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Is the GOP's best bet to create racial polarization? (w/poll)

by: DGM

Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM EDT


(Cross-posted at Election Inspection

I happen to be reading around on the blog when I find a response written by Ta-Nehisi Coates to Matt Yglesias's response to an article written by Pat Buchanan concerning whether or not the best bet for the Republican Party is to give up any pretext of doing well among the non-white vote. Here's the basic point behind Buchanan's argument:

In 2008, Hispanics, according to the latest figures, were 7.4 percent of the total vote. White folks were 74 percent, 10 times as large. Adding just 1 percent to the white vote is thus the same as adding 10 percent to the candidate's Hispanic vote.

If John McCain, instead of getting 55 percent of the white vote, got the 58 percent George W. Bush got in 2004, that would have had the same impact as lifting his share of the Hispanic vote from 32 percent to 62 percent.

But even Ronald Reagan never got over 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. Yet, he and Richard Nixon both got around 65 percent of the white vote.

When Republican identification is down to 20 percent, but 40 percent of Americans identify themselves as conservatives, do Republicans need a GPS to tell them which way to go?

Why did McCain fail to win the white conservative Democrats Hillary Clinton swept in the primaries? He never addressed or cared about their issues.

These are the folks whose jobs have been outsourced to China and Asia, who pay the price of affirmative action when their sons and daughters are pushed aside to make room for the Sonia Sotomayors. These are the folks who want the borders secured and the illegals sent back.

Had McCain been willing to drape Jeremiah Wright around the neck of Barack Obama, as Lee Atwater draped Willie Horton around the neck of Michael Dukakis, the mainstream media might have howled.

And McCain might be president.


Basically, Buchanan is arguing that the Republicans are engaging in a vain effort to make nice with Latinos (and Blacks, for that matter) when they should be playing hardball on these types of issues (particuarly concerning Judge Sotomayor, President Obama's pick to the Supreme Court).

Matt Yglesias seems to agree with Buchanan's reasoning (even if he thinks the reasoning is scuzzy):

At any rate, while Buchanan is being repugnant, I do think this is something conservatives are going to want to think about. Consider the case of Jeff Sessions (R-AL). We're talking about a guy who's too racist to get confirmed as a judge, but just racist enough to win a Senate seat in Alabama. And it's not because Alabama is a lilly white state. With 65 percent of its electorate white, and 29 percent of its electorate African-American, Alabama is much more demographically favorable to the Democrats than is the country at large. But while McCain pulled 55 percent of the white vote nationwide he scored 88 percent of white vote in Alabama. And this is what you tend to see in the Deep South, white Americans exhibiting the kind of high levels of racial solidarity in voting behavior that you normally associate with African-Americans in the US political context.

Consequently states with small white populations like Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi can be solid GOP territory. Under the circumstances, it's not entirely crazy for Republicans to believe that the right way to respond to shifting American demographics is by just trying to amp-up the level of racial anxiety in the shrinking white majority. An analogy might be to religion. When the country was overwhelmingly Christian, Christianity didn't play much of a role in our politics. But as the Christian majority shrank it became more and more viable to explicitly mobilize Christian identity for political purposes.


Yglesias seems to buy into Buchanan's argument, that it might be a politically smart move to attempt to shore up the white vote against the non-white vote (basically Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Indians, etc.). I disagree with Yglesias's reasoning for a few reasons. Ta-Nehisi Coates pretty much sums up part of my disagreement with Yglesias:
The second problem is that it likely turns a significant portion of white people also. The GOP's problem isn't that it needs to shore up Alabama--at least not yet. It's problem is, well, basically everywhere else that isn't Alabama. I don't know how bashing Sotomayor makes you more competitive in, say, Colorado or Oregon. I'd assume the opposite.

