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NY-Sen-B: Maloney Sets Launch Date

by: Crisitunity

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 1:02 PM EDT

Rep. Carolyn Maloney has previously been operating in the future conditional tense of "intending" to do this and "vowing" to do that, but the New York Daily News today reports that she's gone so far as to set a definite date when she "will" announce her candidacy against Kirsten Gillibrand in the Democratic primary.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney has decided to take on Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in the 2010 Democratic primary, refusing to bow to party leaders who want her to stay out, the Daily News has learned.
"She's definitely decided to run," said a senior Maloney adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity. "She's in it."
Maloney, a congresswoman since 1993 for Manhattan's East Side and a slice of Queens, will make an official announcement in two weeks, the adviser said.

New York's NY1 confirms, via Maloney senior adviser Paul Blank, that Maloney "has decided to" pull the trigger.

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Decided to pull the trigger

Into her own foot.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 12:09:46 PM CDT

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This is so stupid. Such a huge waste of money. If Gillibrand had come into the Senate, voting Center-right I would be all for this. However she has been as Liberal as we could hope for. Add in that shes young and amazing with fundraising, I see zero reason to primary her.

We were able to avoid things like this, Ohio-SEN, PA-SEN and others in past years but it appears out luck has run out.

by: Tekzilla @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 12:34:13 PM CDT

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she has such an ego

even though it was apparent she was never high up on the list of possible appointments. Her attacks have been getting more and more irrational too, criticizing Gillibrand for raising money? Pathetic. Right now its close because both are unknown, but in the end Gillibrand is going to get much of the black vote due to establishment backing, and the upstate vote, and she'd probably play well in long island. Not very good odds for Maloney.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

by: ArkDem the Ragin Cajin @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 12:53:27 PM CDT

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Ego

Is apparently why Paterson didn't consider her.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 12:55:17 PM CDT

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I have run out of words to describe her action.

At least if I do not want my post yanked, I have run out.

It is one of the stupidest actions I have seen coming from a veteran politician. Her chances of prevailing in the primary are not high. She has in her mind the primary triumphs of the left a generation ago. Then the democratic left lost the general election tragically. That will not repeat itself. Not even as a farce. KG will win the primary and Maloney will go home in high dudgeon whatever that means.

by: fai calif @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:00:44 PM CDT

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She arguably has little to lose

She's had a career in the House and is trying to move up. If she doesn't succeed, she can do any number of other things outside of the Legislature.

by: Pan @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 20:24:12 PM CDT

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Senate Primaries

I wish there had been a primary in Pennsylvania. If there had been, maybe we wouldn't be stuck with an anti-choice DINO as a senator for the next several decades.

by: D_user1 @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:02:20 PM CDT

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A pro-life Casey and a pro-choice Specter

There in a nutshell is how litmus tests are a joke.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:07:37 PM CDT

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That said,

Casey has been far from the worst Democratic senator so far.

by: skaje @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 14:39:44 PM CDT

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Really can't see this

being anything more than an expensive waste of time.

That said, unlike a lot of primary challenges, I don't think this is likely to damage Gillibrand in ways that would hurt her in the general, since Maloney is going to be coming at her from the left, something no Republican is going to do.

by: SC @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:02:00 PM CDT

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I have said this many times

This is just a waste of resources. Particularly cash that may be better spent elsewhere.

Nobody is disputing that KG will win in 2010.

Maloney should be referred to in the media as Kamikaze and DINO as often as possible. That would be fitting.

Paterson did not find her to be good enough. Obama did not consider her to be enough of a threat. Her supporters need a IQ test.

by: fai calif @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:21:14 PM CDT

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Oh come on

I don't know where I am with Maloney (mostly because I don't know if I trust Gillibrand to continue being as progressive as she has been after a primary threat is erased) but there are two things I'd take issue with:

1. How exactly is Maloney a DINO (particularly compared to Gillibrand, who in the House was quite a bit more conservative)?

2. Why would you think that Paterson's judgment (which in this case was almost certainly colored by the fact that he's trying to kiss up to upstate) is so wonderful? From all of his other decisions (politically and in operating the government) I haven't seen any real sign of him having any good judgment.

Visit Election Inspection for first-rate political analysis.

by: DGM @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:32:02 PM CDT

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Let's say

Even Paterson did not find her to be good enough.

by: fai calif @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:38:15 PM CDT

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That's the best recommendation Maloney could get

; )

by: Paleo @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:51:56 PM CDT

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Kamikaze yes

DINO no. What I take issue with is people saying that about Gillibrand while Maloney has blots or her record like Iraq and voting for the border fence. She is very progressive but so is Gillibrand.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:47:45 PM CDT

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Ha! ha! ha!

DINO? Talk about chutzpah. Maloney never was a member of the blue dog caucus. It's one thing to attack Maloney, but you can't call her a DINO. Particularly when you're supporting someone with Gillibrand's background.

by: Paleo @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:51:03 PM CDT

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Anyone who thinks we should waste

$30M (or more) on a primary when we have a very good Senator in KG, is a DINO.
The resources will be badly needed elsewhere.

by: fai calif @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 15:09:27 PM CDT

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yep

If NY Democrats spent that kind of change on winning state Senate seats, that might actually end up doing good for average New Yorkers.

