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LA-Sen: Vitter In Danger of Getting Spanked (Electorally, That Is)

by: Crisitunity

Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 7:13 PM EST


Research 2000 for Daily Kos (3/2-4, registered voters):

Charlie Melancon (D): 41
David Vitter (R-inc): 48

Don Cazayoux (D): 39
David Vitter (R-inc): 48

Charlie Melancon (D): 40
Jay Dardenne (R): 49

Don Cazayoux (D): 38
Jay Dardenne (R): 50
(MoE: ±4%)

David Vitter (R-inc): 43
Jay Dardenne (R): 32
Stormy Daniels (R): 1
(MoE: ±5%)

David Vitter still seems to have an edge in his quest for re-election to his Louisiana senate seat, but it looks like he could have a rocky time of it in both the primary and the general. Vitter is polling below the 50% mark in each, and he has a lukewarm 49/42 favorable/unfavorable.

Vitter performs about the same against both Democrats polled (Rep. Charlie Melancon and ex-Rep. Don Cazayoux, neither of whom seem to be moving in the direction of running). Neither Melancon nor Cazayoux seems well-known outside their respective districts, so this is basically a test of "Generic D." (Names that get talked up more as the eventual candidate include ex-Rep. Chris John, who lost to Vitter in 2004, and former Louisiana Democratic Party head Jim Bernhard, not that either of them are well-known, either.)

On the other hand, notice that Republican Secretary of State Jay Dardenne perfoms just as well as David Vitter, if slightly better. It may be that we're seeing "Generic R" on the GOP side as well, and partisan lines are pretty hard-set (at least at this point, before people know much about the individual candidates). Dardenne is being talked up for the race by others, but publicly has been noncommital so far; out of all the favorables/unfavorables in this poll, Dardenne fares the best of anybody at 48/22.

Despite Dardenne's favorables, Vitter beats Dardenne in the primary -- not surprising, given how conservative the Louisiana GOP base is, and that Dardenne is something of a moderate figure while Vitter has been charging to the right. However, there's a wild card here that wasn't polled: Family Research Council honcho Tony Perkins, who has made his interest in the race known. It would be interesting to see Perkins polled in this race, both whether the polarizing religious right talking head would fare worse than Vitter in the general, and his effect on the primary. It's possible that in a 3-way primary, with Vitter and Perkins splitting the hard-right vote, Dardenne could sneak through with the support of what passes for moderates in Louisiana. (As you can see, the Stormy Daniels candidacy hasn't aroused much interest yet, although I'm sure she won't take that lying down.)

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Joseph Cao in the Republican primary
I think he's going to run in the primary against Vitter. He has nowhere else to go.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

That's Not Actually That Crazy Of An Idea
Cao's doomed if he stays in New Orleans. He's demonstrated he'll stand with conservatives when it came to the stimulus package, but unlike Vitter he's not tainted by a sex scandal. Maybe someone should start a "Draft Cao for Senate" campaign.

As for these poll numbers, it would be way better off if Cazayoux tried running again for his old district. He doesn't seem to be able to break the 40% barrier at this point, and since he was in Congress as long as it takes to bat an eyelash, I doubt statewide he would have that name recognition.

I'm also interested in seeing some kind of poll done for Louisiana similar to Pennsylvania regarding whether you would reelect David Vitter, especially among the GOP primary voters.


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I highly, highly doubt that
Dude doesn't strike me as that... ambitious. Plus, there's also this:

Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao, a Republican in a deeply Democratic Louisiana district, was welcomed on Tuesday night into the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

Addressing the group at a ceremony in the Capitol Visitors Center, Cao did a little bipartisan outreach.

"Don't tell the Republicans, but I might be a closet Democrat," said Cao to a round of laughter.

The Future is Cao.


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Cao
I honestly don't think he knows what his views are on most issues.  I really don't.  It seems to be that he just threw his name in the LA-02 race never thinking he had a chance in hell, as noone else though, and thanks to crazy circunstance we pulled off a miracle was was caught flat-footed, having to idea what to do.

It's kinda like that episode of the West Wing where Will Bailey continues to manage a the congressional campaign for some no-name guy who died a week before the election, then on election day a bizarre set of circumstances happen that lead to the dead guy winning and noone knows what to do next.


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It is tried and true politics
Run on the other party line when an incumbent has huge issues, no matter how bad the odds are, because the incumbent likely will draw many challengers in his own party, and could prevail in a primary.

Flanagan got a term running against Rostenkowski, etc.

In this case, everyone knew Jefferson was damaged goods long before election day... and also knew he had a chance to win the primary.  That (R) primary was an excellent place for a non-toxic candidate like Cao to take a shot.

It's not the same, but similarly any decent Louisiana Democrat has a chance to win the Senate race, no matter what the numbers now, if Vitter gets lots of challengers, and manages to win the nomination with 25% or so.


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Many districts
There are many districts, though, where I just cant see any chance in hell of a Republican winning. Even if their congressman was caught with a billion dollars in their freezer. Examples...in Charlie Rangel's, Jose Serrano's, Maxine Water's, Dianne Watson's, Nancy Pelosi's, Barbara Lee's, and Jesse Jackson, Jr's districst. Its just so much more Democratic, partly because they didnt have a mass exodus of Democratic voters.

