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Rust Belt Redistricting Musings

by: displacedyankdem

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM EDT


The following are my thoughts on redistricting each of the Midwestern states-from Iowa and Missouri to Western Pennsylvania. I think in general, things look good for Dems right now, with the exceptions of Indiana and Missouri. But read on and tell me what you think.
displacedyankdem :: Rust Belt Redistricting Musings
In alphabetical order

Iowa

I think that in some ways, Iowa is the most predictable state because of the way they redraw their lines. You know that there will be a Democratic leaning 1st District in the northeast, a stronger Democratic 2nd in the southeast part, a Polk County/Des Moines based 3rd, and Steve King's wingnut friendly 4th in the Western part of the state.

Indiana

With the GOP likely to run remap here, the consensus is that they'll target Baron Hill by stripping him of Bloomington. I think that's potentially dangerous, as neither Buyer or Burton are good campaigners. Furthermore, I think Baron Hill would be a great candidate for Governor, so the Indiana GOP better be careful what it wishes for......

Illinois
Two thoughts: if Kirk runs for Senate and we win his 10th (or if we win it outright), I'm guessing the ultimate target would be Judy Biggert, who's older and less politically talented than Roskam. The best bet might be to pair them together in an ultra GOP DuPage based district and use the Dem leftovers with parts of say, the 9th to create a new Dem district.

Now my evil little thought: I wonder if we could create a Democratic leaning monstrosity with the most Democratic friendly parts of Rockford, Peoria, Champaign/Urbana, and Springfield. Yeah it'd be ugly, but so is Phil Hare's 17th.....

Michigan

In Michigan, if Dems run remap, there are several ways to go with it. My guess is that they would draw Thad McCotter into an Ann Arbor based district that he couldn't win-that's by far the easiest. I also think they'll. The other thing they should do is draw a Lansing based Democratic District drawn for Virg Bernero and give the GOP parts of the 8th to Candice Miller and pack all of the GOP's Southeast strongholds into a single district. I suppose there's also the outside possibility of a Dem Western district that combines the city of Grand Rapids with some of the Dem leaning counties on Lake Michigan, but I'm not sure Vern Ehlers wouldn't win that anyways....

Minnesota
Regardless of whether the state ends up with 7 or 8 CDs, the objective of Minnesota's redistricting plan (if Dems control, and I think they will) will be to get rid of Michele Bachmann. The only difference being how you do it. If there are 8 CDs, you simply draw a 6th that is is close to even and friendly to State Senator Tarryl Clark. If there are 7, slam her into an uber-GOP (Sherburne, Wright, Carver,Scott and the most GOP friendly parts of Dakota, Anoka, and Hennepin)  district with John Kline.

The big question here in either case is whether the DFL goes after the 3rd by swapping some of the more Democratic suburbs like St. Louis Park and Hopkins for GOP friendly stuff like Edina.

Missouri

Dems have to pray that Missouri holds onto its 9th CD so they can simply play incumbent protection and draw a more friendly 4th CD along the I-70 corridor from KC to Boone County. If Missouri goes to 8, I'm almost certain that Skelton's district is toast.

Ohio

If Dems control redistricting and Ohio loses 2 seats, here's some possibilities
-The basic premise is to pack the GOPers into 4 ultra GOP districts: the 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th while creating a Dem Dayton district, cracking the 14th into 3, and the 2nd into 3 parts plus creating a Democratic leaning mashup of the 18th and 12th designed for Zack Space.

-Create a Democratic 3rd by combining Montgomery County with Oxford and the most Dem friendly turf you can find in Greene.
-Eliminate Jean Schmidt's 2nd with the Dem parts of Hamilton going to the 1st, the GOP suburban stuff splitting between the 7th and 8th CDs and the Dem leaning Ohio River Counties into the 6th.
-Drop the GOP parts of the 15th into the 4th, 5th, and 7th and pick up Dem friendly turf in Franklin. However be careful because....
-To protect Zack Space, try and take what's left of Franklin and mate it to the friendliest portions of the 18th while dropping as much of the GOP stuff into the 7th as possible.
-Finally, crack Steve LaTourette's 14th into 3 between Marcia Fudge's 10th (as much of Geauga  as you can get away with), Tim Ryan's new district (which would be something like half of Lake and what's left of Geauga, Astabula, Trumbull and the most Dem parts of Mahoning with some Dem strength going to Boccieri in the 16th), Finally, put the other half of Lake into Kucinich's 10th by connecting it along Lake Erie.

Pennsylvania

As I remarked in another diary, Tim Murphy is almost certainly toast because the map is likely to be redrawn by a judge due to the split in the state legislature. Flat out, there is no way that any sane judge would draw something similar to Murphy's one step short of fictitious 18th CD that he has now. He'll either wind up running against Murtha (and will lose) or will end up in something similar to Frank Mascara's old 20th (which he'd lose as well).

