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CO-Sen: Bennet Still a Big Question Mark

by: Crisitunity

Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM EDT


PPP (pdf) (4/17-19, registered voters):

Michael Bennet (D-inc): 42
Bob Beauprez (R): 43

Michael Bennet (D-inc): 39
Ryan Frazier (R): 35

Michael Bennet (D-inc): 40
Ken Buck (R): 36

Michael Bennet (D-inc): 41
Josh Penry (R): 34
(MoE: ±3%)

This is the second time PPP has examined the fortunes of Colorado's appointed senator Michael Bennet. Bennet's approvals are down in net negative territory, at 34/41 (with a large 25% not sure). PPP also polled Bennet in January, and Bennet isn't making much headway at winning friends and influencing people: his favorable/unfavorable was 33/21 then, so most people who've formed an opinion since then have formed a negative opinion. It'll be interesting to see whether the charisma-challenged Bennet can improve his standing, and what happens if he doesn't. The real race to watch (and one I hope PPP polls next time) is a possible Democratic primary: former state house speaker Andrew Romanoff, who wanted the appointment and has weighed a challenge, has to be encouraged by these numbers to start testing the waters.

PPP also tried out some head-to-heads. There aren't any trendlines from the previous poll, though, as none of the four guys PPP polled in January have taken any steps to run, and a new, lesser set of contenders has taken their place: Aurora city councilor Ryan Frazier is officially in, while Weld County DA Ken Buck is likely to enter and ex-Rep. Bob Beauprez has at least made some noises. (State senate minority leader Josh Penry is more associated with the governor's race, but it's possible he may jump over to senate if he wants to avoid an awkward primary clash with his former boss, ex-Rep. Scott McInnis.) Beauprez can't really be seen as lesser, I suppose, considering he's just as well-known as Bennet, if just as little-liked; his favorability is 33-43. At any rate, Bennet is in a dead heat with the somewhat-well-known Beauprez (who lost the 2006 governor's race), while the others seem to operate as "generic R" and lose to Bennet by a not-so-comfortable margin. (Discussion underway in conspiracy's diary.)

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I do not like those numbers.
And I do not like the way Bennet has acted in the Senate so far. I'd like to see the potential primary race polled.

How exactly?
I don't recall anything other than EFCA. Do tell.

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My most important issue right now is the EFCA.
We need every vote on that issue. Not supporting it in a blue state is unacceptable. Refusing to take a stance is just pathetic.

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Not really
It is DOA for the moment no matter what Bennet does though I agree sitting on the fence is rather cowardly.

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Maybe this session.
But next we'll have a good chance; as long as we don't get more Bennets, that is.

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Unions aren't big in Colorado
Labor is a major reason why Democrats lost Colorado for so long, so I can sorta understand his fence-sitting on EFCA.


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An initiative to make Colorado a "right-to-work" state
failed 44-56. IIRC that was the first time an initiative like that had failed anywhere in a long time. It is safe to take a pro-labor stance in Colorado (as Mark Udall has).  

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Udall was on the fence for a while though
In fact he seemed to only come out for it after it was seen as being dead on arrival.

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His campaign website has a statement supporting it
from March of 2007. Maybe he was lukewarm briefly, but I'm confident he'll vote for the bill next Congress lest he look like a gigantic hypocrite.

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That didn't seem to be a problem for Blanche Lincoln
Supporting EFCA during the 110th congress (when it had absolutely no chance of passing) but came out against it when there was a sliver of a chance of it going through. I get the sneaking suspicion that if EFCA is unpopular in Colorado, Udall will have no qualms about being a hypocrite on the issue either.

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Well the reason I brought Udall up in the first place
is to make the point that one can easily support EFCA in Colorado and still get elected. Bennet has absolutely no excuse.

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Udall, despite having a lot of things in his favor, didn't do all *that* well in 2008
I'm not trying to proclaim that the world is ending or something, but Udall had everything going for him: An open seat, an opposing candidate who got bogged down in a bunch of problems (Schaffer's campaign wasn't that great and he got bogged down by his associations to Jack Abramoff), a presidential candidate who was quite popular in Colorado, AND a year that was really bad overall for the Republicans yet Udall only won by 11 points. Udall is probably a bit too far to the left for Colorado (much like Tom Harkin is probably too far to the left for Iowa) and in 2014, when Udall is up for re-election, it'll probably be one of the Republicans' top targets.

