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Redistricting North Carolina

by: jeffmd

Fri May 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM EDT


(From the diaries - promoted by DavidNYC)

So you all know the drill by now - take some VTDs, consolidate them to reflect updated population stats, then piece them together. I couldn't think of a witty title today either. Oh well.

My goals for North Carolina were to:

  • strengthen Kissell (8th) and Shuler (11th)
  • draw Foxx (5th) out of her district
  • obey the VRA - that is, a majority-black district for Butterfield (1st) and a majority-minority district for Watt (12th)
  • maintain percentages for the other Democrats: Etheridge (2nd), Price (4th), McIntyre (7th), and Miller (13th)
  • get rid of that touch-point continuity in Guilford County between the 6th (Coble) and the 13th

Update: Many of you have correctly pointed out that NC may be gaining a 14th seat. There's a plan for that in the works too.

Here's the new map (yes, everything is contiguous!):

jeffmd :: Redistricting North Carolina
So here are two useful pieces of info that I had:

Here's average Democratic performance, by consolidated VTD, across 10 contests (US President, US Senate, Governor, Lieutenant Governor, State Treasurer, State Auditor, Commissioners of Agriculture, Insurance, and Labor, and State Superintendent of Education). Average performance in 2008 was 51% Democratic.

Here's also a map of the minority population of each VTD:

Stats here are: Population, Black Population, Latino Population, Average Democratic and Republican performance, Obama%, McCain%, the number of Democratic and Republican VTDs. SQL is getting angry at me for putting too much data in, so if you want the county breakdown, you'll have to look here.

So district-by-district:

01 708,845 354,742 22,994 66.73% 32.51% 62.03% 37.50% 260 43

One of the hardest districts I've had to draw. The problem is, with NC's population growth, each district has to contain more people. Additionally, the majority-minority areas of Northeastern NC have also lost population. Thus, the far reaching tentacles that hit so many counties, including Pitt (Greenville), Lenoir (Kinston), Wayne (Goldsboro), Wilson, Nash (Rocky Mount), Beaufort (Washington), and the list goes on. I like to think of this as the Petey Pablo district (listen to 'Raise Up' if you have any questions.) As you can see, we barely cross the threshold at 50.04% African-American. Average Democratic performance is 66.7% - Butterfield's not in any danger. Obama and Hagan underperformed at 62.0% and 64.5% respectively; Bev Perdue crusied here with 69.3%.

02 708,383 203,577 51,146 54.85% 43.96% 51.35% 47.92% 76 50

Bob Etheridge's district has never been that Democratic on a presidential level - Obama winning was a big surprise - but still quite Democratic on a local level. This district reflects that reality as well, but shifted somewhat further south. Etheridge's home in Lillington (Harnett County) isn't moved, and Harnett and Lee Counties remain in this district entirely. A large chunk of Republican leaning Johnston County is cut out in the north, replaced by Anson, Hoke, and Richmond counties along the SC border. Instead of anchoring Democratic performance in Raleigh, an updated 2nd finds its strength in Fayetteville.  Average Democratic performance is 54.9%. Obama got 51.4%, Hagan 54.9% and Perdue 55.0%.

03 709,086 103,074 34,867 41.25% 57.37% 36.01% 63.15% 33 173

This district contains 33 Democratic precincts, which in my mind is 33 too many. However, the 3rd has to accommodate all the parts that would dilute the minority-concentrated 1st district too much, and many of those urban precincts do lean left. This is most evident in Pitt County, where average Democratic performance was 49%. Given the polarized voting often evident in the South though, the rest of this district scores 41.3% overall. Obama severely underperformed, getting 36%.  Hagan and Perdue did better, getting 40% and 47% respectively. This has potential, but it simply isn't possible to satisfy the VRA and make this district Democratic at the same time.

07 708,733 176,916 29,459 54.74% 43.74% 49.71% 49.46% 128 69

Mike McIntyre's district is pretty much like Etheridge's, more Democratic at the local level than nationally. This district stays with Wilmington and Lumberton, along with a part of Fayetteville not in the 2nd. This district really doesn't change all that much, other than some traded precincts with the 3rd to make this more Democratic. Obama nudged out a win with 49.7%, 5 points below the average of 54.7%. Hagan and Perdue both did well here at 55.4% and 56.4% respectively.

