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PA-Sen: Toomey Overwhelming Specter

by: Crisitunity

Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM EDT


Rasmussen (4/21, likely voters, no trendlines):

Arlen Specter (R-inc): 30
Pat Toomey (R): 51
(MoE: 4.5%)

Wow... I (and everyone else in the blogosphere) knew that Arlen Specter was facing serious trouble in his primary re-match against Pat Toomey, given that he barely won in 2004 and since then Pennsylvania has been steadily bluening, has closed primaries, and a small but crucial chunk of the state's GOP moderates re-registered in 2008 to participate in the hot Democratic presidential primary. But this poll is pretty staggering, especially when you also see that while Specter is universally-known among the all-Republican sample and has a favorable/unfavorable of 42/55, Toomey clocks in at 66/19. Specter is somewhere well past toast; he's looking more like that carbonized crud that collects at the bottom of the toaster.

I note one problem with this poll: it doesn't include Peg Luksik, who has very little money but has the pro-life credentials and track record (including 44% in the 1990 GOP gubernatorial primary against a pro-choice candidate). Luksik has the potential to siphon off religious right voters from Toomey, who's running as more of a free-market fundamentalist and wasn't a values hardliner when he was in the House. But Luksik has a bit of "has-been" about her, having peaked long ago, and with much of the sound and fury on the GOP side coming on economic issues right now (in this same sample, Rasmussen finds 79/12 favorability for the teabaggers' movement, and 82% agreement on the statement that the federal government has "too much money and power"), she's not poised to get much traction this time. With Toomey already grabbing 51% of the vote, it doesn't seem to matter much what Luksik does.

So, how will these numbers shape the race to come? Will they prompt Specter to rethink his firm stance on running as a Republican? Does he become an independent (or join Connecticut for Lieberman... which would then need a new name, like Connecticut and Pennsylvania for Lieberman and Specter, CaPfLaS for short...)? The problem with that is, he would need to be running against an Alan Schlesinger-type to be able to win the general by grabbing the center and center-right, and Toomey is much more formidable than that. And, on the Dem side, does Specter's imminent peril start prompting top-tier Democrats (Joe Sestak or maybe Allyson Schwartz) to jump in, despite Joe Torsella's big fundraising headstart? Or does at some point, if the polls get bad enough, Specter just say "f*@k it" and walk away from re-election, leaving the GOP to wallow in its own self-defeating stupidity? (Speculation already underway in omarka's diary.)

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The only reasonable chance of Specter regaining the base at this point (that I can think of)
is if the NRSC helps him with a massive campaign to convince people that Specter is the best they can get out of the now-blue state Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

Is "bluening" even a word?
Haha

I'd have used "blueing"
though I guess "bluening" sounds vaguely like "blooming".

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I would even go so far as to drop the e
"Bluing." Like they do with "judgment."  Plus, it looks funner, like boing.  Or maybe bling.

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I disagree; I dislike "judgment"
I prefer "judgement" because the "silent" e indicates a soft g sound.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Specter will never walk away
They'll have to drag him out kicking and screaming.

I think the poll exaggerates Toomey's lead a bit, but I do expect him to win.  I think it's better than 50-50 that Specter runs as an independent.


I think PA has a sore loser law
so if Snarlin' Arlen loses the primary, he won't be able to run as an independent. CT should have followed PA's lead haha

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Law
I know.  I'm saying that I think he'll bail on the primary and announce that he's running as an independent.  Probably by the end of the year.

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Specter won't win as an independent
with labor support.  Pennsylvania is a party machine state, and it is unlikely that Specter gets more than 20-25% as an independent.  If he had labor support, it would be a different story.

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Winning
I didn't say he'd win.  But he'd probably rather gamble on catching lightinig in the general than running in a primary he's likely to lose.  The Dems have been known to put up some clunkers in statewide races in the past.  If that happens, he'll still have money even without labor support, and could pull it out.

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Indeed
If I were Specter, that's exactly what I'd do.  

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If gambling on catching lightning is his campaign strategy,
Specter might as well stay in the R primary, and gamble for a Toomey "Macaca" moment caught on video. And go ultra-negative on Toomey with every penny he has in his campaign.

With his $6,736,000 on hand right now (the most of any pol listed in yesterday's Senate 1Q 2009 Fundraising Roundup ) plus future fundraising, plus whatever the NRSC feels they can toss in, that all equals a lot of possible mudslinging .

Anyway, what a doofus. Specter should've switched to Dem a few months ago when he had the chance (after all, he was a Dem at the start of his political career). He'll get what he deserves.


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What's Specter got to use against Toomey?
He can't bash Toomey for being too extremist because the primary voters clearly want the most batshit crazy of the two.  Specter can move way right the next year, but it won't cover up his long moderate record.  

Ya, he's got a ton of cash, but you have to have a strategy for bringing down your opponent's favorables.  What does Specter have to attack the guy on?


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Same thing he did in 2004
Calling Toomey unqualified and a hypocrite.  Toomey smeared his first Dem opponent for Congress for being anti-choice (yes you read that right), and claimed that he was the only real pro-choice candidate in the race in 1998.  And suddenly he reappeared as a hard-core anti-choice zealot in 2003.

Both Specter and Toomey are scumbags.  So I went with the guy who would get us a Democrat.  


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Based on what you say, Toomey
seems to be more of a scumbag than Specter.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Probably
But Specter loves to lie about his own record as well.  Both are class A douchebags.

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If That Happens
Pennsylvania 2010 will become Connecticut 2006...for the Republicans! Yes!

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Agree
Assuming Specter remains uncompetitive in the R primary, then his best choice is to drop out and announce that he'll run as an independent.  That would really scramble the field and it's difficult to know who the center-left, center, and center-right voters would go for.  I could see Specter winning, Toomey winning, or the D winning if this happens.

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This is where Specter abandoning labor
really hurts him.  I think Specter could have won as an independent if he has union support.

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i'm not sure that torsella's 600G is that big of a lead
given that sestak and schwartz both have healthy house accounts.  but it's an interesting question of how an "independent" Arlen plays.  if he's more popular among dems than GOPers, he might give the election to Toomey.

Re-Registering?
How likely is it that Specter can run a successful re-registration campaign and get those moderates back in the party? Is he known for having that good of campaign machinery? Seems to me if Obama and Clinton could pull all those voters in just a few months, he could do it in the year-and-a-half (or so) he has left, but it all depends on how good an operation he runs.

I Doubt It
Inertia is a big force to overcome when it comes to changing party registrations.  The Obama-Clinton heavyweight primary battle is certain to have generated vastly more media and campaign spending than a R senatorial primary.  Also, lots of those Rs who switched over had probably already evolved toward being a D by the time of the switch.  No reason to switch back now unless you are truly an R at heart and had just switched to vote in the Obama-Clinton election.

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Specter's operation
is nowhere near as strong as Obama or Clinton's were.

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this is a similar challenge to Hutchison in TX
Both are vastly more popular than their GOP primary opponents to moderates of both parties and independents but have the almost impossible challenge of energizing this group of non-regulars to participate in a primary and/or to register in the first place.

the only way they do it, it seems to take a position on an issue that antagonizes the "gop regulars" even more.  it's a fascinating political problem.


What are the numbers like for TX-Gov?


party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I would have greatly prefered a closer poll
Specter down by 6 points at this would be nice.  Keep him in the GOP primary, at the very leastm make him initially announce for the GOP primary, and if he were to bail after that (but before the primary) he'd look like a loser/scaredy cat/sissy.

Now if he runs as an Independent, we might get Toomey, worst of all.

On the other hand, if Specter just ignores the polls, cool, easy pickup.



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