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NY-Sen-B: Reports Say Maloney to Challenge Gillibrand

by: DavidNYC

Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 9:19 PM EDT


The lede of this CQ piece has a surreal feel to it:

Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney plans to announce a primary challenge to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand on her Web site Thursday morning, according to two sources including a member of New York's congressional delegation.

Maloney disputed that characterization in a brief hallway interview.

"Where did you get that from?" she asked. "It's not true."

Regardless of the timing or venue, several of her New York colleagues, including Reps. Jerrold Nadler and Anthony D. Weiner, said Maloney has told them she will run. She has also indicated to political allies in her "silk stocking" district on Manhattan's Upper East Side that she is preparing a bid.

So CQ has knowledgeable, high-level sources who say that Maloney is preparing a run, but Maloney denies it to their faces? Perhaps she was just disputing CQ's claims about the "timing or venue," as they say, but even so, this is kind of embarrassing. If you're going to take on someone with as much grit, fundraising prowess, and establishment backing as Kirsten Gillibrand, faltering out the gate like this is seriously small-time. I guess we'll find out the truth tomorrow, but still... weak.

Anyhow, if Maloney does run, I'm sure it will set off a hot primary in her safe blue (D+26) seat - which just so happens to be the Congressional district I've lived in for my entire life. So what do you say, folks? State Sen. Liz Krueger, Assemblyman Jonathan Bing, Councilwoman Jessica Lappin... or SSP Blogfather and People-Powered Prophet DavidNYC? James will be accepting applications for my campaign staff in the comments.

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My guess is that Liz Krueger would have the
inside track. Apparently the old people love her.  

But of course I think she would be an excellent
Representative: she's quite progressive.  

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Yeah... I'm not sure this is going to work out, son.
You might be better off working for another campaign.

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Yeah.
The movie is called "Carnegie Hill Wrecking Crew: How the Rabble Elected One of Their Own on the Upper East Side".

[ Parent ]
Who are you calling "rabble," pal?


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Go for it
Seriously. Why not? You never know when another open seat will come up...

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I volunteer
I promise a constant supply of chocolate babka to keep my candidate energized and ready to go.

I like what I'm hearing here.
You got the job, kid!

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Will work for free food!
I'm every bit the political geek any SSPer is, with specialized knowledge about electoral history, Congress, legislative policy, and the law, a depth of experience from the Obama and Duckworth campaigns, a willingness to work beyond acceptable hours, and a good singing voice.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

I'm in NYC studying for the Bar.
As soon as that over, I'd work for you DavidNYC!

Welcome to the city.


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Thanks!
I love this place.

[ Parent ]
I've been there twice
and enjoyed both trips.

Maybe I could move there and help out with David!

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We like the way you think. (eom)


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Been there four times
and will never get sick of visiting. Of course, haven't been since 2004 (money, money, money...).

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Been there only once
A few years ago and just in Midtown and loved it, as well. Was there for a whole afternoon and still there was so much left to see in Midtown alone. Was staying with my friend in East Brunswick, NJ and so not a full vacation in NYC...but I wish we had made more time for NYC. Im more of a nature freak but no one can deny how spectacular that city is.

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I've been to Central Park too.
Not sure exactly which districts I was in, but pretty much my whole time in the city on both trips was in Manhattan. I went to Central Park, Columbus Circle, Times Square, Off Broadway Theater, Empire State Building, Little Italy, Chinatown, Grand Central Station, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Rockefeller Center, a boat ride (with lunch!) around Manhattan Island, and of course the Statue of Liberty.

On my second trip in May 2002, a college Service Learning trip where we worked at the Community Food Bank in Newark New Jersey, we even went to see what we could of Ground Zero. My first was a high school band trip in April 2000.

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There is just so much to see
That its not even funny. And thats just in Manhattan! Theres alot to see in Brooklyn, Queens and some other areas of NYC. Long Island, though not part of NYC, would also make for a great trip. That Jersey friend of mine has an Italian grandmother from Brooklyn...would love to taste her food sometime. We arent as close as we use to be so who knows if it will ever happen.  

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I was there once
for a week doing a Model UN conference and then a few days extra for sight-seeing.  It was awesome but holy shit, I would never live there after knowing what things normally cost elsewhere.  Applebee's burger $13-$15 bucks, eat shit!  

Ill hopefully have money left over from my loan refund check so I can take a weekend trip out there and see a show and go to some museums. Hailing cabs is so fun and a subway system.  Mmmmhhhhmmmmm.


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Your first mistake
was to eat at Applebee's!  