04 709,502 168,493 37,358 59.17% 39.34% 60.65% 38.43% 99 59

David Price, we seem to forget, actually lost in the Republican tide of 1994 before reclaiming his district in 1996. The Triangle, of course, has changed quite a bit since then. This district remains centered on Durham and Chapel Hill (52% of the population), with some Republican-leaning sections of Wake County thrown in for another 22%. This district does expand eastward to grab some rural areas that couldn't fit into the first 3 districts, but Price need not be concerned. It's 59% Democratic, but this is one of those districts where Obama overperformed (60.7%). A 60.6% showing for Hagan is a testament to the Democratic nature of this district; Perdue did underperform at 57.1%.

13 708,616 153,464 41,474 57.07% 41.40% 59.86% 39.17% 83 32

Even in the most gerrymandered of states, you still have some examples of compactness. This is this map's token compact district, if you will. It consists of Wake County only, losing a good chunk of border territory along the Virginia border and an arm into Greensboro (and that touch-point!). It contains all of Raleigh and Cary, along with some suburbs. Another strong Democratic district; average performance is a bit low at 57%, but this is where Obama excelled with 59.9%, an improvement over Brad Miller's current district, actually.

05 708,588 142,544 30,781 53.80% 44.77% 52.85% 46.21% 130 85

This is the other half of Brad Miller's district, featuring the Northern border counties - Person, Caswell, Rockingham, and Stokes. That's not where the population is though, and to compensate, this district has a southern arm that hits parts of Orange, Alamance, Guilford, and Forsyth counties, including significant parts of Greensboro and Winston-Salem not drawn into Mel Watt's 12th. Virginia Foxx doesn't even live in this district, and I have a hard time seeing her winning this 53.8% Democratic district. Obama scored a respectable 52.9%, and Perdue 54.0%. Hagan, being from Greensboro, stomped here with 56.4%.

06 708,652 37,671 24,307 33.30% 65.21% 33.11% 65.90% 3 187

All the Republicans in central NC have to go somewhere, and this district is it. I think the packing of Republicans is especially evident, given that there are 3 Democratic precincts out of 190. With the Democrats in Alamance, Guilford, Union, and Mecklenburg drawn into other districts, all the Republicans are left here. At 33.3%, this is the most Republican district in NC on average. Obama scored 33.11%. Hagan did comparatively well at 37.3%, and Perdue absolutely bombed here, netting 29.2%. Sue Myrick may have less incentive to retire now.

12 709,069 306,416 48,281 65.15% 33.77% 65.35% 33.99% 122 58

Mel Watt's VRA district was significantly easier to draw than Butterfield's, partially because of the looser requirement. In essence, you have to have the majority-black precincts of Charlotte (Mecklenburg) and the Triad (Greensboro, High Point, and Winston-Salem) along with some connecting precincts. Much like the current 12th, I chose to run this district through Cabarrus, Rowan and Davidson Counties, roughly paralleling I-85. New is an arm into Statesville in Iredell County. In the interest of leaving more high-performing Democratic precincts for the 5th and 8th districts, this district also barely makes the cut at 50.02% minority. Watt's still in no danger though, at 65.2% Democratic, 65.4% Obama, 66.7% Hagan, and 61.9% Perdue.

08 708,785 163,472 55,333 57.16% 41.60% 58.96% 40.24% 99 58

Larry Kissell gets a significant boost out of this district, though it becomes much more Charlotte-centric. His home in Montgomery County remains, although with a connecting strip through Stanly and Union counties into Mecklenburg. 72.6% of this district is now in Mecklenburg County, which is nice for Kissell since this district's part of Charlotte was on average 63.3% Democratic (Obama did better at 66.3%). Overall, this makes for a 57.2% Democratic district; Obama did better at 59.0% and Hagan better still at 59.7%. Even Bev Perdue, who underperformed heavily in Charlotte (where Pat McCrory is Mayor) won, eking out a 400-vote win. This, I think, is a testament to the Democratic nature of this district, which should be safe for Kissell.

