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VA-Gov: Deeds Takes a Dive in New PPP Poll

by: James L.

Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 1:08 PM EDT


Public Policy Polling (7/31-8/3, registered voters, 6/30-7/2 in parens):

Creigh Deeds (D): 37 (43)
Bob McDonnell (R): 51 (49)

Jody Wagner (D): 34 (40)
Bill Bolling (R-inc): 48 (46)

Steve Shannon (D): 32 (38)
Ken Cuccinelli (R): 45 (45)
(MoE: ±4.1%)

Wow, these are scary ugly numbers all around. Tom Jensen has more:

The biggest problem hampering Deeds right now is a lack of enthusiasm among Democrats for coming out to vote this fall. Although Barack Obama took Virginia 52-46 last November, those planning to vote in this year's election report having voted for John McCain by a margin of 52-41. Put another way, roughly 60% of people who voted for McCain last fall are planning to come out while only 42% of those who voted for Obama are. He probably needs to generate enough excitement around his candidacy to get out closer to 55% of those Obama voters if he's going to win.

There are some signs within the poll that Deeds' standing is likely to improve. For instance two of the largest groups of undecided voters are African Americans and those under 30, both groups that were very favorable to Barack Obama last year. He has a 64-3 lead with blacks and seems likely to pick up most of the undecideds as the election comes closer.

Still it's clear there's a lot of work to do. For instance his lead in northern Virginia is only 51-44 and among all voters describing themselves as suburbanites he trails McDonnell 51-37. By comparison a PPP survey right before the election last year showed Obama winning those folks 58-38, meaning at this point there's basically a 34 point turnaround with those voters.

As Jensen says, it's still too early to count Deeds out, but this looks to be the most challenging gubernatorial election for Democrats in Virginia in several cycles. Even during the 2005 campaign, which was no walk in the park for Tim Kaine, Republicans never enjoyed a lead this big. Democrats have good reason to be very concerned here.

Discussion is already underway in Conspiracy's diary.

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Damn
And this is from a Democratic polling firm. Also, Monmouth University found Christie with a 14 pt lead against Corzine in their newest poll- http://www.monmouth.edu/pollin...

A Democratic firm, sure
But if their methodology and results are biased in any way, I have not noticed it. They're good -- let me put it that way.

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Rediculous
I find it rediculous that Bob McDonnell could get elected only because so many citizens of Virginia don't feel like going to the polls to vote on election day. If McDonnell gets elected in November and the people of Virginia dont like what he does they only have themselves to blame for not coming out and voting. One more thing, Douglas Wilder needs to stop being arrogant and just come out and endorse and help him get elected, I don't understand what Wilder's problem is?

Honestly
Based on the chatter on the interwebs, I'm not surprised. This Virginia blog hammers Deeds for putting all his attention on rural voters and doing little to nothing to convince urbanites to pay any attention to the race. This isn't Nancy Pfotenhauer's Virginia; it's very important that he keeps enthusiasm up in NoVa (and hell, even the Southeast).
Now, it's still sorta early, and the aforementioned blog is the first to point out that he could just be trying to lock down the rural vote now and then he'll blitz the urban areas in the fall, in which case he should see an increase in polling once he gets around to hanging out in places that aren't Southwestern VA.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


I think that sounds solid
I believe that's what Claire McCaskil did in MO in 06 to squeak out her victory.  Although, it's August, it's time to get that going.

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Another good analogy
That must be it. They can't be dumb enough to totally ignore the more urnab areas can they?

"August is not the time to be campaigning in the cities. Half of the people are on vacation, and the other half aren't paying attention. My sense of Urban Crescent voters is that they are tired of politics right now. Besides, it's county fair time. It's time to nail down your base, and time to see just how many inroads you'll be able to make in rural Virginia. And it's also time to hone your stump speech, away from the critics in NoVa who hear a twang and think they see a bumpkin. Sort of like opening your show in Connecticut before you take it to Broadway."


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That would be "urban areas"
Obviously.

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I'm a McLean voter and active Democrat and I can tell you...
...if you live here and you're a voter who doesn't care about politics, you might not be surprised if someone told you Deeds quit and McDonnell is running unopposed.  THAT'S how INVISIBLE Deeds is up in NoVA.

Deeds is ignoring the Democratic base, apparently taking for granted we'll all just show up to vote, and it's showing up in the public polling.  What James L. neglected to mention in his diary is that this PPP poll exactly matches the SUSA poll a few days ago that showed McDonnell up 55-40.  Both these polls show the same thing:  LOTS of Obama voters, especially self-identified liberals but also some Obama-voting moderates, are not likely to vote.