[ Parent ]
Here's your mistake
Going to Applebee's! :)

Old Town Bar, Shake Shack, Connolly's -- now any of those guys know how to make a burger (and you won't have to pay $15 to eat one)!


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hahahaha
lesson learned.  

There was this awesome place in Midtown on Broadway I think, Belly Deli Deli or something like that.  I love those types of places in Manhattan, so many options.


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Wouldn't think any catering establishment
Would want to be associated with "Dehli/Deli Belly" in any shape or form!

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Maybe he was hoping to meet
David Brooks, at the salad bar.

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haha
Give me a place to stay for free, and I'll walk precincts day and night for you. I'll even work for food. lol But not peanuts. lol I'm allergic! haha

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So am I! lol


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I wonder if I could convince my grandmother
to give up a couch for sleeping.  It's in Staten Island, though, so a hell of a commute.

She's 100% off the boat Italian, so you know the food would be good.


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Indeed.
And I have had the wonderful experience from my boyfriend's grandmother, who is also 100% Italian (though born in Brazil).

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I'm living with her this summer, as I did last
summer.  It spoils you for sure!

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I'll second that
not the peanuts part, I'm not allergic...though I'd much prefer pizza, Mexican, or Thai.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Love Thai, eh?
When I was in central NJ there was a great Thai restaurant in the East Brunswick area, though i forget the name. Its actually my friend's (whom i visited) favorite restaurant. Though I could never live in her area due to the very high cost of living (unless i made pretty good money) it is very culturally liberal, though politically moderate. Rush Holt definitely seems like a good fit, although probably more liberal than the area as a whole.

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Holt-Pappas
It shows a lot about the change in New Jersey politics that Rush Holt, who had to upset right-wing extremist, Michael Pappas, back in 1998, wins reelection easily every two years. As a New York City resident, I was an ear-witness to Holt's radio ads, which were absolutely brilliant. One of the best campaigns ever! "Twinkle, twinkle, Kenneth Starr..." :-)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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I think
the same can be said of Adam Schiff (D-CA) who wins easily every 2 years since his 2000 upset of right-winger Jim Rogan, who voted to impeach Bill Clinton even though the district (based in Burbank, Glendale, and Pasadena) passionately loved Clinton and Rogan won with less than 51% of the vote. And let's not forget a Calitics favorite, Loretta Sanchez who, after upsetting nutjob "B-1" Bob Dornan in 1996, also wins easily every 2 years. Lots have changed in California politics since the early 90s, and mostly for the better!

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Loretta Sanchez
Great point about Sanchez. Dornan was very hard to beat, but after she finally beat him, it was smooth sailing from there. I'm less familiar with the 2000 campaign of Adam Schiff.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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The Schiff-Rogan race
was and still is the most expensive House race ever, though Schiff won by a surprising 53-44. The district was the Dems' highest priority at the time because of the historically Republican area's leftward trend, and Rogan's defeat is widely attributed to his vote for impeachment of Clinton.

And interestingly, this area is close to where I'm from, being just west of my hometown's district, CA-26. Dreier, you're next...

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Schiff's district
A friend also lives there, who is Armenian-American like a significant part of that district (Glendale alone has around 100,000 Armenians). Schiff has been a big fighter for Armenian causes and is probably one of the reasons he cruises there. Many Armenians do seem rather culturally conservative although probably not true of the younger generations (my friend certainly is not).

Loretta Sanchez's district has probably swung so far left in recent years (since the GOP took on a hardline approach to immigration) that even if she vacated it to run for higher office within the next few years itd still be extremely likely to stay Dem.  


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I too am part Armenian
thanks to my maternal grandfather, and I am about as culturally liberal as you can get! So maybe the times are changing with the younger fellow Armenians.

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Damn, son
Good luck with the bar exam! It was the worst thing I've ever voluntarily done to myself, but you'll survive. Just don't miss any of those BarBri classes and do tons of sample problems and you'll be fine. We'll see you at the end of July! :)

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Haha. Yeah, it's been loads of
fun so far...

Thanks for the well wishes.


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I write stupid things, but with really good sentence structure.
Speechwriter?

28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08

Any SSPer can write a sufficiently hackneyed political speech
"We have made progress, yet challenges remain. We see America not only as a nation, but as a wonderful collective, a patchwork quilt of differing individuals and perspectives. We must continue to look forward, not backward, and we must persevere. For we choose still to believe that America's best days are indeed ahead of us and not behind us. And after all, as the great Franklin Roosevelt once said, 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.'"