Wisconsin

I think the best target for Wisconsin Dems, should they control the trifecta, would be to go after Paul Ryan rather than Tom Petri-its much easier to play mix and match with the heavily Democratic 2nd and 4th than it is with Petri's 6th. Ryan's also waaaay to conservative for his district as it is, and Petri is something of an institution in his district anyways, even if on paper it is slightly more Democratic.

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my only comment
the only thought I really have on this is your Illinois outlook.  What happens when Scott Harper beats Judy Biggert??

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Agreed (I live in the 13th)
Biggert isn't going to be a problem. Either she loses in 2010 or she retires soon.I say just push this district to the Dems by a few points and you have a dem district.  

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On IN-9 (Baron Hill)
My only thing is that Indiana Republicans can't really do anything with Bloomington, because as you said, anywhere else they put it is just going to make that district more Democratic. My thought is that they're just going to let it be.

23, liberal democrat, SSP Gay Caucus Majority Whip, IN-02 (home), IN-03 (birth), SC-03 (early childhood), IN-09 (college);   DKos: HoosierD42

they could put Bloomington in the Ellsworth district
make an already-Democratic district even more Democratic in order to hurt Baron Hill.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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Indiana -- That's exactly what I think they will do
The Republicans know that Brad Ellsworth isn't going anywhere (unless he runs for Senate if Lugar retires).  With Evansville as the population anchor of any SW Indiana district, barring a scandal or him doing something monumentally stupid, the seat's his -- so why not put Bloomington in with Terre Haute (a Democratic-leaning city) and Evanaville, and gut the district of a few Republican counties.  That would make Baron Hill's life very, very difficult.  The good news is, as the original diary says, Baron Hill (who I like a lot) would make a very good Gov. candidate for the 2012 open seat, especially if the R's nominate a wingnut -- even before 2008, moderate Democrats do well agaisnt hard-right Republicans here.

The other problem no one has mentioned here yet is in Northern Indiana.  It would not be hard to make Joe Donelley's life difficult, by making Indiana 01 even more Democratic.  Run that district from Lake County east, and take in solid Democratic areas like Michigan City, and Donnelley could be in trouble.


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I wouldn't put it past them
to mess with Carson, either.  

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Maybe, but it might be a gamble
I think the safest thing for the R's to do would be to try to take out one Southern and one Northern district.  Parcelling out Indianapolis into suburban districts might be a bit riskier -- but there are an endless number of different maps that could be drawn, so we'll have to see what happens.

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I drew this on a lark
Picture 4

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YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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A democrat could win the Red district I think
Lafayette, plus, Bloomington, plus part of Indianapolis... The Conservative areas of the district were generally under 60% for McCain, so it would be tough but doable.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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What is that abomination?
What determined those lines?!

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I considered what the Republicans might try
if they thought they could pick up three seats.

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Maps, please?
Thanks to Dave's Redistricting website, the quality of redistricting diaries posted here has gone up significantly.  I'd be particularly interested to see your Ohio map.

Regarding MN - since Bachmann lives in Stillwater, the first step in any redistricting is to extend McCollum's seat into central Washington county.  That helps to allow MN-06 to reach south around the metro area, instead of east, to join up with Kline's hometown of Lakeville.  Andrew did a heck of a map illustrating this last week.


making a map on Dave's App takes hours
this description is good enough, especially since it's for several states.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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really?
cause they take me thirty minutes and they're quite fun.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I have a laptop
click and drag is slower than with a traditional mouse

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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that sucks


Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I'm advocating diary quality
We have the tool available to us, for some if not all states of interest...so we should be using it.

And also bugging Dave to kindly enhance the tool to make life easier and, yes, faster.  'Click here to color this entire (city or county) in CD-01', for example.


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I know has been said many times before...
But I would love to see political data there, if applicable. Although I have seen redistricting projects, here, that have used his maps but also had political data to go along with it. But I guess they just have to find such data independent of Dave's applications.  

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As requested
Here's Ohio

Northeast Ohio

Cuyahoga County

4th, 5th and 15th CDs (Central Ohio)

12th CD

7th CD

Southern part of 6th CD

Northern Part of 6th CD

Southwest Ohio

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Oh, and a note about the 9th & 13th CDs
The 9th is all of Lucas, Wood, Henry, Fulton, Williams, and half of Seneca. The 13th has all of Ottawa County in addition to what you see in the 4th/5th/15th pic.

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Thank you
It was a lot easier to understand what you wanted to do with the current 14th and 2nd districts once I saw the maps, I appreciate the time you put into them.

I also like how you handled Columbus.  The current 3-way cracking is just nasty.


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After reapportionment
Other than those mentioned (Ohio, Missouri) there are other "Rust Belt" states that may lose a representative in Congress -- Illinios, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.  I stress the word MAY, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Texas has a lock on three new seats but a very good chance to pick up four next time around.



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