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VA-Gov: McDonnell Ahead in PPP's First Post-Primary Poll

by: James L.

Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 9:07 PM EDT


Public Policy Polling (6/30-7/2, likely voters):

Creigh Deeds (D): 43
Bob McDonnell (R): 49
(MoE: ±4.0%)

This is PPP's first post-primary poll, and also the first poll of the race taken after the "bounce period" that had Deeds surging ahead in R2K and Rasmussen's most recent sampling. However, this is the first time PPP has dipped its toes into the general election pool, so we have no trend lines to work with here.

Over at PPP, Tom Jensen has more:

Despite trailing, there are several bright spots for Deeds in the numbers. He currently has just a 68-16 lead among African Americans. Democrats frequently under poll with that demographic this far out from an election but usually end up getting 85% or more of that vote come November. There are a lot more undecided Democrats than Republicans, which makes those voters more inclined to end up in the Deeds camp. Deeds' supporters are also a little more committed than McDonnell's, with 90% of them saying they will definitely vote for him while just 82% say that for McDonnell.

There are some signs of concern too though. We're detecting little interest in the race right now from black voters or young voters, both groups that were overwhelmingly supportive of Barack Obama and key to his success in the state last year. We currently project black turnout at 16% of the electorate, down from 20% last year, and voters under 30 at 8%, down from 21% last year. Getting those groups excited about his candidacy and out to the polls will be key to Deeds' prospects.

The race is in a very similar position to 2005. The poll released that year closest to today's date of July 7th showed Jerry Kilgore with a 6 point lead identical to the one we found last week. The question now is whether McDonnell can hold onto this lead better than Kilgore did, or if Deeds will be able to replicate Tim Kaine's success in peaking at just the right time. He certainly did that in the primary.

PPP has also been good enough to give us data on the important downballot statewide races. In the Lt. Governor's race, incumbent Republican Bill Bolling leads Democrat Jody Wagner by 46-40, and for the open-seat AG race, GOP goon Ken Cuccinelli leads Democrat Steve Shannon by 45-38.

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I think Kilgore imploded as much as Kaine peaked.
I don't think Deeds can count on that.

I'm surprised Bolling is under 50, actually.  I figured he'd up even more.

I hope Shannon gets traction and pushes past Cuccinelli.  VA needs a Democratic AG.


Partly true
Kilgore did implode at the end with that Hitler ad in October, but he was already trailing Kaine by that time. Aside from that one blunder, I don't recall Kilgore making too many other major mistakes.

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As you say James
First general poll from PPP so nobody should read too much into any perceived movement either way. Looks like a decent baseline though. Especially when you consider the variables should be giving McDonnell an edge. I'm not too worried about AA turnout - it is gonna be in the president's interest to win this one so I expect some outreach there to help Deeds out.

Not too worried about indies since they do tend to lean conservative in VA (Obama by just a point over McCain). The moderate numbers may suggest some hope for improvement though if they hold.

I was looking through the numbers from four years ago and they are eerily similar for this stage between Kilgore and Kaine. I do think however this will be closer than 2005. More like Webb versus Allen in '06.


Webb vs. Allen
Too close. They got the spread I was expecting McCaskill to get.

It will be close regardless.

SHANNON! Beat up Cuccinelli! NOW!

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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The best news
is that Bolling is only up by 6, and under 50, despite being the incumbent, having lots of money, and sucking up some free media with his "Lt. Governor's challenge", whatever that may be.

I'm sick at the thought of Cuccinelli winning, though.


that's scary
what's going on their? Cuccinelli is a nut, the thought of him is scary.What's going on their? I thought Shannon was a good candidate?

God, why are Democrats so pathetic? I mean its so frustrating to have such unreliable voters. GOP demographics vote sun or shine whether they like the candidate or not, Democratic demographics are pathetic, they get bored, dump elections, have hugely smaller turnout in non-presidential elections, just annoying.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Nature of the demographics.
It's just the way of the world.

We can still win with good campaigning.  I'm hoping Deeds and the others can pull it off.


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another annoying thing
Democrats have no concept of the longterm importance. They're so fickle. I mean Democrats are more likely to get their panties in a wad if the candidate isn't perfect or theirs a primary.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Well - I do believe that's been
changing over the past few cycles, especially compared to the Club for Growth.

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that's one good thing
and hey, don't i know you from dkos?

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I'm on there as well.
Under the name AUBoy2007.  I'm also on SenateGuru as wmlawman.

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Easy, ArkDem
Thing is, despite our string of successes in VA (Kaine in 05, Webb in 06, state senate in 07, and Warner/Obama in 08), Virginia still has Republican tendencies. It is not a blue state yet by any means.

Re the AG race, I'm betting that those numbers simply reflect a default position. Lower-level statewide races seldom attract much attention, and I'm betting that neither candidate has very high name rec outside of their respective regions.

Plus, it's July. If this were September or October, I'd be concerned.

As for the demographics, there isn't much that can be done. That's just the way the voters are. It also doesn't help when a state has a governor's race at an odd time.


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Democrats have a genuinely more diverse coalition
and as the Party of looking forward and the future being better than the past, little/less fear of the future.  Republicans feel the change of the past century, feel that the past and mental comfort of it slipping away, acutely.

When Republicans lose big elections, the serious ones feel a big chunk of Past break loose and fall into the water, and they watch it melt away.  It bothers them a lot.

Democratic voting in places like Virginia exceeded real national Democratic lean by a couple percentage points there last election, I think.  (Remember how the Obama vote benefited rather few Democratic candidates downticket.)  Real partisan split seems to me very close to 50/50 there at present.  I expect a 51/49ish outcome for this race.


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Don't like this
Don't like this at all.
Will Obama campaign for Deeds?

Palin is going to capaign for the republicans
That is going to add to the republican lead.
How are we going to answer it?

By swinging indies and Dems
To Deeds?

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Who said she was going to do it?
Steele said she should, but neither campaign welcomed the announcement with any enthusiasm.

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She better be strategic in where she campaigns or it will really backfire
And obviously just to campaign to fire up the base, not win over independent voters. I guess unless theyre of the old school conservative Dem type, such as in SW and south-central VA (even Virgil Goode use to be a Dem not too long ago).

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But it may not work as well in the You Tube age
Where a controversial politician campaigning in a 'friendly' part of the state for a candidate is all of a sudden known by everyone in the state.  

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When was the last time...
There was a Democratic AG in Virginia?

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

Not since the early 90s.
Since then, it's been the Republican stepping stone to the governor's race, as all four of the GOP AGs resigned to run for governor (as did the last Democrat to hold the office).

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Mary Sue Terry (86-93).


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