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Always twirling,
twirling, twirling towards freedom.

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Can I just say how glad I am that Gillibrand is getting a challange
            I mean I really don't feel strongly about Gillibrand and Maloney one way or the other. If there is a primary I really haven't decided who I am going to vote. But having said that I was really turned off by the intervention by the White House into this race. I don't really appreciate being told who the hell I can vote for. The fact of the matter is Gillibrand was APPOINTED to this position by a governor who wasn't even elected to the position. And quite frankly after the last six months. I really don't want Paterson's recomendation on anything.

         Now I know some people are scared that the seat could flip because of a messy primary. But this is New York, even in a bad environment I have a tough time believing the seat could flip. Although I do think NY should move up it's primary to an earlier date. I actually think a primary could be a good thing, especially for Gillibrand. She's never run statewide before.And quite frankly I know that people make a big deal about how she defeated a republican in a very republican leaning district. But still it was 2006 a democratic year, and the guy she defeated John Sweeney, wasn't he accused of beating his wife or something? Not to mention the fact that you also had Spitzer and Clinton on the ballot, who also received 70 percent. Can I also just say that there is something about Gillibrand that just rubs me the wrong way, I can't put my finger on it, but there is just something that I really don't like.

           But having said that I promise to keep an open mind, and I am glad that I will at least have a choice. So, hopefully Rahm Emanuel and the president can go shove it.

  PS: I do love Obama and I like some of the toughness that I see from Emanuel, but I just disagree with them


Im gonna disagree
There is not much of a reason to challenge Gillibrand except for your reasoning, which I dont find sufficient.  She's a solid liberal vote, is young, and can hold that seat for a good 40-50 years.  And she came out for gay marriage, good enough for me!  (That should really become a basic ideology question, we're getting to a point where a Dem not supporting gay marriage should never win the Dem primary, unless in conservative/moderate areas obviously.  Come 2016, I'll be supporting only pro-gay marriage candidates for president, it'll be time for that pickiness.)

But oh well, we're a democracy and let the people speak.


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word
Not to mention the literally tens of MILLIONS of dollars it will cost to conduct this primary. I do agree though, and can understand the issues with Obama stepping in on the Senator's behalf, but I think that he understands that 20 million dollars spent in New York for a seat that is ultimately going to end up in Democratic hands, is 20 million dollas that could have been spent in Missouri, New Hampshire, Kentucky, etc.

Your state will ultimately do what its going to do, but remember, every ad you see on TV is probably 5 that aren't running in Kentucky.


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Question
where is this $20 million coming from?

Is the DSCC obligated to spend for Gillibrand?  They probably dont want to, why should they have to foot the bill for the appointment process being a screwed up one.  I like Gillibrand but if she gets a challenge, so be it.  But I dunno, if I were them I wouldnt want to get into this kind of a nasty NY fight.

And so if that $20 million doesnt include any DSCC money, then it is a crap one because probably 80%-90% of that money will stay in the pockets of New Yorkers who dont give a shit about KY, NH, or MO.


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Well, for now she seems like a nice realiable vote
    but what happens if somewhere down the road, let's say 2012, when she's up for realection again. And It's looking like it will be a terriable year for Democrats. Obama turns out to be reincarnation of Carter (I don't think that will happen, but bear with me for a second). I mean what's gonna happen, is she going to flip on some key positions again. She only did come out for gay marriage when she was appointed to the position.

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New York is liberal
New York is a very liberal state now. Gillibrand is a very smart politician and knows what positions she had to take to be elected in the 20th District and now to be elected to a full term as Senator. What I'd be concerned about is what she would do if she were to become President, because it's unclear to me whether she has any core principles other than being elected. But I frankly don't care as long as she continues to represent New York well as a good and effective liberal. She would change her spots as Senator only if New York becomes less liberal, not merely because President Obama lost popularity nationally.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Maybe she is a diehard liberal
and was only more moderate to be able to hold NY-20.  Not all ideology switching is bad I'd say.  You do have to represent your constituency and be able to get re-elected to some degree and maybe she made sure to mesh well with NY-20 and she can feel at home as a liberal NY-Senator.  She flipped pretty solidly on a lot of the issues people were worried about and went above and beyond I'd say.

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Know way to know
You could be right, you could be wrong, but I don't care, as long as she keeps it up.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Agreed, gay marriage should be a mandatory answer from every politician
Left, right, center, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever. If Dick Cheney can come out in public support of it then theres no excuse for any pro-gay marriage politician to publicly support it. I understand his daughter is a lesbian and so maybe its easier for him to support it than most other conservative Republicans but still...took a lot of political courage to publicly come out for it. And I'll give him credit where credit is due. I just hope more follow suit. Unless they are in a conservative district I dont think it will be a big deal. I dont think there will be alot of electoral repercussions.  