09 708,310 32,978 22,045 35.74% 62.55% 32.14% 66.53% 14 250

This district sets the stage for a Foxx-Coble showdown. I know the core of Coble's district is actually in the new 6th, but Sue Myrick lives in the Mecklenburg part. Coble also lives in the Guilford part of this district. Funny how that works. (Foxx lives in the Avery County section.) More of this district is Foxx's, but Coble's also actually sane. I'll leave you to decide how a primary between the two works out. The college town of Boone (Appalachian State) is removed, replaced by an arm into the Republican sections of Greensboro and Alamance County. Again, packing Republicans is at work here, with 14 out of 264 precincts being Democratic for an average of 35.8%. Obama got 32.1% (this is Appalachia, after all); Hagan 38.2%, and Perdue 36.9%.

10 708,675 50,090 26,779 37.10% 61.41% 35.10% 63.89% 15 162

Patrick McHenry's district doesn't change too much - he and Heath Shuler trade some precincts in the South to make Shuler's district more Democratic by removing the vast majority of Republican Henderson County. I had originally wanted to draw a good district for 2008 candidate Daniel Johnson, but another Democratic district in Western NC was simply unrealistic. 15 out of 177 precincts are Democratic, leaving it at 37.1% Democratic, 35.1% Obama, 39.6% Hagan, and 33.0% Perdue.

11 708,808 62,133 17,174 52.09% 46.21% 48.89% 49.78% 120 127

I really tried to get Heath Shuler a district that Obama won, but it simply wasn't possible without the district hitting Charlotte. Thus, we're left with an Asheville-centered district that takes all of WNC to the west, and then sprouts two arms. One arm reaches northeast to grab Boone, and the other goes sawtooth along the SC border to get Forest City (Rutherford County), Shelby (Columbus), and finally, Gastonia (Gaston). This makes a 52.1% Democratic district, with Hagan and Perdue overperforming at 52.7% and 52.4% each. Obama came closer, falling 3,000 votes or 0.9% short, at 48.9%.

And there you have it, a 9-4 map of North Carolina. Without the VRA, it would be possible to squeeze at least one more Democrat out, but you can't have everything. Questions, comments, and witty remarks about what these districts actually look like welcome.

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I always love these, thanks
It took me a minute to figure out what you did with Brad Miller's district.

BTW, isn't NC "on the bubble" for a 14th district?  


Oh, and one question
Do you have the Bush-Kerry performance for these districts? I have a feeling we'd lose more than a few in a bad year.

[ Parent ]
Not as worried
This map isn't too aggressive a gerrymander, most of our marginal seats are improved, only the most heavily Dem districts see any dilution.  If the entire NC Democratic caucus were to retire, the only seat I'd worry about us holding is that of Schuler's, and this map helps us there in fact.  The other close districts (McIntyre's and Etheridge's) are pretty blue at the local level.

We've been so used to North Carolina being an unobtainable prize at the federal level that we've forgotten just how Democratic it is on a local level, not to the extent of West Virginia or Arkansas, but still pretty favorable to us.


[ Parent ]
Fair enough
It does seem on the precipice of becoming a Republican dead zone (Democratic Florida?)

[ Parent ]
Because it was so Democratic
at the local level, North Carolina was able to pass some very nice registration and early voting laws, which in 2008 allowed us to carry the state at the federal level.

I think Burr is toast even against a second-tier Democrat.


[ Parent ]
I thought that North Carolina was supposed to pick up a seat at the census
Has the bad economy killed the growth rate so much that it won't get the extra seat?

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It probably has
I don't think NC or VA will get another seat.  SC, OTOH, probably will.

[ Parent ]
It will be close, but I think NC will not get another seat
The economy has really hurt the Charlotte area because banking is a vital cog to that area.  Also, many companies in the Research Triangle Park area (RTP, or also known as the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area) have laid employees off.  We used to attract a lot of people to both areas because of high-paying jobs, but because NC has the 4th or 5th highest unemployment rate, our economy has really suffered.


