suggested the media was too close to his wife - state Assemblywoman Dierdre K. Scozzafava, R-Gouverneur - and that he was uncomfortable with a reporter.

Can you say: not ready for prime time? Sheesh.

What is it with upstate Rep House candidates
and crappy campaigns?

Shocking indeed
Am I the first one to have noticed no one has yet dubbed her Tediscozzafava?

Male, 23, DC-At Large

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Wow, that's great
We need to start using that, can't believe that, I didn't notice how the two names could morph into each other, perfect!

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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It's a mouthful, though n/t


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Scozzafava is a mouthfull already
it flows better actually, try it, see how Tediscozzafava sorta slides off the tongue more easily, like you're introducing the scozzafava part. Is it just me?

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Ah I got it now
You are saying it like Te-disco-zza-fava? Works quite well. I was saying it Tedi-scozza-fava. The z's and f's just start getting mumbled for me. (And yes I know this is totally off topic!)  

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Te-disco-zza-fava
yes, I love it too. Its fun to say.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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heh
saying it that way just makes my Minnesotan o's get ridiculous.  I like Tedi-scozza-fava.

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If A Candidate's Name
was a factor in this election, I'd have gone for Owens or Hoffman, since there was no way I could properly pronounce Scozzafava.

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I have to admit that that putdown by Hoffman's
spokesperson was Teh Awesome.  New York politicking sure isn't for the thin skinned.  It's been a while since I've seen a vaunted frontrunner shot and go down in flames as spectacularly as Scozzafava has.  And it's mostly due to her own side.

The good news is that this election could turn into a realignment election in NY-23.  Districts like it tend to have a good chunk of moderate-liberal Republican voters.  Those have to be running out of reasons to stay with the GOP.  There's rapidly diminishing or no moderate Republican quality on their ballots anymore at the statewide and Congressional district level.  And it's likely falling off at the state legislator level, perhaps also the County level.

That's how Republicans have disintegrated here in New England, in downstate NY, in northern NJ.  It seems to be spreading west and south in the northern Appalachians lately.    


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Calling The Police
if you're being harassed by someone works only when you're a regular person. As someone seeking public office, you kinda have to deal with everyone from actual reporters to moronic idiots because, well, you're a public person. Apparently Mrs. Scozzafava does not realize this.

Actually it sounds like something W would do
w/r/t free speech zones, etc.

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ahahahahhaahhahaahhaahahahhahahah


Truth in advertising?
Where shall we begin?

Doug Hoffman is not the Republican candidate.  Dede is.  Identifying himself as a Republican constantly may not ne a lie bit if not, it is sure close.  That's big.

Neither Owens nor Scozzafava are liberals.  Not even very close.  On their best days, they are moderates.  On many other days, they could be labeled conservatives.  Conservative Republicans?  No.  But these days, that's almost off the map.

Conservative Republicans, at least as presently defined, can't be said to be for small government.  They are for spending lots of money in different ways.  Hey, McCain spent a whole tear talking about how George W. Bush spent money like a drunken wild man.  I think it can be said that "conservative' Republicans effectively are for spending lots of money ineffectively.

Government does not create jobs?  Excuse me?  What about building roads?  Government money that creates jons both by direct spending (the road crews, construction supplies) and by the benefits of the improved transportation system.  Schools?  Yup.  Hospitals?  Yup.  And more.

Maybe for some it is the military or prisons/jails/cops.  But is is till government jobs.

Hoffman may believe the Kool Aid.  But it is not even close to the truth.

Does government create all jobs? No.  Does government create some jobs?  Sure does.


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Hey, remember, these people say Obama...
...is a Marxist!  If that's so, then DeDe and Owens definitely are liberals!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Will Scozzafava pull a Torricelli and drop out hahaha


There needs to be poll done
to see where Scozzafava's votes will go if she collapses.  

Most likely to Owens
In a two way race between Hoffman and Owens, it would be
57% Owens
43% Hoffman
I think they would have been better running Jim Tedisco than Dede Scozzafava. Mr. Panic at the Tedisco would never have called the cops unlike Ms. Dede Trainwreck Scozzafava who panics in response to being asked question by a reporter. This race is starting to become rediculously funning. I laughed out loud reading the article above.