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He's out of power
I agree with you, but let's not forget that when Cheney had the power, he didn't say anything.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Very true
And I wish he had.  

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I disagree
Hi, everyone. My name's Michael and I'm in the East Village but grew up on the Upper West Side, where Maloney was sometimes my Representative. Maloney is not that liberal - especially for her district - nor is she very smart. She voted against Clinton's first budget, whereupon I sent her a letter stating that nihilism is not an appropriate philosophy for a legislator (unlike the Republicans, she didn't offer an alternative budget, however irresponsible). After getting a huge storm of protest from her constituents - which I believe she didn't expect, since she had previously represented only the Silk Stocking District - she ended up voting for other Clinton budgets. But then, she voted for the Iraq war resolution, and her reasoning at the time was completely stupid, totally conflating Al Qaida and Saddam in a way that showed that she knew and understood nothing about the Middle East or the Muslim world.

When Gillibrand was appointed, I was irate, but she's been more liberal than Schumer, so far. I'm very happy with her and would not hesitate to vote for her against Maloney.

By the way, I followed this site during the run-up to the 2008 elections and have found it equally interesting since. I registered because I wanted to post about President Obama's nomination of McHugh for Secretary of the Army, but with the 24-hour delay in posting privileges, of course one of you long since posted about it. Glad to be part of the site now.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Welcome aboard, Michael
Sorry about the 24-hour account activation delay -- David and I don't like having that feature in place, but we've had some problems with trolls and sockpuppeteers lately, so we've had to take measures to tighten up access somewhat.

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Thank you
Thanks for the welcome, James. As a former moderator at a food-discussion site (you'd be amazed what food fights can take place if you feed the trolls :-), I totally understand the reason for the 24-hour delay.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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LOL PUN
Haha, yeah, I joined about two yeras back I think, when there was no such thing, so I was wondering what you were talking about until James commented.

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Why dont you run
in all seriousness.  Elected office simply not in your future?  You would certainly get a shit ton of support from the netroots and bloggers, and I'm sure you are quite connected in NYC politics.  Congressman DavidNYC, the city you represent is even in your name, shoe-in!

I think it sounds like about half of us on this blog would run if our seats opened up or we were viable candidates in them and I really do expect this blog to produce a lot of great politicians, we are all already so calculating and knowledgeable about campaigns due to us watching everyone else's.  I wouldnt be surprised if the crew of regulars here someday span up and down the ballot, from dogcatcher to president.


Primaries
Not liking this primary at all.  A huge waste of resources.  We are going to be behind the 8-Ball in some races we could have had a shot at thanks to primaries in NY, KY, OH, PA etc.  

29/D/Male/NY-01

Primaries are the lifeblood of a party
As long as they are civil, they are great things.

In this case, a primary involving an appointed incumbent is a no brainer good thing.  We don't want to find out we have a shitty candidate in the general.

Hopefully we'll get a good candidate in Colorado too.


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Colorado
I wish you would! Why do you think Governor Ritter appointed that guy in the first place?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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It was thought
That Bennet was seen by Ritter as an easy stooge to control.  Either he would step down and Ritter would step in himself or Hickenlooper would and he would owe Ritter big-time.  Now I'm not so sure.  At the time of the appointment, I think a high-level name would have drawn a feeding frenzy of high-level Dems jumping ship and, maybe, the state Party just wasn't comfortable with that.  Now, most of the big guns are gone and only a few (i.e., Romanoff) would step up to the challenge.  

I, for one, was hoping whoever it was would not be Denver-based candidate.  The state Party does much better if they go suburban and pick up the Denver-Boulder corridor just because any Dem would, not because anyone has home-field advantage.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01


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Waste of resources.
    I nominate myself slayer of the "waste of resources" argument for your campaign, DavidNYC.  Obviously, you're not going to raise more money than other candidates in the primary.  So you might be slighted by the "waste of resources" argument.  I pledge to "waste" $5 in your campaign for Democratic nominee for NY-14.  
   In my duties as an aide for your campaign I will point out real wastes of resources: building a stadium in NYC with taxpayer money, Bloomberg's billions saturating the NYC media market, etc.  I will also help curry favor with your future constituents by making jokes at the expense of upper west side residents.
  When do I start?

24, Male, GA-05

I would start with this maxim:
Don't attack today those who could live in your district tomorrow.  