40, male, Democrat, NC-04

[ Parent ]
I must admit that I like
your maps more than Nathaniel's (who has done a very nice job of drawing realistic maps) primarily because you place partisan gerrymandering as a priority rather than cleaner looking maps.

I'd like to see some real aggressive maps out of Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, all states that we have a decent chance of total control in 2012.

I think we can get Minnesota (7-0 or 7-1), Wisconsin (7-1), Illinois (14-4 or 15-3), and Michigan (12-2).


Wow
Sounds fantastic in theory, but have Democrats ever been that ruthlessly partisan? I'd put money on Dems intentionally capping the D-R split at 60/40 even if the only Republican left in the chamber is the janitor.  

[ Parent ]
It's about time we start
the Repubs are on the ropes.  Let's put them away.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of filthy creatures.

[ Parent ]
Agreed.
And to think I was once a Republican. I'm glad I escaped before it was too late.

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All of the fight and willpower
in the Democratic party rests here, on the internet. The men and women representing us, on the other hand, become lobotomy patients once the slightest confrontation arises.  

Hell, I bet we hear Democratic congressmen bitching and moaning if too many of their dearly beloved GOP colleagues become endangered. Somebody somewhere might be slightly offended, don't you know.  


[ Parent ]
Yes
Democrats controlled very few maps in 2002.  That's the only reason we didn't see very much pro-Dem gerrymandering.  Maryland was the only extremely successful one of 2002 that comes to mind.

2012 is going to be a whole new story.  Democrats are going to have at minimum about a half dozen good sized states to remap.


[ Parent ]
California, here we come!


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Hopefully better than 2002
A 60/40 split in a 53-54% Democratic state (at the time) is rather underwhelming.  

[ Parent ]
That's true.
But we went into the 2002 redistricting with several vulnerable incumbents, most of them freshmen; a not-so-popular governor; and the Gary Condit scandal, even if Condit was a total DINO. Now that we have a solid hold elections-wise, we probably will stretch our numbers out a bit more in 2012.

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[ Parent ]
Can I just say that...
jeffmd's map here is fantastic! His redistricting tools are higher-tech than mine and so his lines are more precise...though I haven't tried North Carolina yet. Knowing the Dems should get their chance to map NC again, something this gerrymandered seems perfectly probable.  

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[ Parent ]
Well I like your maps too
they are quite realistic in what will likely happen with redistricting (unfortunately).
But my main complaint with them is that you are not as aggressive (when the Dems are in charge) in exchange for  district compactness.  

I dunno, my philosophy regarding politics is like Tom Delay, the goal is to obliterate the other side.  I'd be really aggressive in states that we are likely to control (MN, WI, MI, IL, CA) and I would even put some Dem incumbent seats at risk in the long run to eliminate Repubs in 2012.


[ Parent ]
I live in Greensboro
and would like to keep Miller as my rep.

Where do you find the vote by consolidated VTD?


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

I consolidate them myself.
NC is nice enough to have a statewide precinct file. Most VTDs haven't changed since 2000, which is the last time we have population data for them.

When they have changed, we then aggregate enough precincts together to match up with the boundaries of several VTDs consolidated. That's actually what takes me the longest, getting the data in the right form.


[ Parent ]
All states should be required
to make this kind of information available ASAP after an election.  

[ Parent ]
can give you me a
quick access link to the file? any instructions on how to find these precincts in other states? Cause I'd truly like to work on a map of New York using these techniques.

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[ Parent ]
and how did you draw your
map itself, it's a lot neater and more professional than open office art pad.

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[ Parent ]
I use MapWindow GIS.
and shapefiles from the US Census Bureau's TIGER/LINE database (http://www2.census.gov/cgi-bin/shapefiles/national-files).

The NC statewide precinct file is located here: ftp://www.app.sboe.state.nc.us/enrs/

New York doesn't have such a file publicly available, making NY significantly harder to re-map.


