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AR-02: Griffin Will Run

by: Crisitunity

Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM EDT


Politico, who last week broke the story of the (at the time seemingly improbable) possibility of Tim Griffin running against Vic Snyder in Arkansas's 2nd District, now reports today that Griffin is running:

"The people of Central Arkansas deserve a congressman who shares their values and represents their views," Griffin said in an e-mail to POLITICO.

"I am grateful and excited about the encouragement and support that I have received and look forward to discussing the many critical issues facing Arkansans, including health care, cap and trade and out of control spending."

First, this has to be viewed as a big recruiting score for the NRCC. Griffin is well-known in Beltway circles (probably better known than he is back in Arkansas), as he was briefly the U.S. Attorney in Arkansas's Eastern District (he took over for Bud Cummins, one of the disappeared USAs from the U.S. Attorney dismissal scandal) and before that he was right-hand-man to Karl Rove. Vic Snyder ran without GOP opposition in 2008, so even getting someone to show up here, let alone someone with nimble political skills and fundraising connections, is a victory for the GOP.

Still, a few things still aren't computing for me, here. Griffin had considered running for the Senate seat that Blanche Lincoln holds, but decided against it. Despite the fact that he's never run for an elective office before, conventional wisdom dictated at the time that he'd be a better bet than any of the gaggle of nobodies running for the GOP Senate nod, and yet he demurred. And there were certainly warning signs at that time that Lincoln might be vulnerable (since confirmed in recent polling). Also, Snyder isn't a pushover by any means; he's been in the House since 1996 and has rarely faced opposition, let alone meaningful opposition. Snyder's bankroll is notoriously small ($12K CoH in June), but that's because he just as notoriously doesn't fundraise in off year elections... largely because he's never had to. Add on top of that, this is Arkansas's most favorable district to Dems (at R+5), an urban district (Little Rock) where the bottom fell out for Dems much less in the 2008 election than the more rural 1st and 4th.

So why would Griffin turn down a Senate race that he was originally highly touted for, in order to take on what should be a much more difficult and simultaneously less prestigious race? Maybe there's a working assumption here that Snyder (unlike Lincoln) either can't or won't fundraise when facing a well-funded challenger, or otherwise will falter when facing someone who knows what he's doing. Either that, or Griffin decided this summer, what with the changing political tides, to run after all -- but the NRSC, seemingly satisfied with the candidacy of state Sen. Gilbert Baker, boxed him out, leaving him looking a little further down the totem pole. Or there's one final possibility: Griffin, who cut his teeth doing opposition research for the RNC, knows something else about Snyder that apparently no one else knows.

(UPDATE: Here's a nice 2008 piece from Glenn Greenwald with some details on Griffin's backstory, especially his behind-the-scenes involvement in the 2000 and 2004 vote counts... and his relationship with Politico itself, which may explain his choice of venue for his announcement.)

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"Rove's Man" + "U.S. Attorney scandal" equals a pretty significant liability in a high profile race.
A U.S. Senate seat is a higher visibility, easily nationalized race.  National media pays attention to the individual personalities in Senate contests in a way they do not in House races, and the party machines and donor bases involve themselves more deeply as well.  If I were advising Tim Griffin, I'd have told him to go for the House first, slink around there until the stench of Rove loses its potency, and then try to move up.  Lincoln isn't getting any younger, and should be at least as vulnerable in seven years as she will be next year (Arkansas' demographics and political culture are moving against Democrats, as the yellow-dog FDR generation dies off).

Tim Griffin, despite his other advantages, is still too radioactive to go for the Senate now.  I might be surprised that he went for Vic Snyder rather than another district, but going for the House rather than the Senate seems wise.


Woah, way off man
I just want to point out to you the age stats for Arkansas. The 65 and older voters gave McCain 65% of he vote, those yellow dog dems. The 18-29 vote was tied at 49%, and on top of that growing minority populations especially hispanic.

I thought I might also point out that Blanche Lincoln is only 50 years old. She was the youngest woman ever elected to the U.S. Senate at age 38. Two freshman senators, Kay Hagan and Jeanne Shaheen were both several years older than her. Lincoln could serve another 3 decades and still not be considered that old by the U.S. Senate's standards.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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The Obama-McCain contest is not a good barometer for typical local Democrat vs local Republican performance in certain states,
Arkansas being perhaps foremost among them.  