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Maloney's going to get stomped
but she's welcome to try, of course.  But nothing Gillibrand has done since becoming senator has led me to believe she deserves to be booted.  If I was in New York, I'd vote for Gillibrand.

Too bad that Maloney's making this kamikaze mission
because Gillibrand's voting record has so far been solid, she's a very appealing candidate, and Maloney has considerable seniority and a great reputation in the House (she was the heroine of the credit card bill this year, writing the House bill that Dodd eventually shepherded through the Senate). There is little reason for most primary voters to oppose Gillibrand, even if they love Maloney (and Maloney is fantastic), and meanwhile, one of the House delegation's brightest stars would be leaving her legacy behind.

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I don't remember for certain...
but I thought her reputation in the House was only so-so (and that might be being charitable).

Maybe if some or the SSPers from the district can quit futzing with their silk stockings for a moment, they can enlighten us.


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really?
She's been active and visible in a lot of the major legislative battles of the last couple years.

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Hmmm
Babka provider and speechwriter are taken. And I assume James will be campaign manger.

Deputy campaign manager for the Midwest? Lots of swing states here that you can't afford to lose. I'll provide a gift of babka if I lose any state for you.  


In that case make me the deputy campaign manager for the West Coast!
And maybe throw in the Southwest, since we gotta lotta competitive states out there too.

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No, no
I've got the Southwest and southern Rockies y yo hablo espanol tambien.

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[ Parent ]
Well okay, though yo hablo espanol tambien.


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What the hell is wrong in NY state politicians?
Hey, I know you all have your hearts set on challenging the strong campaigner with insane fundraising skills that has voted nearly perfectly, but why don't you guys look over toward Albany? You could practically walk right over Paterson with his numbers, forchrissakes.

Some people want to be Senators
and being a Governor of anything these days is a masochist's goal.

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It will be a funny reversal of fortune
when Senators are preferred to Governors in presidential races! Back in the "old" days Senators were less-than-desirable presidential candidates because their voting records could be picked apart mercilessly. Now Governors may not be so desirable because of all the unpopular cutting measures they have to do in this crisis.

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People are short-sighted
it's human nature or something.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
Pawlenty is really screwed in this one
he's going use allotments to fix our budget, and I think he will be responsible or personally cutting over $1 billion.  And the DFL had already cut lots of stuff so he is going to be doing the final touches that will be like children's health insurance, elderly services, schools, transportation (thank god we raised the shit out of taxes and fees for that already).  

I really dont know how he would be able to do well because he's going to come out more tarnished than most other Governor's because they at least have state legislature back-up.


[ Parent ]
Governors Are Not Legislators
Not all statewide positions appeal to all people. There's a big difference between being a legislator and being an administrator. Bloomberg likes running things, and I'd guess he'd hate being one of many people trying to create and affect policy. Other people may enjoy being policy wonks but not like the day-to-day detail work and oversight necessary to implement those policies. They're just two very different kinds of jobs, and there's no inherent reason why someone who enjoys being a legislator would enjoy being a governor, or vice versa.

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Still...
It makes no sense for all these challengers to Gillibrand to keep cropping up and for Paterson to get a free pass.

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No free pass
I'm absolutely certain that there will be at least one challenger to Paterson if not more. I'm totally amazed that Cuomo is passing on it so far. I mean, why the hell? But Paterson is so inept and unpopular that most any State Assembly member, mayor, or dogcatcher without skeletons in the closet who has brains in their head is likely to beat him in a primary, and then as representative of the Democratic Party, has a great chance to win the general election. There have to be ambitious politicians who don't mind living in Albany (or already do) and would like those odds.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Ha, I was just thinking the same thing
That a dogcatcher could beat Paterson in a primary! But really, if all the major names pass, we could end up seeing a Democratic nominee whom all the political observers, outside of NY of course, have never even heard of. Perhaps a backbencher but 'rising star' in the state legislature.

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It's precedented
I hate to bring up George Pataki, but who ever heard of him before he ran against Mario Cuomo? I'd hope that whichever little-known State Assembly member would be a better Governor than Pataki, though. :-)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
But could Paterson win a primary for a dogcatcher position?
Even if the dogcatcher can beat Paterson in a gubernatorial primary?

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[ Parent ]
Believe me I don't think Cuomo is passing on anything
           I think he's just hoping and waiting that Paterson's numbers continue to stink. He dosen't want to directly challange Paterson, because he got in trouble once before when he ran against Carl Mccall in the 2002 Democratic primary. He will only run if Paterson steps down out of pressue from the party, if of couse his numbers do now improve. Which of course is likely to happen. Democrats would have to be crazy not to force him out if his numbers don't improve by say November or early next year.

