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CA-Gov: Brown Beating Newsom; Foy May Get In

by: Crisitunity

Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM EDT


J. Moore Methods (D) (6/20-23, registered voters):

Jerry Brown (D): 46
Gavin Newsom (D): 26
(MoE: ±4.7%)

Here's the first poll of the California governor's primary on the Democratic side since LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa dropped out (although it's a Democratic pollster, it's not an internal). There aren't any trendlines so we can't see if AG Jerry Brown got a bump out of Villaraigosa's disappearing act (Brown, the former governor, is better known in southern California than his rival, SF Mayor Gavin Newsom), but Brown now has a convincing lead. Brown leads even more among voters 60+ (i.e. those old enough to remember Brown's first turn as Governor): 54-20. Newsom leads among the 18-to-39 set, 37-26.

There's one other interesting new tidbit in the Governor's race: Ventura County Supervisor Peter Foy says he's now "strongly" looking into the race and will decide within the next couple months. Your first response is probably: who? Well, Foy is coming from a small regional base (affluent suburbia west of Los Angeles), and is decidely money-impaired compared with mega-self-funders Meg Whitman and Steve Poizner. Here's the rub, though: Foy is a pro-lifer, and a doctrinaire fiscal conservative who helped lead the fight against Proposition 1A. Currently, the conservative movement has absolutely no horse in the race, with the primary field containing three pro-choice business/establishment conservatives (Whitman, Poizner, and ex-Rep. Tom Campbell). If movement conservatives unite behind Foy while the moderate vote gets split three ways, Foy could suddenly be a force to be reckoned with.

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Ventura County
So it's very conservative? I find that somewhat surprising.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


No, it's swing
Obama won the county 55-43. Foy is conservative, nonetheless. (His Board of Supervisors district is based in Simi Valley, a city with a conservative reputation (i.e. where Rodney King got tried), but he still barely won election to his Board of Supervisors seat. In fact, Peter Dantona, the Dem I mentioned in today's digest, was the guy who almost beat him.)

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Dantona
   I thought his first name was Jim. He explored running for State Senate last year but dropped the bid so former Assemblymember Hannah-Beth Jackson could have a shot at it. Jackson lost to Tony Strickland (Gaah!) by less than 2000 votes. Are you sure his name is Peter? (not that it matters too much)

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I've thought for a while
that Brown should be favoured reasonably strongly here.  He's run statewide before (many times), and his support gets stronger and stronger the older the voters get, which is a tremendous advantage since, generally speaking, likelihood of voting increases with age.

I'm pro-Brown, myself; he's got a pretty good record overall, comes across as very competent, and his returning for another term would be a fun story.  I really dislike Newsom; I agree with his civil rights positions, but I don't think he's been at all effective in his advocacy for them.


Given the penchant Californians have
for electing republicans (patic), pray to God that Foy gets in.

Poizner is down right liberal
all things considered.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

Poizner is the most electable, most qualified candidate
Steve Poizner's positions can best be described as conservative on most all issues and moderate on a few- for the benefit of those who would rather talk labels than issues.

If you take a look at the resumes and records of all the candidates of either party, he's clearly the most qualified to lead California at this time.


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Im getting confused
Ive heard many describe Poizner as conservative, many as moderate and some as even liberal. Guess I should just do alot of research to form my own opinion ;).

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ok, here's what I know
He almost won in a 70-30 Kerry house district in 2004. He ran as a reform candidate and I donated to him to beat Cruz Bustamante. He refused to accept money from the industry he would regulating; insurance, while, (and this is the number I remember reading), Cruz got 60% of his campaign funds from that industry, and was trying to play musical chairs.

He ran as a reformer. He appears to be fairly pro-environment, pro-choice, pro-stem cell research, pro-gay marriage, (i think), and fiscally conservative. On the whole, from what i've heard. But he has some baggage, he fought hard to defeat Proposition1a which would have created a rainy day fund to prevent further budget fiascos, (at least from my reading of it). In any case he appears to be a business conservative.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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1A was hated on both sides of the Californian political spectrum
Pretty much everybody worked hard to defeat it, except Democratic legislative leaders and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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why? it seems like the same kind
of commonsense backup plan that has been successfully put in place in other states and been very popular in fact.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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1A also included a spending cap.
A similar measure passed in Colorado a few years back and had been a disaster for them.

