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CA-Gov: Brown, Whitman Lead Primary Packs

by: Crisitunity

Thu Mar 05, 2009 at 2:28 PM EST


Field Poll (2/20-3/1, registered voters):

Dianne Feinstein (D): 38
Jerry Brown (D): 16
Antonio Villaraigosa (D): 16
Gavin Newsom (D): 10
John Garamendi (D): 4
Steve Westly (D): 2
Bill Lockyer (D): 1
Jack O'Connell (D): 1

Jerry Brown (D): 26
Antonio Villaraigosa (D): 22
Gavin Newsom (D): 16
John Garamendi (D): 8
Steve Westly (D): 2
Bill Lockyer (D): 2
Jack O'Connell (D): 2
(MoE: ±5.5%)

Meg Whitman (R): 21
Tom Campbell (R): 18
Steve Poizner (R): 7
(MoE: ±5.8%)

Lake Research (D) (2/17-2-19, likely voters):

Jerry Brown (D): 27
Antonio Villaraigosa (D): 20
Gavin Newsom (D): 14
John Garamendi (D): 8
Steve Westly (D): 3
Jack O'Connell (D): 1
(MoE: ±5.7%)

Jerry Brown (D): 43
Meg Whitman (R): 27

Jerry Brown (D): 41
Steve Poizner (R): 30

Gavin Newsom (D): 40
Meg Whitman (R): 25

Gavin Newsom (D): 38
Steve Poizner (R): 29
(MoE: ±3.5%)

Two polls are out in the 2010 California governor's race, the big enchilada of all the gubernatorial seats. One is from Field, the gold-standard of California pollsters; the other is from Democratic internal pollster Lake Research (which doesn't have a candidate in the race). Field polls both primaries but not the general; Lake polls the Dem primary and some general head-to-heads. Taken cumulatively, the most likely result seems to be that Governor Moonbeam may well ride again, in one of politics' most surprising second (or third or fourth) acts.

The Field Poll does two different runs on the Democratic primary, and finds that were Senator Dianne Feinstein to run, she'd mop up the rest of the field. While she has been occasionally linked to this race, she hasn't made any visible moves toward running. Without Feinstein in the mix, AG Jerry Brown has a bit of an edge over Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. One interesting tidbit from the Field Poll is that young voters have no idea who Jerry Brown is (he was governor in the 70s, long enough ago that he's grandfathered out of California's term limits laws, allowing him to come back for more). Only 8% of 18-to-39 year-old voters support Brown, and 30% have no opinion of him.

On the Republican side, Field gives a small lead to former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, who was a big McCain booster and seems to be staking out the party's right flank. Ex-Rep. Tom Campbell (who lost the 2000 Senate race to DiFi and hasn't sought office since then) does surprisingly well, considering how long he's been out of the spotlight; apparently the moderate wing of the California GOP is still alive and kicking. Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner is a distant third, although he may shoot up once his free-spending ways kick in, especially given that more than half the GOP voters are undecided.

Lake puts up very similar numbers in the primary as the Feinstein-free Field poll. As for the general, they run head-to-heads involving Brown and Newsom, and find the Dems in pretty good shape, winning each matchup by double digits. Undecideds are still high (in the 30% ballpark), as would be expected at this point, but a Dem pickup is looking like a real possibility, assuming the primary doesn't get too bloody.

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My list of preferred candidates:
Gavin Newsom, Antonio Villaraigosa, John Garamendi, then Jerry Brown.  

California is a breeding ground for presidential candidates.  Brown is too old to have a future after Governor and IIRC he flip-flopped on Prop 8.  


Dem primary
I wonder if much of the primary will basically be a war between the 'older' liberals and the 'younger' liberals, with Brown getting most of the 'older' and Newsom and Villaraigosa getting much of the 'younger'.  

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Probably
But definitely a wide open race if these numbers are anything to go by.

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Prop 8
To be fair, when you say he flip-flopped on Prop 8, I think you mean he changed his position on whether Prop 8 was a legal means of amending the constitution.  I believe he has always been against Prop 8 as a matter of policy.

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Yes, What Brown did was very unusual
Usually the State AG defends state law regardless of whether or not he agrees with it.  This is what Brown had originally indicated that he would do, but changed his mind (or flip-flopped, if you prefer) and decided to argue on behalf of the the State of California against it in court.  I believe he always felt that Prop 8 was a revision to the CA constitution, but originally felt constrained by his position of Attorney General.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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Personally I feel
that Brown ignored his duties on this one.  Your job as AG is to defend the state regardless of your personal views, and if you are unable to do so, then you find someone else to do that.


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Okay. Thank you for the clarification.


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Breeding ground?
What Democratic candidate came from California?  It has spawned Hoover, Nixon, and Reagan.  Seems like we just need to win and not worry about a California Democrat running for President.  Off-hand Jerry Brown and Alan Cranston kind of crashed and so did Pete Wilson for the GOP.

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The problem is itis NOT a breeding ground
And this batch of douchebags is more of the same.  Not one has the slightest chance of ever being a national leader.  California Democratic politics are a disaster of retreads and hacks.

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What are the plans that each
of these candidates have for California?  That is still up in the air.

The guy I like least is Newsom.  IMO, he used his leadership on gar rights to cover up what is a rather conservative economic platform.


I like fish too
But protecting salmon is a bigger issue in California than gars.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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Ugh.
I don't trust Jerry Brown. There's no way he'll support repealing any of Prop 13 given that he supported it originally. Newsom would be pretty horrible too.