[ Parent ]
I think I'm more like a legislator than a governor
negotiating, brokering, messing with social dynamics...

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[ Parent ]
Run, DavidNYC, Run!
If you run, you have to promise to keep Swing State Project going. As amazingly awesome as it would be to have you in the House, I think I'd go crazy without this place to visit 25 times a day.

Seriously, though, if she challenges Gillibrand, run! I don't know how easy it is to file in New York, but an open seat in a D+26 district will draw a minimum of 10 (D) candidates. If you're candidate #11 and you're a total flop, no one will remember, and all it will cost you is a few months and a little pride. But if you're candidate #11, you have real roots in the district, and you can pull in some netroots cash, there might be a real opening, even against the big names.

I say, go for it!

... And since no one else has applied for this position yet, can I be the campaign blogger? I mean, I'm assuming the candidate will do some of that, but you've got to have someone full-time!


Also
After looking at your district in Google Earth, I just wanted to say, you live in a pretty amazing place. Central Park and getting a tour of the UN were probably the two memories of my (only) trip to New York that have most stuck with me.

Who wouldn't want to represent a place that cool?


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On The Merits
I too don't like how the White House has muscled people out of a primary. I know that the party has other priorities and so doesn't really want an expensive primary. But the will of the people should come first; this is supposed to be a democracy, after all.

That being said, and while I think Gillibrand and Maloney are both hard workers, I've found Gillibrand to be more impressive. I might have gone with Israel over Gillibrand, but I'd take Gillibrand in this (still potential) contest.


Unseemly
I agree. There's something unseemly about the White House meddling with elections in a state that way. But Obama and Emanuel both won their stripes through rough but legal hardball, and they are surely playing in the big leagues and for bigger stakes than merely a World Series title, so I'll give them a little latitude here, despite the slight musty odor over in that corner.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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The party must stay unified. Everyone must think of the greater good.
The Democratic Party is like the Army of the Potomac. It fought on gallantly through years of defeats under flawed leaders, but now things are different. As Charles Francis Adams said of General Grant, "The Army now has a leader, and it has confidence in that leader." Then began Grant's relentless drive against teh Confederates that brought decisive victory in a little more than a year. Grant made costly mistakes at times, but he never deviated from his plan to achieve his objective - the utter destruction of the enemy army. This is why he ranks right alongside Lincoln in the lore of the War Against Slavery and Save the Union - Lincoln and Grant, Grant and Lincoln.

Now the Democratic Party finally has the leader it deserves. That leader has an objective - the utter destruction of the enemy party. He has a plan to achieve that objective and he is implementing that plan methodically and consistently. He has formed an outstanding staff and appointed dedicated subordinate commanders that are fully supportive of this plan, united together in this mission of assuring America's Party its rightful position in control of our nation for the foreseeable future, and determined to fulfill the prophet  Ferlinghetti's vision: "I am waiting...., I am waiting...., I am waiting...., for the American Eagle to straighten up and fly right."

We must support this plan at every turn. No one should challenge this movement that has begun so auspiciously and continues to develop such powerful momentum with every passing day. Maloney has no good reason to challenge the Administration's decision in this matter as Sestak has no good reason to challenge the Administration's decision in Pennsylvania. Who do these people think they are? Get out of the way! If you can't wield a knife, at least grab a leg.

Gillibrand is coming around as best she can to the right way of thinking. Give her a chance and trust the Administration's judgment, which has certainly been the best we've ever known since FDR.

The Administration nursed Spector along and achieved the mighty and brilliant coup of bringing him on board the progressive coalition. He's knows which side his bread is buttered on and won't be foolish enough to turn against us. Spector's defection makes the GOP look precisely the way they are, dreadful, out-of-touch, bitter and resentful.

Spector's move leaves the two Lady Senators from Maine now totally isolated in a party which has disavowed them. The GOP senate contingent now consists of the senators from Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and ........Maine???!?!! Their position is untenable. They will defect to our side or they will look like and be ineffectual fools. Think of what it must be like for them now in the GOP Caucus.

Once they come over to the side of the angels and Hutchison resigns to run for governor, there will be exactly one woman left in the GOP Senate lineup. All the rest will be white, male, and Christian, Southern and Mountain and Plains, rural and backward, devoid of distinction, blank and bland and clueless.

