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PA-Sen: All Three Dems Lead Toomey

by: James L.

Thu May 07, 2009 at 8:02 PM EDT


Research 2000 for Daily Kos (5/4-6, likely voters).

Democratic and Republican primary match-ups:

Pat Toomey (R): 41
Tom Ridge (R): 33

Arlen Specter (D-inc)
: 56
Joe Sestak (D): 11

Arlen Specter (D): 60
Joe Torsella (D): 5
(MoE: ±5%)

And here we have a taste of perhaps the reason why ex-Gov. Tom Ridge decided to dispense with the two-bit freak theater that a modern Republican primary campaign against arch-wingnut Pat Toomey would represent. After a long and successful career in politics, why top it off with the ignominy of a possible primary loss to the likes of Toomey? (We should note, though, that an internal R poll had Ridge crushing Toomsbury by nearly 40 points.)

In the Democratic primary, Specter is in pretty decent shape on the surface, but some potential vulnerabilities are quite apparent, according to R2K; only 37% of Democratic voters will definitely vote for Specter in the primary (vs. 16% who say they'll definitely vote for someone else), and another 23% say they'll consider choosing a different candidate. (A whopping 24% are undecided on that question, so presumably that vote is up for grabs, too.) Sestak and (especially) Torsella are mostly unknown to the primary electorate right now, so their numbers against Specter would have a lot of room for growth at the end of a big primary fight.

And now for the general election numbers:

Arlen Specter (D-inc): 55
Pat Toomey (R): 31

Joe Sestak (D): 37
Pat Toomey (R): 32

Joe Torsella (D): 35
Pat Toomey (R): 33
(MoE: ±5%)

Specter crushes Toomey like an empty can of PBR, but the ex-Club For Growth Prez would start off relatively close against either Sestak or Torsella. In terms of raw margins, though, this is very likely Toomey's high-water mark. By the time the DSCC is done toasting his supply-sided hide, it won't be close.  

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Of course, the DSCC would rather not spend
that money at the end of the day.

I would say that Specter is in OK shape. But he's getting old, and the last week suggests to me that he isn't 100% with it. He's beatable in the primary IMO.


The most telling
The most telling thing is Joe Torsella beating Toomey (though within the margin of error), even though I bet he's even less known than Toomey is. Chances are, any Democrat will beat Toomey.  

[ Parent ]
I would put money on that


[ Parent ]
What's telling
is that Toomey is only 2 points higher against Torsella than he is against Specter, so, yes, any Democrat will be Toomey...and big too.  

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[ Parent ]
Per the poll
Toomey has a 33-44 favorable-unfavorable result, with 23 no opinion.

Torsella has a 11-5 favorable unfavorable result, with 84 no opinion.

So, about 5 times as many Pennsylvanians have an opinion of Toomey as do Torsella.

Interestingly, Torsella beats Toomey 35-33 in the head-to-head match up.  That means that basically everyone who has a favorable opinion of Toomey chooses him.  Torsella picks up about 24 points from people who have no opinion of him and select him for no possible reason other than they dislike Toomey and/or Torsella is identified as a Democrat in the question.


[ Parent ]
That means that Toomey's favorability number is both strong and his ceiling.
and it's about 35%.

If he were the R nominee, I'd estimate he'd get 35-45%.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


[ Parent ]
All the old fart has to do
Is get behind EFCA and a public health plan and he's set for re-election.  The guy clearly has no core beliefs other than getting elected.  Why he's acting so erratically is beyond me.

Polling Bias
POS shows Ridge beating Toomey among likely Republican primary voters 60-23.

DKos/R2000 shows Tommey beating Ridge among likely Republican primary voters 41-33.

That's 45 point swing (Ridge+37 to Ridge-8) between two polls taken at the same time.  Way to big to be pure chance or even some slight bias.  One of these polls was intentionally rigged to get a desired result.  


Gee which one would that be?


[ Parent ]
That would be
Piece
Of
Shit

[ Parent ]
Exactly
That poll was atrocious by even Piece of Shit's standards.

[ Parent ]
How so?
It over-represented conservatives slightly and didn't do a regional breakdown, but otherwise I didn't see any huge flaws in it.

I'd certainly trust it less, just because of POS' horrible record, but it didn't look like a push-poll, just a mildly sloppy one.


[ Parent ]
Just because a poll's crosstabs look ok
Does not mean the poll is a valid one.  All their polls are push polls.  Honestly I could go to PA and walk the streets polling people and come up with a better sample than their garbage polls.

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Heck, any one of us can run and beat Toomey (joke)
Any of you from Pennsylvania and want to give it a shot? (joke) ;)  

andgarden for Senate!


22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
heh
It would interfere with my classes, and anyway I'm not old enough!  

[ Parent ]
With your withdrawal I nominate IHateBush
The title has the pitch built into it. Vote for "IHateBush" cause he Hates Bush.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

[ Parent ]
Heh
I don't think Pennsylvania is quite ready for a Stalinist Senator yet.

[ Parent ]
Anti-wingnut and authoritarian I am
Stalinist I am not.

[ Parent ]
Fine
We shall coin your ideology as "IHateBushism."

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What I'd really like to know
How was a rightwing loon like Toomey able to get (re)elected three times in a D+2 district like PA-15?

The black vote's up for grabs
It's a subgroup, so the usual caveats about margins of error apply, but Specter doesn't seem to have been embraced by the black community yet (despite the claims that he'd get their votes and had done so for decades that I'm sure we've all heard). His support is noticeably lower and the undecideds are much higher.

This suggests to me that Sestak (or Torsella if Sestak stays out) needs to make major outreach early amongst this demographic. He needs to build a base of support amongst the black community sufficient that it would be counter-productive for Obama to come and stump in Philadelphia.

And he needs to work on endorsements from congressmen, mayors and ward leaders in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. He might not get Brady or Doyle (both far too machine) but it would be worth trying to get Fattah's support.


Blacks are not voting for
a Club for Growth dumbshit like Toomey.

[ Parent ]
No
I think he means for the primary, that Sestak or Torsella need to consolidate African American support if they want to beat Specter.

[ Parent ]
PA
Now I'd like to see some GOP Primary polling with...

Toomey
Gerlach
Lusik

Toomey
Dent
Lusik


29/D/Male/NY-01


Specter raising money for cancer research... or so he wants you to think
This is just disgusting.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

'Specter For The Cure' Cancer Website, Really Political Fundraising Tool
By Brian Beutler - May 8, 2009, 9:12AM
Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA)--two time survivor of Hodgkins disease--is no stranger to cancer, cancer awareness, and cancer research funding. But he's using his hard earned credibility as a national spokesperson on the issue to fight the disease in a roundabout way.

He's touting--and raising money from--a website called specterforthecure.com, which he describes as "a bold new initiative to reform our government's medical research efforts, cut red tape and unstrangle the hope for accelerated cures."

But the money he's raising isn't funding research grants, or advocacy, or treatment for patients who can't afford it. It's funding the Senate re-election campaign of one Arlen Specter.




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