Coates points out that the White vote, like the Latino vote, is simply not a homogenous group in the same way the Black vote is (although the GOP's racist rhetoric regarding Latinos could turn the Latino vote into a more strongly Democratic vote than it is now). Though I do think that there are states where this could possibly pay dividends for the GOP outside of the Deep South, there are also plenty of states where this sort of tactic won't work, and in some cases can backfire. Think about this for a second, take away the states of North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania from Obama and give them to McCain (67 electoral votes), Obama would win the electoral college with nearly 300 electoral votes (298 votes, 297 if you take away NE-02 from Obama's column). That's assuming that you'd make net gains among the White vote in those states, when there is plenty of reason to think otherwise. Looking at Ohio, the quintessential bastion of the White Working Class that Pat Buchanan is so obsessed with, Obama won the state by only marginally improving among the less educated group and improving greatly among the more educated compared to Kerry's performance in 2004. Something which Buchanan and his ilk have failed to understand is that one of the reasons that the GOP has been collapsing has little to do with their strength among blue-collar Whites, rather it's been because the Republicans have been doing worse and worse with better educated White voters and with minorities in general, and one thing that these two groups have in common is that they're more likely to turn on groups who use the type of polarized voting that Buchanan advocates.

The second problem with Buchanan's (and Yglesias's) logic is that even if this strategy would help them out in the short term (a view which I strongly disagree with) in the long term, it would probably spell the end of the Republican Party. Think about this for a moment, Barack Obama only lost the state of Georgia by 5 points, compared to John Kerry's embarrasing 18 point loss to George Bush, yet Obama did this despite doing as well with white voters as John Kerry did. This is the main problem with the Republican gambit, many states which form the core of the Republican Party's base in the electoral college (Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, and Arizona) have populations which are becoming more and more non-white (Texas, Georgia, and Mississippi will probably be majority-minority states in the next decade or two). If McCain had lost the four states which I mentioned before (without taking back any of the other states I mentioned before) then he would've only had 108 electoral votes. The Republican Party may very well succumb to the demographic tide which is moving against it, but Buchanan's advice would speed up the schedule very quickly.

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The Jeff Sessions KKK strategy
is a dead end. Most American whites are not like those in the deep south, and there are in any case fewer and fewer (by percentage) every year.  

Nate Silver
wrote about this awhile ago (called Operation Gringo) about how the GOP could win the presidency by only focusing on white votes.  Needless to say, it doesn't work out too well for Team Red in the end.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

he continues the analysis in a second posting here

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

His map is interesting though...it would require an almost total switch from any electoral map we've seen in the last 50 years to be successful for the GOP.


woah woah woah
"Coates points out that the White vote, like the Latino vote, is simply not a homogenous group in the same way the Black vote is"

People should be careful about this, blacks are most definitely not a homogeneous group. Yes they have the highest degree of racial solidarity in voting, and yes they talk a lot about "the black community," but a black person from rural Texas has different views on things from a black person in New York City, just as a rich black person (like all of the black football players who have been running as republicans recently) has different views from a middle class or poor black person.

I've wondered for some time how the GOP could come back demographically, and cracking the black voting block is one of those ways. They could, for instance, emphasize religion more and convince some of the crazier blacks to vote for them (like that woman who ran against Steve Cohen). But I think that would alienate racist whites who are not religious (a huge Republican block) from their party completely.

Really, I can't see how they're gonna come back, right now they're a bunch of racists and religious extremists; I guess time will tell which of those qualities they emphasize.

21, Male, Democrat, MD-02 (home/registered), MD-05 (college)


I'm talking politically homogeneous
And I understand that black voters in New York City are probably going to be more liberal than black voters from rural Texas but the same can be said of other subgroups of Latino or White voters. And while Black can incorporate those who are not necessarily African American (Dominicans and Bermudans, for example) unlike Whites and Latinos, the term "Black" is generally not an umbrella term for a category of members of different ethnic groups. For me, the term "black" is more functionally equivolent to Mexican (for example) rather than Latino.

I take your point though.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
I think their best strategy is regional

and religious for the next couple of years.  (They don't do long term strategy anyway.)

So: the South, Plains, and the Mormon Belt.  And do the best they can in the states along the Ohio and north of the Missouri.

That doesn't get them to majority.  I think they'll have to give way in Arizona and Missouri soon, Indiana and Ohio slip away, and North Carolina is nearly Blue too.

I think it'll take until 2012 or 2013 to subdue their radicals and Religious Right crazies.   Then a couple of years of floundering back and forth between the business wing and the religious sorts.  After a couple of years the business wing will prevail, methinks.