 


Senators from Maine
They have no electoral reason to defect to the Democratic Party, because both of them are terrifically popular in Maine. If one of them does defect, it's much more likely to be Olympia Snowe, but her motivation would not be any kind of inability to continue winning elections as a Republican. I can almost write the gist of her speech for her: "The Republican Party whose platform I was proud to run on for so many years is unrecognizable to me now. The party of great libertarian thinkers like Barry Goldwater has become the party of anti-intellectual extremists like Rush Limbaugh, who demand obedience to their narrow viewws. President Reagan's big tent has become a tiny, windowless room of people living in denial." Should I apply for that speechwriting job? ;-)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Be sure to bring enough opium for the whole class
"That leader has an objective - the utter destruction of the enemy party."

Um, no.


[ Parent ]
Competition Is Good, And Principles Count
"That leader has an objective - the utter destruction of the enemy party."

Well, if that's the objective, count me out. Competition is good: it keeps power in check. I think untrammeled license by either party would be a disaster. As much as I support the Democrats, I think some of their ideas should sometimes be reined in by reality. And it's good to have a healthy opposition to make sure that ideology doesn't take precedence over facts; we had enough of that for eight years, and we all saw how that turned out.

"We must support this plan at every turn. No one should challenge this movement that has begun so auspiciously and continues to develop such powerful momentum with every passing day."

There are principles at stake here. The most fundamental principle is that ultimate power should rest with the people, not with any one person or small group of people. Our representatives should be accountable to the voters. And this is perhaps the most non-partisan principle this nation has.

And it's been violated in New York, twice. First, there was the Senate appointment without a prompt vote, effectively allowing one person to determine who would be the unelected "incumbent" with a huge advantage to hold the seat for as long as she or he wanted since NY is increasingly reliably Democratic (and when was the last time a sitting Senator lost in a primary?). Then there was the White House interference that further demolished the idea that the voters of New York should be able to choose their candidates.

This idea that we must support our leader regardless of the costs to our basic principles sound more like what I've heard from the Bush administration for the previous eight years--that criticism is detrimental to our national objectives. No, criticism helps determine our national objectives which should be set by us, not by those who happen to be in elected positions in DC. To say that we must support our leader no matter what we may think individually has, I think, our political system precisely backwards.

"Gillibrand is coming around as best she can to the right way of thinking. Give her a chance..."

I'm perfectly happy to do so. But I don't see your opinion regarding her performance, which I may agree with, as a sufficient reason for denying the people of New York of the opportunity to choose their candidate. If she's doing a good job, then she should be able to prove it to the party's voters in a primary. If that contest diverts some resources from other contests (which Democrats may win anyway), I think that's a price we should be willing to pay for the most fundamental principle of our government. Our elected officials need to be precisely that: elected, not anointed.

(As an aside, we wouldn't have so much of a problem with the possible diversion of resources if we had public campaign financing. And I see that Gillibrand has recently become one of the few Senate cosponsors of the public campaign financing bill presently in Congress.)


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No electoral reason to switch....
I wonder just how popular they are now or will be in 2012? I think we have to take our eyes off the rear view mirror. Dole looked pretty popular last cycle and Gregg looked popular not so long ago and even Spector seemed solidly entrenched in the Republican ranks. When Snowe last ran, there were two Republican senators in NH, two in PA, two in VA, two in OH, two in NC, two in MO, one in CN, and one in MN with at least 4 or 5 of them moderate in their views, at least as Republicans go. When she runs again, they may well all be gone. That leaves the closest Republicans geographically to ME as Demint, Graham, Isakson, Chambliss, McConnell, and Lugar, assuming that dear colleague of theirs Bunning loses also. Only Lugar could be regarded as even sane of that bunch and will he be running again in 2012 when he'll be an octogenarian? That opens up an immense sea of Blue, Blue, water between ME and the next Red port of call in Oklahoma City or Charleston.

Allen lost fairly soundly to Collins last time, but she was the only red-state Republican incumbent to win re-election in that cycle as the other seven, count them seven, went down to well deserved defeat. Even Allen's successor in 2012 would need to swing only about one voter in ten of Collins's supporters over to be in range of victory. I wonder how sentimental the ME voters will be about Snowe by then as they should be quite clear about how much influence she is wielding in the GOP. Of course, she could always turn Independent instead, caucusing with no party, which might satisfy the ME voters enough to let her squeeze by. Remember that before 1936 they said, "As Maine goes, so goes the nation." After that election, they said, "As Maine goes, so goes Vermont." Maybe by 2012 they will be saying, "As the nation goes, so goes Maine."