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I'm fairly certain Poizner is part of the anti-tax whackos
He's also in bed with business, obviously, which does not particularly endear me to him. I'm extremely liberal, but I have no idea who I'm going to vote for in the 2010 CA Dem primary. I was hoping for a non-Brown, non-Newsom option but it doesn't look like there will be one.

I think Jerry Brown can steamroll Poizner in a general - but  I also think that, if there's a movement conservative in the primary, that Poizner can't win the primary, splitting the moderate vote with Meg Whitman.


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Tom Campbell is the best candidate
hands down, either party.

And likely would make the best Governor... which once again merely reflects on the woeful Democratic Party of California.


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Campbell
To tell you the truth I've taken a liking to Campbell as well. He's very liberal when it comes to social issues like gay marriage as well. He also was a congressman in the South Bay. Unfortunately he's one of those candidates that you can like but will never win.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Ahahahahahahahahaha... no


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sorry, guess my impression
must have been wrong.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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2010
I'm going to be able to vote by then, going to be an exciting year in California, especially for a political junkie like myself. Also I live in the Bay Area, where Newsom and Brown come from. The Republicans seem determined to clear the primary field for Whitman in hopes that she would have a better shot in the general election. Especially if Brown and Newsom bloody each other up during the primary.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

I can't wait also.
Hopefully I'll be back home in California by the time of the elections.

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Moderate republicans
In California it can mean a lot of things.

Nominally they are:

1. pro-choice
2. limited pro-gay
3. some pro-environment leanings
4. all of the above
5. some of the above

I do not want democrats to face any of these moderate republicans. They (ie D) have a good chance of losing.

I am also a little wary of having Gov Moonbeam as our candidate. But gavin newsom does not inspire a lot of confidence either. My choice was the lt gov who withdrew.


Garamendi?
I really like Moonbeam.

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Brown
Inless Feinstein gets In I think Brown wins.Remember Older Democrats helped Hillary won the California Primary In 2008
against President Obama.Although she also had Asians and
Hispanics.Brown may be the best shot at taking the governorship back.If I lived In California I would be
voting for Brown.

Ditto.


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Brown got a huge bounce from Antonio pulling out
First, there are old trendlines.

The SF Chronicle printed numbers from the same poll showing 2:1 movement for Brown:

With Villaraigosa in the lineup, the numbers read:

-- Brown, 33 percent.

-- Newsom, 20 percent.

-- Villaraigosa, 17 percent.

Take the L.A. mayor out, and it's:

-- Brown, 46 percent.

-- Newsom, 26 percent.

But the big jump is in fundraising where Newsom is just getting slaughtered. Here are the numbers from the late reports since last Monday when Antonio pulled out:

Jerry Brown:    $303,330
Gavin Newsom: $56,800

That is with Newsom getting checks under a $25,900 cap and Brown still under the $6,500 AG cap. And everyone expects Newsom's CoH to be miserable with how quickly he's burning money.

All this despite Newsom campaigning pretty much full time for a year now. And while he's been on the road campaigning, things in SF have been going to crap. Right now Newsom's getting protested by LGBT and Labor at City Hall:

Robert Haaland is a labor activist and long time leader of the local chapter of Pride at Work. He told us the budget cuts "are no different from what Schwarzenegger is doing. No new revenue, deep cuts to health and human services. It'd be fine if he was running as a Republican governor."

Haaland pointed out that when Newsom ran against Supervisor Matt Gonzales in 2003, Newsom was neutral on gay marriage, and Gonzales got the majority of votes in District 8, which includes the Castro.

"He changed his position on marriage, but that doesn't give him license to use marriage as a shield for budget cuts affecting LGBT and poor people," Haaland said.

And [Harvey Milk Club president Rafael] Mandelman sums up, "It's great to celebrate marriage, but for a lot of people it's a luxury."

Hopefully Newsom will resist the calls for him to save face and pull out as he'll make Brown an even better nominee.


Newsom pulling out might actually give us a decent candidate
Assuming Brown doesn't have health problems in the next year, Newsom is unelectable, so he should get out before being crushed (resulting in implications that his Howard Dean/gay marriage moment is what sunk him rather than being a sucky candidate).

If Brown is unopposed, he'll win.  If a better candidate comes along and beats Brown in the primary, she/he will win.  But if Newsom hacks at Brown for a year, he (Brown) could be very damaged next fall.


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