[ Parent ]
Indiana?
I think it's way too soon to predict that Indiana will keep voting Democratic for President or anything approaching consistently Democratic in statewide elections. Obama benefited greatly from Chicago suburb voting, just plain being from the next state over, and all the volunteers pouring over the border. But what really did it was the anger at Bush for the terrible economy and also anger about the Iraq War. It's way premature to see a trend in one impressive victory. Similarly, Missouri, which Obama narrowly lost, is likely to remain a difficult state for Democratic presidential candidates for some time. What's true about Indiana is true about Ohio, but less so, because Ohio has much more populous heavily Democratic urban and close-in suburban areas. But it's way premature to consider it anything like a sure win. I do buy that demographic trends in Arizona and North Carolina are favorable.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
How did Obama exactly win Indiana?
 I think you're pretty much right about Indiana. A few things: Obama did not win merely because of suburban turnout, Lake County, a suburb of Chicago trended six points to Obama over Kerry, under the 10 point statewide average. Obama did alot better in Indianapolis which trended 13 points toward him. I think the real reason Obama won Indiana was the failing economy and that he spent alot of time there. Yes, being from Illinois did help but that was not the only reason. Indiana will probably become Republican again because in 2008, the Republicans were taken by surprise.

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Oh, sure
I consider Obama winning Indiana an anomaly.  But the Obama campaign did in Indiana what the Kerry campaign did in Ohio- register and activate a lot of people, many of whom had never been asked to do it by Democrats and didn't think their voting was going to matter.

That shook out the real R/D split in the state.  I remember polls from Indiana showing Obama at 46% during the fall- that seems to me the number that matters.  Obama's turnout organizers and small c conservative protest voting for him (I heard of Amish doing that) then made up the remaining margin.  Remember there were few Obama coattails- a lot of people who voted for him didn't vote downticket or voted as they usual do there.

I do like the leap from 40% for Kerry to a 46% baseline for Obama in Indiana.  In states with average population growth there's usually a 1% Democratic trend per year (i.e. old conservatives die, new GenY voters vote liberal).  But around the Great Lakes, where populations are stagnant if not declining, it's hard to predict trend.  I suspect there's a running small net Democratic trend in Indiana, as in the states around them.  It'll likely manifest as a slow decline of Republican domination over 5-10 years.


[ Parent ]
I see where you're coming from now
and thanks for such an informative reply.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I don't know about the coattails thing
Because in every district that Obama won, we won the district (IN-01, IN-02, IN-07) plus we held districts which Obama barely won (IN-08, IN-09). The districts we thought might've been competitive (like IN-03) voted roughly in line with how it voted for President (Souder won by 15, McCain won by 13).

Yes, we lost the governor's race, but then again, we had a pretty weak candidate in Jill Long Thompson (she just ran a bad campaign there).

I agree with most everything else you said though, but I think Obama's lack of coattails doesn't exist (and I can name a few races where Obama's coattails were probably helpful).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Clearly there were coattails in some places
Merkley and Franken certainly. The House wins in Ohio and Virginia.

[ Parent ]
Wrong
Obama won Indiana primarily because he won Indianapolis by a huge margin and most importantly reduced his margin of defeat in the rural areas. Sure he made some gains in the Northwest as well, but that was actually his second weakest area, relative to Kerry, after the Ohio Valley.  Look at the trend map from Dave Leip:  It's little confusing because Red is Democrat and Blue is Republican. The map on the left show the overall performance by county.  The map on the right shows the change in performance from 2004, relative to the change in the national vote. The biggest gains were in some of the most Conservative parts of the state.

This illustrates a point that is often ignored: Even if you can't hope to win a region, it still pays to court voters there.  If you can reduce your losses in unfriendly territory, your bases of support can carry you over the top.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


[ Parent ]
That's one of the most important things the Obama campaign did
"Even if you can't hope to win a region, it still pays to court voters there.  If you can reduce your losses in unfriendly territory, your bases of support can carry you over the top."

Still, if anyone is now counting Indiana as a likely blue state going forward, I think that's foolish. It will take supreme efforts for non-incumbent Democrats and Democratic presidential candidates to win there in the future, too.