The writing was on the wall for Specter
You forget that he barely escaped defeat in the 2004 primaries. What forced his hand this time wasn't the likelihood of a defeat in the general election but the hemorrhaging of moderate Republicans to the Democratic Party and the ranks of independents, such that he was virtually guaranteed to lose the primary of what can be thought of as a rump extremist Republican Party. Had he remained a Republican and somehow won the primary, he still would have been favored to win the general election.

Snowe comes up for reelection in 2012, but Collins was just reelected and doesn't come up again until 2014. And the difference between them and people like Elizabeth Dole is that they are actually moderate. While we can point to the precedent of liberal Republican Lincoln Chafee being voted out even though he was popular, at the time, the Republicans had majority control of the Senate and Bush was deeply unpopular in Rhode Island. While we can't predict what things will be like in 2012 or 2014, we do know there won't be a terrible Republican President in office in 2012 and have great reason to doubt whether a Senator from Maine will make the difference between Republican or Democratic control of the Senate (though again, we certainly don't know until we get there). Additionally, Rhode Island is significantly more liberal than Maine, and I find it hard to believe it won't continue to be for some time.

So while I certainly don't disagree with you completely and do get your points, I reiterate that if Snowe leaves the Republican Party, it is much more likely to be on principle than political necessity. As for Collins, do you really think she's liberal enough to become a Democrat? I was pretty surprised Specter became a Democrat, rather than perhaps an independent (though after reading a lot of analysis here, I understand it better), but Collins becoming a Democrat would be even more surprising. We shall see, but right now, it seems like a stretch.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
The Maine GOP
electorate does seem to be genuinely moderate. Im sure that also helps Collins and Snowe avoid any significant primary challenge.

[ Parent ]
Got to be more fun than campaigning here
I'm in a pretty sympathetic area to Labour, and even here we aren't exactly loved.

Do you need a Deputy Campaign Manager with responsibility for Unnecessarily Profane Outbursts? Because I was born for that motherfuckin' job.


Labour's fall
Isn't Labour eating itself because Brown's proved to be an unelected and really crappy PM?  What would it take to rebound?  Is there ever going to be a chance for Old Labour to take back the mantle?  Even though I'm from the other side of the pond, I miss hearing about and hearing guys like old Tony Benn and crew.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

[ Parent ]
Old Labour barely exists today
With a strong party system, pretty much the entire leadership is now definitely New Labour. Even Benn's son, Hilary.

Brown's been a terrible leader, but it's not just his fault. The problem is that he hasn't really moved on from Blair or made people forget all the reasons they grew to hate Labour.

We're going to lose the next election, and lose badly. I don't think 'Old' Labour will be back, but that wasn't as great as it's cracked up to be anyway. But I'm hoping we can get something approaching social democracy.

If you're interested, I've just started a blog on the subject:
http://whendowestartfighting.b...
I don't claim any expert knowledge or really much knowledge of anything but venting, but it might contextualise things for you slightly.


[ Parent ]
Past versus future
The ideological differences are nothing. I support Gillibrand and hope she crushes her.

I'll go one further: I'll support a DavidNYC primary against Maloney even if Maloney doesn't run.
Also, for what it's worth, I'll be in NYC for about a year, starting this fall.  Dunno what's next after that yet.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

Going to school?
Whatever the case, congrats -- you'll have a blast!

[ Parent ]
Yeah, school.
Wait, do you also live in the area?  What about Crisitunity?  I'd love to actually get to meet the three of y'all somewhere in NYC.

As well as any other SSPers who want to come.  Maybe we can have some sort of SSP convention or something.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


[ Parent ]
I'd love to go too!
And bring my boyfriend also. It would be my third time there, while it would be his first.

My blog
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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
And before people ask
No, I'm not organizing it.  I barely know my way around NYC.

(Same goes for a TV Tropes mini-convention that people are considering holding in NYC.)

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


[ Parent ]
Giff?
What's Gifford Miller up to these days? I know he used to have his eye on this House seat.

Forgotten
That's a name I completely forgot about! And if someone like me, who follows politics every day, had forgotten his name, you know he has no visibility or name recognition among the public and hasn't been doing much of a public nature. I'd have to check Wikipedia or something in order to find out what he's been doing since he had to give up his City Council Presidency.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Great news!
Maloney will be a great candidate and even better senator.  Won't have to worry about her reverting to any blue dogism after an election year conversion.

Yes
Maloney, who voted for the Iraq war resolution, is a paragon of liberal virtue. Give me a break! And we are not a "cesspool" here.

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