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Tedisco just wouldn't have answered...
for six weeks. A shame he's not running this time around. Worries me that John Faso will jump in and he'd be a strong candidate, of course Murphy is stronger than ever now and now in the turn of events has better name recognition, fundraising options, visibility, and incumbency, still it would be another very tough race for Murphy to have to run and continue to prove his chops and strengthen his support within the district.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Between a hard-right conservative
and Owens it seems obvious, so which is why if I'm running the Owens campaign and the polling seems to show Scozzafava lagging Hoffman I immediately start hitting the districts liberal Republicans and moderate Independents and trying to the message out to them that if they don't want to risk having Hoffman as their congressman they need to back Owens. It works great, further demoralizes her campaign, and threatens the added embarrassment of relegating her to a distant third place showing which is what we want. A 40% Owens' showing is crucial, and the General Election will be a tough one and Owens will have to do a lot in congress to make Democrats more excited about him for the 2010 General if he wants to get elected, because he's going to need their enthusiasm for money and organizational help.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Dede would be a dream candidate against Patterson
Of course the New York Police would probably through her in jail for calling the cops too many times on reporters. Anyone think David Patterson could beat her.

I am awaiting the Gubernatorial
Candidacy of Jim Tedisco.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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And

again!

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Ugh
I'm gonna be sick. Thanks.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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You make me wish we could rec comments here!......
That's the most fun comment I've seen posted here in a long time!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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NY 23 NJ GOV VA GOV and 2010
I've heard a lot of conservatives say that the race that really says what is going to happen in 2010 is Virginia.   I've heard a lot of democrats say that if we win 2 out of 3 then we're going to have a hard time in 2010 but that it won't be to bad.  I think something else is true.  

What these races show us is that candidate recruitment is crucial.  That people are tired of both parties and esp. of incumbents.  Something else it will tell us is the likely voter model for 2010... I think that whatever it is in VA and NJ is about what it will be in 2010 unless something changes.  Everything else will probalby stay the same from 2009 to 2010 except possible more AA/Hispanic/and Young people will probably show up cuz Obama wil be campaigner and chief by then.  

That all said I think the republicans have a better slate of candidates in the senate and the governors races.I'd argue we have the better house candidates.  So it'll be interesting to see how many governor's mansions we are down from 28 and if we lose any ground in the senate.  I'm hoping the tides change cuz I am rather enjoying being in the majority.


Better slate? Can't tell
Republicans were dreaming of Christie (at least the columnist types) for years and when they got him?  Well conservative Star-Ledger columnist Paul Mulshine just called the Christie Campaign the worst in New Jersey history.  That's saying something.

The campaign as depicted by Mulshine bears a striking resemblence to an inept version of George W. Bush's 1994 gubernatorial campaign against Ann Richards.  There are canned responses on a limited few topics to most questions only Christie goes off the reservation frequently and mires himself in topics like eliminating the requirement that insurance companies pay for mammograms.  And spends weeks on his miscues. Then he doesn't know simple details like how much mammograms cost.  A month later.

Not only don't his numbers add up (Daggett offered to get him a calculator in the most recent debate), they don't come close.  In the first debate, Christie offered $300 million in cuts to fund an $8 billion deficit.  Then he trasnsferred in another billion in state transportation spending actually increasing the size of the deficit.  And proposing unspecified tax cuts.  Duh.

As I've said before, Christie is either stupid or more likely he thinks the state's voters are very stupid.  We're not.

One more thing, Chris.  Businesses are in New Jersey not because of taxes but because they need to be here for the customers.  NJ has been consistently first or second in the country in median income of late.  The small differences in taxes don't move people to go 50 miles to shop.  Oh, yeah.  Overall, taxes are lower than in NY and about equal to PA.  Property taxes are much higher; state income taxes, gas taxes, etc. are much lower.

Transferring a big part of Corzine's $15 billion in business breaks to residential property owners would have been a winning political idea.  Of course, Christie never proposed transferrring the tax burden.  Ever.  Not even by decreasing aid to cities and redirecting it to suburbs (Christie's alleged base).

A normal NJ Republican would have this election in the bag.  Christie, otoh, seems likely to lose it by a small margin.  Dream candidate?  Only in dreams.  In fact, Frelinghuysen, Chris Smith, or Frank LoBiondo would have been better choices.  Leonard Lance would have been a better choice.  Even resurrecting Tom Keane, Jr. or Mike Ferguson would have been a better choice.

On paper, a lot of Republican candidates for 2010 look good.  Dede looked good.  Chrisite looked good.  In reality, they have been disappointments.  Only time will separate the good from the bad.