[ Parent ]
do you have any suggestions for finding
this for other states?

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[ Parent ]
Any idea what is the best open source
GIS software for Macs?

[ Parent ]
Wikipedia has a list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

That's as far as my expertise goes. I pretty much went down this list until I found one that I liked.

As to ArkDem's question, it really depends by state, you just have to look. Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, and Virginia are some states that come to mind as having all their precinct data in one place. Other states are touch and go, including (sadly), Florida, New York, and Texas.


[ Parent ]
I found data for California.
http://www.fairvote2020.org/20...

The bad news is, it's from 2004 and was only released 3 years after the election. So the 2008 data probably won't be available until 2011 at the earliest.

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[ Parent ]
Have you tried emailing
The FairVote people?

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All of Cary is in NC-13?
I thought it was all in NC-04. That's interesting.  

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Just in the re-map
Most, if not all, now is in the 4th.  So's Chapel Hill, Durham, and Carrboro.

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ah


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Uh Uh
Don't you DARE take me out of Miller's district and give me back to Coble!  :-)  I was SO thrilled when the 13th was created and I was moved to a district where a Democrat at least had a chance.  Coble was unopposed the first two elections I was in NC, as were both my Republican state senator and state representative.  Fortunately I was moved into Miller's and Hagen's districts.  My state representative, who is rated as one of the most conservative legislators in Raleigh, still runs unopposed every two years, but at least I have two of three Democratic representatives now (plus a brand new local U.S. Senator!).

6th and 13th
Could someone explain to me how the old map was legal?

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Touch-point contiguity (where a district connects at a single point) is legal. nt


[ Parent ]
that's pretty crazy
you could easily make the argument that one of the districts is not contiguous. I could understand if say, the 6th was like that and in between 2 other districts, but the fact that they both jump over each other doesn't look legal. I assume something like this has already been tried in court, otherwise I'd think the Republicans would've challenged it.

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[ Parent ]
I agree...
I'm not a huge fan of touch-point continuity, and really, I think it's the easy way out of a gerrymandering problem.

To get rid of the current NC touch point, we could easily shift the precincts in NC-06 west of the touchpoint into NC-05, move the excess population into NC-10, which moves the excess population into NC-09. Since all 3 of these are designed to be Republican, it doesn't really matter. The 8th can then take in more Democratic parts of Mecklenburg in exchange for the 6th taking parts of Republican-leaning Cabarrus. Hindsight's 20-20 of course.

Mathematically, a point continuity is still continuity, so I do think it's valid; I just don't like using it.


[ Parent ]
I love touch-point contiguity
In order to avoid disappearing a Democrat, New York will probably have to use it next cycle to pair Lee and McHugh.

And contiguity requirements disproportionately hurt Democrats, for reasons I'm sure you're familiar with. (In brief, our voters live close to one another, and theirs are spread out).


[ Parent ]
I support any kind of
enhanced redistricting techniques to get rid of as many Repubs as possible.

[ Parent ]
The NY State Senate
Currently has some pretty egregious Gerrymanders, including at least one district that is not contiguous at all. ( http://www.nysenate.gov/distri... ).  So if the Democrat have any balls, they'll make a map that is at least as horrible, now that they're in control.


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[ Parent ]
Holy shit that's bad.


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Wow
This is really incredible work. I wonder if the Dems in the legislature will actually adopt such an ambitious map. I think they probably wouldn't because of the precedent that it would set for one party punishing the other in redistricting, something that has not really happened in North Carolina so far. Just out of curiosity, how many county fragments were there in your plan?

This is really amazing though!


Correct me if I'm wrong
But I believe democrats in North Carolina actually did try an ambitious map in 2002.  I think it was watered down only because the map violated some law.

[ Parent ]
I think you are right
that the GOP sued to force a re-drawing of the 2002 maps becuase too many counties were split.  

I know this was done at the State House / Senate level, where a recent decision in a lawsuit will force a minor redistricting of legislative seats (only 2 or 3 counties involved) before the 2010 election.


[ Parent ]
161 Counties+County Fragments
I think one good measure of gerrymandering is the number of excess county/fragments, that is the number of county/fragments above what is minimally necessary.