Wouldn't want that to happen, of course.

by: Baystater @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 18:11:16 PM CDT

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DINO means their politics are virtually Republican, or it means nothing.

by: Pan @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 20:28:02 PM CDT

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DINO?

I've argued that Maloney has been less liberal than her district in some significant votes, but she is far from being an actual Republican.

by: Pan @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 20:25:57 PM CDT

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Great news!

And I'm enjoying all the angst from the Gillibrand flacks here at the Gillibrand Project.

by: Paleo @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 13:48:56 PM CDT

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No angst

Just think its pointless and a shame to throw her House seniority away.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 14:00:58 PM CDT

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It is great news

It would be nice if there were more candidates, but one challenger is better than none.

The incomprehensible position of ome people on here is nothing if not uber-bizarre. ANY head-to-head primary in New York will push both candidates to the left, and both these candidates could use a boot to the left.

The best places for primaries are safe seats. It's not some "waste of money". It's getting the best choice for the people from among those willing to run.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

by: tommypaine @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 17:33:30 PM CDT

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Tasini is running

I don't know why you think it is bizarre when people don't see the need for a primary because the incumbent is already a party line vote.

by: conspiracy @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 18:18:12 PM CDT

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"Need"

Where does "need" come from? No one alive "needs" to run, or not run.

After any appointment, what is "needed" is a fair, open primary where the people, not some wildly unpopular politician, decides who should be Senator, from among those want to try to be a Senator.

The obvious side-effect of both Specter and KG moving to the left because of challenges is all the more obvious.

The attacks here and elsewhere on someone simply choosing to run for office are off the wall bizarre. Let whoever thinks they will make a good Senator run, and let the people decide. If CM has horrible positions and is a horrible candidate, fine, oppose her for her views, but criticizing someone for merely running is weird. This ain't Iran. Running is not a sin. It's called democracy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

by: tommypaine @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 19:53:34 PM CDT

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Neither one of them needs to move to the left

They are both voting how we want them to and this is a waste of resources.

I have faith in KG. She is playing representative politics, if you are representing NY-20, you play it more moderate, when you represent NY, balls to the wall. Specter is a giant tool because he told us to f off when he switched over and his constituency never changed so why should he.

KG's has and she will continue to vote left left left left or she will face a primary in every 6 years, regardless. There is simply zero evidence that she will switch back and while there isnt any evidence that she'll stay extremely liberal, Id say the odds and logic favor that much more so than he reversing. She came out for gay marriage as one of the first things she did, you dont do that if you plan on re-moderating yourself out after the primary. Her liberalness I believe is here to stay.

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"Her liberalness I believe is here to stay." LOL

And you know her "liberalness" is a just a front to avoid a primary?

You just called he a political hore for modifying her position out of need, so how do you illogically conclude that is she need not fear a primary that she will change herself to embrace "liberalness"? Face it, your position in that way is a total contradiction.

If Andrew Cuomo was primarying KG, we wouldn't be hearing any of this nonsense about ego and wasting resources and someone running for office as somehow a freaking bad thing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

by: tommypaine @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 19:58:21 PM CDT

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Actually I'd say the same whoever ran

You can check my post history. I didn't think anybody would be stupid enough to run. I was wrong. I am not wrong in believing Gillibrand will walk once she starts spending her warchest. It is a complete waste for Maloney to give up her House seat and all the seniority that goes with it.

by: conspiracy @ Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 05:44:16 AM CDT

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Not So Sure About This...

"ANY head-to-head primary in New York will push both candidates to the left, and both these candidates could use a boot to the left."

I really don't think we can say this categorically. There's about a dozen different ways that can NOT happen, and it's all because Blue states don't always pick the most "liberal" candidate, and two Dems squaring off don't always try to "out-liberal" each other.

by: colbycakes @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 20:56:18 PM CDT

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Some folks here disagree with you, and you respond with childish insults. It's gonna be a long, boring primary season if this is going to be your game. Stick to substance.

by: DavidNYC @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 21:24:16 PM CDT

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"Childish insults"

You mean like the attacks directed against Maloney on here for at least several weeks?

by: Paleo @ Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 09:16:44 AM CDT

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I am advising you

To stick to substance and refrain from accusing people of being in the tank for certain candidates.

by: DavidNYC @ Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 13:05:55 PM CDT

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At least we can probably get someone more progressive in the house.

Other than that, I don't see an upside. If Maloney was going to challenge Gillibrand from the left, then I would say fine, have at it. But she isn't.

by: Kanamit @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 14:58:39 PM CDT

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Actually

I think that's precisely what she'll try to do once the campaign actually heats up. The idiocy will be lessened and she will attack from the left. Now, since she's tacked hard left, it probably won't work.

by: Tiger in BlueDenver @ Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 16:11:05 PM CDT

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I doubt it.

Primary campaigns rarely get more civil as they go on.

by: Kanamit @ Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 05:14:37 AM CDT

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replace "civil" with "less idiotic"

by: Kanamit @ Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 05:22:10 AM CDT

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If you're right

She's truly got nothing. But, watching her for awhile, I do think Maloney has some substance. I wouldn't necessarily back her and she isn't Rush Holt brilliant, but she's not the empty vacuous idiot we often pretend she is. She made a colossally bad war vote, considering her constituency, and could afford to be more progressive all the way around, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have something interesting to say. If you're right, her message-makers are idiots, because she really COULD bring something to this race. You're right in that she'll probably lose it, but I still hope for something real to chew on and I think we'll get it.

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