By the way, what about turnout figures? How was the turnout in the Indiana Chicago suburbs?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
There are definitely many racist, non-religious whites
Including here in the south. Theyre basically the trailer park type. Ultra conservative on issues like guns and 'the federa' guvament' (which they see the Dems as being the champions of and not the GOP) as well as gay rights issues (not for religious reasons but just plain bigoted reasons. Although im sure the guys like lesbians and bisexual women) and some others but not your church going type. Theyd rather spend their Sundays getting drunk and smoking pot (or worse) and cursing left and right than going to church. Theyll identify as christians but arent anywhere near Religious Right.

[ Parent ]
yeah
I'm moreso thinking about the suburban Republicans near where I live though. The ones who really just vote because they're scared of/hate black people and see black people voting Democratic. You have to remember that Nixon's strategy was suburban as well as Southern, but the suburban part has partially collapsed as it's become increasingly uncool to be racist.

A good example of the social group I'm referring to would be the people who ran that pool in the Philly burbs who didn't want to admit the black kids. I've actually had people say things to me like "you're a Democrat, that means you wanna give the n*****s all my money" on several completely separate occasions. However, one of those very people who said that to me also told me that he hated the religious right and that it's the one part of the Republican platform he completely despises (whenever I debate Republicans around here in Maryland I always lead with that because it's so unpopular here that I know nobody will ever try to defend it).

21, Male, Democrat, MD-02 (home/registered), MD-05 (college)


[ Parent ]
The interesting thing that I found locally
here in Marquette County is that the "poor white trash" AKA those who live in trailer parks, have been trending more and more Democratic over the past eight years.  If you look at Skandia, Sands, West Branch, and Turin townships, south of the city of Marquette, Obama made gigantic improvements here over Gore and Kerry.  And driving through this area you'd think you were driving throught West Virginia or Kentucky (sorry:D).  There must be dozens of trailer parks and not much else between Marquette and Escanaba.

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
I don't agree with his underlying point
McCain would not have won in 2008. None of the ingredients were right for the Republicans, and Obama was well placed in history. Besides, Palin did everything possible to appeal to the bigoted, the extremist, the spiteful among us, and what good did it do?

Nate Silver wrote about an Operation Gringo strategy for the GOP in the near-future. But since "white voters", taken in the most shallow sense of the term, vote quite differently in New England or the Great Lakes than do those in the South, it seems an unhelpful tack for the Republicans. The Palinista rhetoric that appeals to the most radical reactionaries doesn't necessarily appeal to a more tolerant, 21st century-minded Swing Voter X in, say, Iowa, Pennsylvania, or Colorado.

And obviously, in some swing states (Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina...), antagonizing minorities further seems an absurd long-term strategy for the GOP.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


Racial polarization is a bad national strategy
This tactic, which I totally dislike, has cost Democratic candidates races in various races over the years (where the Democrat was the focus of these tactics).  I think of the Helms/Gantt race of 1990, and the Corker/Ford race of 2006.  These GOP tactics worked fine in the South over the years, but I just don't see it working in the nation as a whole.  I doubt if this tactic would work in North Carolina today (the effectiveness I hope has been cut in half, if not more, in 19 years).

If the GOP is stupid enough to take on this tactic, they can kiss goodbye states like Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, and Montana.  They will probably hurt their cause in Texas, where a growing Hispanic population resides.


40, male, Democrat, NC-04


I didn't get a chance to mention it
But the two basic reasons why Obama won North Carolina was because of a motivated black vote and because of the growth of the professional class in North Carolina.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Nonsense
Think White independents, hell white normal thinking people period aren't also turned off by this crap then think again.

Exactly
Apparently Pat Buchanan thinks we all think like he does.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

[ Parent ]
That assumes
that Pat is even thinking when he talks. He just strikes me as one of those guys who, once they pass a certain age, just says whatever comes into his head. He's like a senile uncle/grandpa that everybody keeps around just to hear what he'll say next.

Sad thing is, my friends and I are eagerly awaiting the day when we can say anything that pops into our heads, chase kids off our lawns, etc...


[ Parent ]
I don't think this is an effective move
among younger whites. Maybe it'll work for whites 65+, but I have a hard time believing it will work among the younger demographics. The GOP might be able to win without minorities for the near-term, but it sure as hell isn't going to last very long.  


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