161
- 100 (Counties in NC)
- 2 (Mecklenburg and Wake MUST be split, as each has greater than 708,000 people but less than 1.4 million)
- 10 (Population Equality purposes for the remaining 11 districts)
= 49.

This map is pretty bad. For reference, here's the map with county boundaries overlaid:

For example, another state we think of as gerrymandered - like PA's current map - has only 29 excess fragments. (114 fragments - 67 counties - 2 (Philly) - 1 (Alleghany) - 1 (MontCo) - 14 population equality).


[ Parent ]
I think it's often the case that splitting counties
preserves "communities of interest" or serves other laudable purposes.

I think the "eww that map looks bad" reaction just plays into the hands of Republicans, who love "compact" maps that pack Democratic votes.  


[ Parent ]
I fully agree
I get really irritated by the "good government" types on our side who unilaterally want "fair districts" in blue states.


[ Parent ]
Yep
And some of the independent drawn maps look just as bad as partisan-drawn maps.  See Arizona.

[ Parent ]
Well as I mentioned above
I strongly support the use of enhanced redistricting techniques such as touch point contiguity to pack Repubs.

[ Parent ]
Question?
Did you put Boone in Shuler's district?

NICE!

That would be a great fit. Watauga is a swing county with a kick-ASS Democratic organization. It strikes me as the model of the 50-state strategy at the county level.  


Answer...
...you already gave the answer and I just saw it. THANKS!

[ Parent ]
Terrific once again
What's particularly interesting is that in 2008, we had three contested, close statewide races - Pres, Sen & Gov. I like seeing the differences between Obama, Hagan and Perdue, because they all won in somewhat different ways, it seems.

...
Would there be any way to move the entire southern part of Iredell County into the 12th?  That would be a dream come true, from Patrick McHenry to Mel Watt.....sigh.....

NC-08
This district was held by Bill Hefner for 24 years (1975-1998).  A populist Democrat like Kissell can maintain this district as it is currently drawn.  I'm originally from this district (I'm originally from Stanly County), and the district is culturally conservative in some area, and more progressive in other areas.

Bob Etheridge's district is the one I really would like to see strengthened.  If Bob would retire (he's 68, I think), we would have a major battle on our hands.  Etheridge is the type of Democrat that can keep this district safe for many years, but this district (where my father is originally from) is strongly anti-government, which is why it goes to the Republicans for President every 4 years.  I would be tempted to re-draw Price's district to help out NC-02.  

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I don't like what you did with the 8th
It would be better to keep the Waxhaw/Weddington/Marvin area out of Larry Kissell's district. That's a very large number of Republicans that you would be adding there. Keep them with Sue Myrick.

Must keep Waxhaw/Weddington/Marvin out
I live a few minutes from that area.  It's huge Rep. country.  It was hard enough to win Union County for Larry this past cycle and the precincts in the 8th currently hold the heaviest Dem contingency in the county.

 


[ Parent ]
TL;DR
two questions:

1. What's VTD?
2. Is the current map drawn to favor D, R, incumbents, or what?

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D-max
It looks like a Democratic maximum map that's constrained by the VRA, so we can't muck too much with Coble or Myrick.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

[ Parent ]
What does drawing Virginia Foxx out of her district accomplish?
You don't have to live in a congressional district to run in that congressional district, so if the number of districts remains the same you aren't really setting up primary battles between any existing reps.   All you're really doing is renaming their districts.  I admit some North Carolina voters are stupid, but we know when our district has been renamed.  

Myrick, Foxx and Coble might have a bit of a turf tiff, but Myrick can just take the 6th and Coble the 5th and Virginia Foxx the 9th.  Each will have enough voters familiar with them to retain some benefits of incumbency and all they have to do is take part in educating their voters on the change in district number.

Also, you took rural Democrats away from Kissell and gave him urban Democrats.  Kiss of death.  The 8th goes back to a Republican because Mecklenburg GOTV sucks and rural Dems will go back to voting Republican for federal offices.  



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