I feel like that should be obvious to anyone.

Arkansas has also been trending against Democrats at the federal level for quite some time.  Clinton in the 90s and Obama in 08 are both unusual cases that contaminate the data set somewhat, but I feel safe arguing that Arkansas, like West Virginia, Kentucky, and Louisiana, is over the course of decades trending against the Democratic party at the federal level.

Interestingly, the lack of state and local GOP officeholders has protected our hold on the four Senate seats of AR and WV for rather longer than one might otherwise hope for.  That has been nice, and hopefully will continue for a while longer.  Although eight years of Obama may help get a lot of Republicans into local office in these states, bringing that happy circumstance to a hastened end.

Anyway, I'm happy to concede that I had no idea how young Lincoln is.  But surely you can see that the Obama vs McCain election might be a bad case from which to divine the partisan preferences of white Southerners over 65.


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That doesn't mean that trend will always be confined to the top of the ballot.
Georgia's realignment followed a similar path:

Despite Republicans carrying Georgia in 1964, 1972, 1984, and 1988, the state didn't elect a Republican to the U.S. Senate until 1980, and that Senator would lose in 1986.  A Republican wasn't RE-elected to the Senate until 1998.  They didn't get both seats until 2004.

They only had like one U.S. House member for much of the 1970s and 1980s until the dam broke in the 1990s.

There wasn't a Republican Governor until 2002.

They didn't take the State Senate until 2002 (through party switches) and the State House until 2004.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.


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Yeah but you saying AR is slipping away from of us
is what made him use the 2008 numbers as if you one is saying AR is slipping away from us, surely the 2008 numbers are something to cite as evidence of that.  But within that evidence, it is apparent that the state isnt slipping away from us, the older people are slipping away from us to the GOP but they are also slipping away from us in life.  Contrast that with the 18-29 crowd who managed to split their vote near perfectly for Obama and McCain and we should be sitting pretty for a good long time to come then.

Bam, LAWYERED!  (sorry, I just started law school and love How I Met Your Mother.  It seriously took me 10 minutes to figure out why I disliked your comment so much, hahahahahhahaha)

As an aside,  


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You totally walk by my point
Demographics aren't that bad. The younger voters are by almost every measure I read up on considerable more progressive than their parents.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I argued that you didn't prove your point.
Other measures would be wonderful, and I'd be quite pleasantly surprised to learn that younger voters in Arkansas (and Tennessee, and Missouri would be nice) are more progressive than I think they are.  I just said that using Obama-vs-McCain numbers introduces a number of very significant distorting effects, including depressed Democratic performance among whites over 65, and to a lesser extent elevated Democratic performance among young voters of all races, due partly to the relative ages of McCain and Obama, partly to the way the campaigns targeted various generations (Obama targeted youth more than any other Democratic campaign since George McGovern).  If our numbers in the older generation are very significantly depressed (due to Obama's race), and our numbers in the younger generation are slightly elevated due to other factors, then it becomes very easy to make an argument that Arkansas' electorate is becoming more progressive, an argument that might well be false.  That's why my consistent point was that it's unwise to use Obama-vs-McCain numbers to make such a point.

If you've seen other metrics that make the same point and that are less tainted by The Obama Effect, then I'd be happy to hear you say so and take your word for it.  But the problems with using Obama data are so manifest that I didn't think I'd have to spell them out.

Anyway, I continue to believe that Arkansas, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Oklahoma are all trending away from Democrats at the federal level (though it's hard for Oklahoma to "trend" any farther than it already has).  I should clarify that I'm speaking on a multi-decade timescale: 1964 to now, and projected into the next decade or two.  I would be pleasantly surprised to learn that any of these states, including Arkansas, is actually much more progressive-trending than I anticipate.  But to be perfectly clear on my position, I'm arguing that analysis from Obama-vs-McCain data is not particularly persuasive on that point, due to the massive generational distortions introduced by the fact that the president is black.


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As Crisit points out in the article
The bottom didnt fall out too much in AR-2.

AR-1, 2, and 4 all went for Bush by 3-4% margins in 2004.  Obama ended up losing AR-1 and AR-4 by 21% and 19% respectively while he only lost AR-2 by 10%.  