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If
there is anyone left on their bench to run against him!

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Heh, good point :D


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Joined the Senate Blue Dogs
He is even worse on card check than Tedisco on the stimulus.  At least he decided after two months.  Note so with Bennet.  

Then he does decide to join the obstructionist, semi-Republican Blue Dogs.  We know where he stands, with his billionaire ex-boss.  He just doesn't have the courage to do it in public.

Send him home.  Soon.  Go Romanoff.  Go home Bayh.  You are not half the man your father was.


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Semi-Republican?
Come on. Most of them vote the party line anyway. Who cares what they call themselves. I don't think Bennet has bolted on anything yet. Bayh on the other hand...  

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Vote the party line
Bennett does not vote the party line.  He rates 48th among Democrats so far on Progressive Punch ddeparting nearly 20% of the time.  That's OK from Nebraska but hardly encouraging from rapidly bluing Colorado.

New Democrats mostly do vote the party line.  Not so much the Blue Dogs.  We don't need a Blue Dog caucus in the Senate providing a huge road block.  Sorry conspiracy.  Chris Bowers ran these exhaustive analyses of votes by caucus a couple years ago when he was with MyDD.  The Dogs are different,.  They depart frequently, particularly on big votes.

Bennet is giving all the signals of another Tom Carper, a blue state corporate shill.  The signs tell me a lot more than a handful of votes but already Bennet's voting record is remarkably close to Carper (Carper rates 50th in lifetime Progressive Punch).

Because Democrats control the agenda in both the Senate and White House, scores tend to run higher.


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On the big votes so far this year
He has voted every single time with the majority. So has Carper. Now all these ratings are based on total votes correct? Well they all use votes on meaningless amendments to make them look more liberal or conservative. When the chips are down, like for the budget, you get at most a couple of defections and even Bayh, Lincoln, Pryor, Landrieu and the Nelsons usually vote for cloture.

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yes but Colorado is not Delaware
don't mistake the fact they voted for Obama as some sign that they're a progressive haven. Hillary Clinton would never have carried Colorado.

Colorado is a unique fish in the Democratic Party. It's one place where labor doesn't get Democrats elected.  

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After the financial crisis
I think any Democrat would have won Colorado.  Clinton would have won it by 1-3% instead of the 9% that Obama won it by.

But it would have been a real tossup.


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Evidence?
As Kanamit said, a right-to-work initiative failed there 44-56 and all the other Democratic representatives and candidates for federal races in 2010 (who have thus far announced) have endorsed EFCA.

Granted, Ritter's not been terribly supportive of labour, but I don't see the evidence that it's particularly anti-labour. 8.3% of its workforce is unionised, which is not a bad number for the Mountain West.


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Another lousy appointment
Gillibrand west.  Isn't Andrew Romanoff thinking of primarying him?  I sure hope he does.

Yes and no
At least the process was smooth in Colorado. On the other hand Gillibrand comes across much stronger though I suppose her numbers aren't much better. Just what happens when people with little or no name recognition get picked.

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I dunno
For some reason I'm not feeling all that worried about this one.  Bennet is tied or ahead against all of the potential opponents and he's not very well known yet.  He should be able to seriously outspend any challenger and get his name out there by 2010.

It is still a little early to be concerned
But, Bennet is more known after 3 months in CO than Burr is in NC after 4+ years and Bennet has higher disapprovals.  A net -8 in job approval with 41% disapproving already is a stunning number to me this early.

I think someone mentioned that CO is full of liberal Democrats (see Mark Udall) and conservative Republicans (see Tom Tancredo) with no real political center in the state.  That hypothesis seems to make sense and reflects the sense I got the two times I visited CO.  

Taking an uncommitted, weak-kneed stance on EFCA probably knocked his approvals down among Dems, which would partly account for his current numbers.  I wouldnt want to primary him if we dont have too, but I think a statewide listening/serious image rehabilitation tour is in definite order for Bennet because these numbers are, if nothing else, discouraging at this point.


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And weak with hispanics
Perhaps because Salazar wasn't replaced with one.  