I dissed the SUSA poll for its turnout model when it came out, but now I can't do that, it's legitimized.

Deeds is fucking up completely, and what pisses me off even further is that he's fucking up the turnout model so that every downballot Democrat gets killed.

If Deeds doesn't turn this around in a hurry, if he ends up getting blown out and takes down a lot of Dems with him, he will be forever and rightly remembered angrily by Democrats.  It really will reinforce that we don't want country conservatives as our nominees, when a lot of us liberals, myself included, voted for Deeds in the first place because we thought that would be a good statewide profile.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Deeds
needs to start running ads in NoVa ASAP! In fact he needs to run ads in full saturation mode in NoVa. He can't ignore Southern Virginia, but he certainly cannot afford to let McDonnell gain any ground in NoVa.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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He needs more voter contact and visibiilty in many forms......
First and foremost he needs to personally campaign hard in NoVA, Richmond, and Hampton Roads.

Second, he needs better field in NoVA.  Ben posted on NLS that the campaign hq in Alexandria does phone banking nightly, but they need more active canvassing (is there any right now???), and yes, as you said ehstronghold, paid media buys early.  That last bit is something they don't want to do yet when they're outgunned financially, but they're falling behind by so much, so fast that they don't really have a choice...they have to spend and then just keeping working the donors even harder.

But alas, I think Deeds won't be doing all that.  He campaigned 4 years ago as if the Virginia electorate was unchanged from 1997, and he's campaigning now similarly.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Not the same
Survey USA had McDonnell up 56-41 in NoVA. PPP has Deeds up 51-44. They are in the region with Obama Thursday. Surely the campaign knows what they are doing. I mean they have clear models in Warner, Kaine, Webb and Obama to follow. They haven't been running ads so that makes the margin somewhat make sense. I believe the White House must be following things closely and will step-in if necessary. This race means more than just Virginia.

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conspiracy, dude, you have your facts wrong......
The SUSA and PPP NoVA crosstabs are not comparable.  That 51-44 Deeds lead isn't for all NoVA, it's just the 703 area code which is much more liberal than the NoVA region as defined by SUSA; SUSA includes swingy/conservative exurban areas.

And 51-44 in 703 is a disaster for a Democrat.  I live here, we're talking a ton of voters normally going about 60-40 Democratic in Fairfax and 70-30 in both Arlington and Alexandria.

Don't assume the Deeds campaign "surely" knows what it's doing.  It clearly does not.  There is no good strategy that produces in a 14-15-point deficit 3 months out in a purple state.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I stand corrected on the crosstabs
I still think there must be something more to it. I mean even Mark Penn isn't as incompetent as you are suggesting.

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Pollster lists this sample as RV
Which is correct?

Pollster is correct
My mistake -- this is RVs, not LVs.

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Then...
Alan Abramowitz:
This is supposed to be a sample of registered voters in Virginia yet it shows McCain leading Obama by 11 points! How can that be? Answer: It can't.

Note: SUSA sample had a similar Republican skew although that was a sample of LVs so one might expect a Republican advantage in an off-year election. But not as large as the one in their sample.

Posted on August 4, 2009 1:19 PM

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conspiracy:
Alan - interesting point. I had assumed PPP was LV otherwise how can they say the turnout model is because of Dem apathy. How would we know unless they were screening for likely voters? Interesting. I'm not necessarily saying McDonnell doesn't have a double digit lead - his advantage with indies would support this. But from a purely scientific level I would be interested in what Tom Jensen has to say on this. Unless I'm missing something obvious.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...


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I would double check that with PPP
I think they almost always do LV.

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Are you sure?...the PPP write-up says...
...it was 571 "Virginia voters."  Very vague whether registered or "likely."  And dovetailing (but not 100%) with another commenter, I think PPP almost always does "likely" voters this close to an election (not further out as in their 2012(!) Presidential general election trial heats).  And, btw, the PPP blog write-up doesn't say  if it's registered or likely.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Pollster has a clarification
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...

Somewhere inbetween likely and registered it seems.


[ Parent ]
Which still doesn't make sense


[ Parent ]
The good news for Deeds
such as it is, is that most of the undecideds are voters that he should pick up, particularly black voters (3% go for McDonnell! Deeds doesn't have a problem with African Americans, McDonnell does!). I think the ceiling in this race for either candidate is about 55% of the vote, so McDonnell doesn't have much room to expand. He has definitely solidified his base, which is something Deeds needs to get working on ASAP.


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