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Cao
Cao may very well have thought, after his election, 'what the hell do I do now? I never expected to actually win this thing'. I'll give him credit...at least hes serving and didnt resign. Alot of other people may have just immediately resigned because they thought that they were just in the race for other reasons (as a political favor, to get their name out to help their business, etc)...rather than to actually serve in Congress. But its not like Cao is some millionaire businessman who had intended to just work on his business after the election without any thought whatsoever to actually being in Congress.  

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Though...
Perhaps the money was a reason Cao has been staying put. If he made alot less back home in NOLA then he may have wanted to be on the Congressional dime. Making a couple or few hundred thousand more dollars in a span of a couple years may be worth it to him.

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Heh heh, you said "spanked".
I don't think Vitter will lose his re-election. I do think that forcing the Republicans to spend money in a state they should be able to walk away with would be a victory in itself.

I do
I think he's going to struggle in a primary against whomever is his opponent. And, if he makes it out of that I think Jim Bernhard is going to beat him in the general.

Apparently, Bernhard wants to run. I think he's waiting for a definitive no from Melancon and John, but he has a lot of cash to burn on this race after passing on previous races he could have run for and won.

He has some baggage that people on SSP aren't going to like that I'm not going to mention right now, but Louisiana voters won't frown upon it too much. If Vitter gets primaried and is forced to spend millions there, Bernhard could further compound his problems by dropping millions of his own on the race. The key here is a strong primary to Vitter.

To clarify a comment I posted last week on here: The state party ED asked me to remove the post that gave the impression that John was going to be the candidate for this race. He didn't want people to think that John was necessarily the choice of the party.    


Agreed on the baggage
but really, to get rid of Vitter, it's worth it. If he was running against say, Dick Lugar I'm not sure I could handle it. But Vitter is just that bad.

I'm not convinced John will run at all. He's got a very nice gig as a lobbyist that I don't think he'd want to give up. I think he'll pass.  


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Could you at least summarize this "baggage"?
Or provide a link to it?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I wish they'd poll Bernhard
I highly doubt any of the others will run. All have or will soon have very nice, comfy jobs. Bernhard has passed a lot of different times, I think this time he'll give it a go.

As jd1 said, he's got some problems and will not be my favorite Senator or candidate by any means (I expect him to be about as bad as Ben Nelson, probably the worst in our caucus) but it's worth it to get rid of Vitter.


Meh . . .
After Zell left, I had Landrieu pegged a our worst Senator, forgiving Nelson because he was from Nebraska.

Then Katrina happened and the whole electorate changed and I became forgiving. I'm willing to have Ben Nelson 2 (or 3 if Mary is already #2) if they are from Louisiana.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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Exactly
being from LA and beating Vitter just make it worthwhile.

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Louisiana
and Nebaska both gave 57% to McCain.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Bernhard's name ID
Is probably pretty minimal. I don't think we'd see significantly different numbers polling him.

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Daniels probably won't run now
I think there was a fear that no mainstream GOP pol was going to challenge Vitter, and I really think she was only going to run if that was the case. Still, I think the fact that she got some attention made it clear that Vitter was not bulletproof in a GOP contest.

Why Not Run?
She was never running to actually beat Vitter herself.  She seems way too smart to have ever believed that.  From her perspective, I assume she's running for the publicity.  From the perspective of those trying to draft her, I assume it's just to create bad PR for Vitter because they want to beat him (R primary?  general?).  Those reasons still stand.

Now, she may not be running because she never intended to run and just wanted a little publicity from talking aobut it, but I don't think the entrance of another R primary opponent should influence her decision.


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Get her to run in the R primary
and smear Vitter with truths (they're not even lies).

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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They should've polled John
he's the mostly likely candidate. I'd like to see Cazayoux go for a big high profile rematch against Cassidy, though it would be an uphill battle. Oh well, if he loses it makes redistricting easier; Cassidy and Scalise are thrown in together and Rodney Alexanders district goes further south to take in some more of the rural parts of this one, New Orleans takes in some of Scalises' more conservative parts and Melancon loses territory to Boustany while taking in part of Baton Rouge. I don't have the specific numbers crunched however, but I might do a rough draft some time in the near future.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

LA redistricting
Ive heard that should LA lose a seat then the New Orleans-based district might be merged with African American majority areas in Baton Rouge. Itd be an extremely gerrymandered district but its been done before. Itd probably include New Orleans, and a thin line straight up to the AA-majority areas in Baton Rouge.

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Well
Been done before nationally, dunno about in Louisiana. And if this does happen then Cassidy should be safe in future re-elections, unless hes merged with another Republican of course (such as Scalise). Their homes being merged into one district, rather.

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that's what would
happen. The area has to lose one district.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Melancon
There's little chance he gets screwed, right?  I'm pretty sure his district didn't lose a TON of people like LA-02 and it's hard to see how is district can be made much worse for him.

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there's no way, with
the votes in that area and his popularity, along with the total lack of Republican candidates, that he could get screwed.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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