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I'm not too concerned, either
But I certainly wasn't happy with this appointment.  Designed to inspire no one, it certainly has done that.  Beyond being on the EFCA fence (I think he'll jump in favor, but that's just a feeling), he's not been horrible.  He's just not been great.  I would dearly love to see Romanoff--one of the most genuine politicians I've known--get the seat, but I'd hate to see it become a blood bath.  I doubt it will.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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The Bennet appointment
Maybe Ritter should have appointed Gary Hart to the seat at ;east he has a record and he could have just been a place holder.  Of course I'm not sure how well that would have gone over with Colorado citizens after the incidents on his boat and what not.  

To tell you the truth I didn't think the Salazar appointment made much political sense.  Obama needs to become more partisan in that area.  He and Salazar are probably good buddies and I'm not saying Salazar is going to make a bad Interior Secretary either, I think he's a fine public servant.  

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You obviously haven't been paying attention to Salazar
as Interior Secretary...it's hard to see how he could be more partisan.  

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It's true
I was a little bummed after hearing Salazar was going to head Interior.  But the guy has been a rock solid progressive thus far.  Far and away exceeding my expectations.

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Sorry
I was referring to the fact that Obama probably made our chances of holding this seat tougher.  I guess I did a poor job of articulating that.  

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IIRC
People weren't so bullish on Salazar's reelection chances either.  

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Salazar would've held that seat until he died
He was never the most popular candidate, but he would not have faced serious primary opposition and big name R's would have pushed to other races, like the Governor's office or Colorado's junior Senator.  

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He would
Progressives like me would have moaned, telephoned, wept, badgered, and, in every other way, wished the man could have been on a leash, but we still would have voted for him.  No other Dem would have dared challenge Ken.

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Things probably worked out for the best
Salazar has been an excellent Interior Secretary.  FAR more progressive than he ever was as Senator.

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The crosstabs show a TERRIBLE sample
38% R,  36% D, 26% I. That's not even close to the true partisan breakdown of the state, where I's have a clear advantage and D's and R's are fairly similar in number.  

Good catch
I just checked out the actual current registration numbers from the Colorado SoS office, and they're about 33% D, 33% R, 33% UAF as of this month (if you factor in the 'inactive' registrations; it's 35 D/35 R/30 UAF if you just do 'active'). Since indies are leaning Dem these days, yeah, that seems like PPP's composition would skew things a few points to the right. I was already wondering if there a bit of a sample problem based on the PPP numbers released yesterday, since it had Obama under 60% and Udall under 50% for approval too (which are assumedly from the same sample).

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Well...
I'd also point out that exit polls gave the Republicans a 1-point partisan edge.

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PPP generally doesn't weight for party
which is the One True Way to poll IMO. And anyway, what they show isn't too far off from November's exit poll.

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I have to disagree
Undersampling I's by 7 and oversampling R's by 5 just isn't an accurate polling methodology in Colorado.

PPP did similar things in races last year in other states that were changing demographically.

The one true way to poll is to not have anyone hang up.  


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According to 2008 exit polls
Republicans actually had a 1% edge over Democrats in voters.  

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Eh
They're not beating Bennet with any of those candidates.  That said, we could have really done with a better appointment here.

Colorado Pols thinks this poll is utter bullshit.
And they have been reading the state pretty well in the four years I've been reading them.  They've been calling the statewide, congressional, and legislative races accurately and early almost that whole time.  

Now, the diarist they promoted over there also thinks robo-polls are bullshit, which I don't think anyone over here believes.  But when I want to see how Bennet is doing, I look over there.  And they see a weak-ass GOP field, a Senator who's pretty good in a town hall, has and will have mega-bucks, and, again, has no real opponent.  The GOP won't beat something with nothing here, unless 2010 is really really bad for us nationwide.

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Given that this poll
also shows a 49-45 Obama approval rating and 41-46 Udall approval rating, I think it's a little off.

Explain to me again why Hickenlooper wasn't picked
Oh, that's right: Bill Ritter was being a petty sob.  

Hickenlooper is not any better
when it comes to labor than Bennet.  Romanoff is the right choice now.

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If I was Andy Stern...
...I would definitely be calling Michael Bennet now. These numbers just have to make Romanoff interested, and Bennet isn't going to want to face a full court press from SEIU in the primary.


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