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Excellent point
And digging up old Governors and the like to run again because of their halo effects in polls, which is really the main Republican strategy this cycle, is very likely to produce a lot more examples.

Democrats actually gave us a preview of this strategy last cycle, when Ronnie Musgrove got out-performed by two theoretically weaker candidates in the South, Bruce Lunsford and Jim Martin.  Now the Republicans are betting the farm on folks like Terry Branstad, Mike Castle (who sort of counts as a long-ago former Governor), plus Charlie Bass, Steve Pearce, and Steve Chabot in the House.  My bet is that they all lose.

To be fair, we're running Jerry Brown and Terry Goddard again, but both have clawed their way back from defeat by holding important, high-profile offices.  You can't say the same for the Republicans' choices, with the possible exception of Castle.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...


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I think Steve Pearce wins.
That is a pretty conservative district, and if turnout is more evenly balanced between left and right nationally, as opposed to the right-depressed electorate we had last year, then Teague is in for a tough fight.

I think Branstad and Castle lose.  I don't know the district enough to call Chabot vs Dreihaus.  But Pearce has a solid chance I think.

28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08


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fabulous and educational post David
but I think the average NJ Republican candidate - Kean Jr, Zimmer, Forrester, Schundler isn't much better or worse than Christie.  And this is not won YET.  Two weeks is a lifetime or two in campaign time.

Go Daggett.  Go Corzine.  And I hope we see the last of Christie soon.


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Another way to say what you just said is...
...Chuck Todd's very smart adage that "candidates and campaigns matter."

And my meta-take on this election is that a McDonnell/Corzine/Owens combo means this is a "status quo election," whereby in a neutral environment it's the quality of candidates and campaigns that DECIDE the outcomes.

Which is to say Republicans do NOT have an advantage over us heading into the midterms, given that even now in our "bad" environment they can't sweep when focused entirely on just three measley national-import races.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Your meta-take is absolutely right
Presuming the outcome is indeed a McDonnell/Corzine/Owens combo, listening to the Republican spin will be interesting. I guarantee you they will invoke the third party candidates in NY and NJ as a means of justifying their losses there. The question is, will the national political media have the memory to know that, looking at the polling data, the GOP should have won all of these races?

Male, 23, DC-At Large

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Third party
Surely they will. The exact opposite of the tack they are taking here.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...


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This is what I hate.
This race is in the bag, and I hate how Democrats figure that wasting money on it will some how be beneficial.

Not In The Bag, And...
First, I don't think this race is "in the bag." Support for a third-party candidate can deteriorate very close to election day as more people think about a possible "wasted" vote, so the polls may not be that accurate.

Second, the winner will face another election in 2010 which will likely be a two-way race. Any funds left over from this special election will be needed for a contest where Republicans aren't splitting their votes.

But I do think it's a mistake for the parties to portray this contest into some kind of national referendum. It's not. It's one election in one district with one set of specific candidates. So I do agree that the parties are blowing this race out of proportion to its actual significance; I don't think much of the rest of the country (outside of political junkies) cares about the outcome.


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Could her week get worse? It just did
The results of her press confrence outside a Hoffman office:

http://washingtonindependent.c...

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



Michael Patrick Leahy the tea party activist
wow, a teabagger with the name of one our best senators (my home state, so not impartial) in his name.  irony.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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OMG
TRAAAAIIIIIINNNNNNN WRRREEEEEEEECCCCCKKKKKKKKKK

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Um, what?
At this rate, she's destined to a distant third. What a collapse. Tedisco wasn't exactly excellent in his campaign, but he was never this bad.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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what the hell was she thinking......
Here is the real kicker, she couldve been our nominee!!!!  At first, I wouldve been extremely happy with her as our nominee (assuming she voted more like a Dem) but NO THANKS.  

Campaigning outside his campaign office, stupid stupid stupid.  And why?


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Dede
Outside Hoffman's office.

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My favourite thing there
is one of the conservative trolls in the comments section crowing about how Hoffman is going to come in second and then win this in the runoff.  Bit of a snag there...

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Rep. McCotter reiterates support for Scozzafava
She "has to win the seat."

http://washingtonindependent.c...

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Just Wondering/Worrying...
Is Owens taking advantage of this? I mean, it's fun to sit back and laugh, but is he getting his own name out there, his own positive message, his own GOTV? If not, this split might not matter...

DCCC spending big
Last report was that he was outspending her 12-1. I can't imagine they are letting GOTV slide.

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