Just thought some people would want to know the numbers as I went to look them up right away.

It's too bad Snyder boxed himself in and probably cant bother fundraising for the next three months without getting bad press.  Anyone know what his exact statements have been on not fundraising?  Maybe he hasnt boxed himself in at all.


Excuse me if I am skeptical
I am still not worried about Snyder. Griffin isn't all that well known or prominent among the average electorate, he mostly focuses in higher up party politics and he's not starting off with a big strength having been completely out of touch for some years. I think he must be wagering on the improving electoral conditions and some kind of KO on healthcare that will help lead into a rout, highly unlikely. Still he must have delayed on Lincoln and now can't get back in. Besides that Lincoln is a fundraising juggernaut as far as Arkansas politics go.

I remember the last time Republicans had a highly touted candidate running against Snyder, 2004. They had a State Representative and prominent State House Minority leader allied with Mike Huckabee running a well funded and nationally backed campaign, hitting Snyder very hard on coureageous votes against amendments to ban flag burning and gay marriage and an even more courageous vote against the Iraq war, against the all-powerful Wal-Mart, against drilling in ANWR, he even drew the ire of the NRA in that race. And he won 58-42. People appreciate politicians with actual principles. He is a good politician I think because he grew up and went to college in Oregon and wasn't influenced by the corrupt blue-dogish race politics of the 60s and 70s.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


I agree
I don't see any of the AR House races being close. Most attention will be on Lincoln.

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Same here
Now, if Griffin had been a prominent elected official in the district before being a US Att'y, I might be more concerned. However, it sounds as if he hasn't had much contact with the district itself. Plus, I doubt Arkansasians (Arkansanans?) really care all that much who the local US Attorney is unless there's a big corruption probe.

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Have to agree
I follow politics very closely and can't for the life of me name who my US Attorney is.  Though the fact that it's an important sounding job (and is important) may give him some milage with it.  

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I only knew who my US Attorney was
because she was a giant insider with Rove and Monica Gooding was it?  Yeah, she was really young, our US Attorney quit before he would've gotten fired during that scandal, and she was put in his place as a Bush protege.  Needless to say, she did not last long as everyone in the office was PISSED they got passed up for her.  (My friend interned in the office)

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Except when prominent people get appointed, most US Attorney's seem to be known for scandal
Chris Christie went pretty far to make a name for himself and yet was unknown to about 67% of New Jersey at the start of the campaign if I remember right.  

Of course there are some exceptions.  There's Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal who elected Gov after resigning as attorney and not holding elective office before hand.  To my knowledge he didn't participate in any great cases.  Rudy Giuliani was more prominent if I'm remembering right.  But those seem to be the best cases: usually it's an important but anonymous job.  State Attorney General seems to be where it's at.  


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Napolitano was a US Atty.
I don't know how prominent she was with the AZ public, but I do know the job puts you into contact with an awful lot of the People Who Matter in whatever state you're appointed to.  

And of course, the people who get US Atty appointments are frequently People Who Matter beforehand, unless they rose up through the ranks of the office that is.


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Ok, it's not a deadend job politically
And I didn't know that about Napolitano.  Still, I assume if you look at members of Congress and Governors not a huge amount are former US Attys.  Especially not compared to AGs, sheriffs, and DAs who are at least elected (usually).    

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Something else
According to a CQ article, Griffin was a US Att'y for only 6 months (December 06 to June 07). That's hardly enough to hang one's hat on. I'm betting most in AR-2 have never heard of him.

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Janet Napolitano
was a U.S. Attorney before being elected AZ Attorney General.  The year she won that job (1998), she was the only Democrat elected to statewide office (the Republican Governor won reelection by over 20 points), and she beat the hand-picked successor of the sitting AG, who was (the sitting AG) the most popular politician in the state including John McCain.

So yes, U.S. Attorney can be an effective springboard to higher office.


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courageous votes
Good for Congressman Snyder. I hope the Democratic leadership properly rewards him for continually doing the right thing in a difficult district.

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AR
If things keep going bad for Democrats, I think this can certainly be a race.  Another race like NC-SEN that probably is reliant on the national mood.

Not quite
While this could be competitive, Snyder has faced down stronger challenges before in unfriendly years (2004). Plus, I doubt very much this race will rely on the national mood.

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