Villaigarosa might not be so bad, albeit I don't know much about him (beyond some annoying pandering he did and a scandal). I would definitely prefer Garamendi.

All in all, a very disappointing field.


Evidently, I don't even know how to spell his name.


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Do you actually know that Brown oppose rolling back prop 13?
Or are you just postulating that?

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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Postulating, mostly.
I looked into it, and apparently he initially opposed it, then flip-flopped and declared himself a "born again tax-cutter".

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That's what I thought
I would hope his political positions were not so inflexible that he wouldn't be willing to admit that a position he took 30 years ago might have been wrong.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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Brown is horrible and the best of the bunch
by far.

That is so pitiful to write.  Garamendi just needs to give up already.  He's been running for more than 20 years and has never gotten appreciable supposrt for Governor.  The two mayors are embarrasments.  DiFi is odious.  Westely ran a campaign where he took a slam dunk lead over a bad candidate and managed to get trounced.

God help us, that leaves Brown.


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Ya, I'd love a solid progressive as CA Gov
But I'll settle for any electable Dem who will sign off the mother of all gerrymanders in 2012.

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Same here.
Though I am undecided in the primary, I will support whichever Dem is the nominee.

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But can they get such a map through the state legislature?
My understanding is that you need a supermajority (2/3rds?) to get such a thing passed in the legislature -- and I don't think Dems have all the votes they need to do that.

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The bigger problem
is the awful "incumbent protection" mindset of the Dem legislature.  They are term limited, and all they do is jump around between various offices, so politicians on both sides like "safe" districts to land into.

That is why California is overloaded with medicore retreads in both parties.

there will be no partisan gerrymandering, there will only "how do I cover my medicore ass" gerrymandering.


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I'm pretty sure you are mistaken
I was under the impression that 2/3rds is only needed either to pass a budget or override a Governor's veto.

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That's what I was thinking too.


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Gains can be made
I suspect Sen. Maldonado is in serious trouble, if only within his own party, for crafting a way out of the budget mess.  Our real chances were in 2008, though.  Hannah-Beth Jackson winning and Maldonado losing would do it in the Senate.  Maybe we can get some Central Valley politician against Jeff Denham?  Ditto against Greg Aghazarian in the Assembly for Ceres-Modesto-Stockton? I would also target AD 30 and AD 78 (suburban San Diego).  That might be enough, but these maps are incumbent-protected to hell and back.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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We already have 78.
That was one of the races heavily targeted in 2008 and is now held by Democrat Martin Block.

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Damn, I misread the map
What district did I really mean? Ah...it was the 78th, but Wikipedia isn't caught up.  What a surprise!!

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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I guess the other district was the 26th.
We tried targeting that district in 08 and barely missed it. There were other districts that we narrowly missed that I listed as top targets for 2010, in addition to open districts that have a small difference between D and R registration.

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Yeah, that a district
We should have that one.  Maybe Tom Berryhill's 26th too. The 63rd makes sense as a target, as do the 78th, and maybe the 6th and 3rd.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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CA is barely above the 435 cutoff line
 to keep its 53rd seat (it's actually at #434 on Polidata's Apportionment projection).

So CA could wind up getting the benefit from the DC bill expanding the House to 437

But even then, it will be the first time ever in history since it became a state that CA hasn't gained a seat in the 10-year apportionments.


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Though I too am disappointed,
I don't think we can really compare the reapportionments of 1910 and earlier with the reapportionments after 1910, because the House was expanded every census until 1910. I did some number-crunching on California and U.S. population and House numbers from 1850 to 1910 and found that if the House had been frozen from 1850 onwards, at 234 seats, California would not have gained any seats twice, in 1870 and 1900. If the House continued to be expanded after 1910, then California along with most other states would be expected to gain seats in 2010. True CA would not gain as fast as the states that are currently projected to gain seats in 2010, but it would still gain nonetheless.

1850
California population: 92,597
U.S. population: 23,191,876
U.S. House district size: 99,111 people per district
CA delegation: 1

1860
California population: 379,994 (310.37% increase from 1850)
U.S. population: 31,443,321 (35.58% increase from 1850)
U.S. House district size: 134,373 people per district
California delegation: 3 (+2)

1870
California population: 560,247 (47.44% increase from 1860)
U.S. population: 39,818,449 (26.64% increase from 1860)
U.S. House district size: 170,164 people per district
California delegation: 3 (no change)

1880
California population: 864,694 (54.34% increase from 1870)
U.S. population: 50,189,209 (26.05% increase from 1870)
U.S. House district size: 214,484 people per district
California delegation: 4 (+1)

1890
California population: 1,213,398 (40.33% increase from 1880)
U.S. population: 62,947,714 (25.42% increase from 1880)
U.S. House district size: 269,007 people per district
California delegation: 5 (+1)

1900
California population: 1,485,053 (22.39% increase from 1890)
U.S. population: 76,212,168 (21.07% increase from 1890)
U.S. House district size: 325,693 people per district
California delegation: 5 (no change)

1910
California population: 2,377,549 (60.10% increase from 1900)
U.S. population: 92,228,496 (21.02% increase from 1910)
U.S. House district size: 394,139 people per district
California delegation: 6 (+1)

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Steve Poizner is too liberal
to win a contested Statewide Republican primary.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

They all are
All of them seem to be business conservatives.  I've heard from some here that Whitman's trying to flank on the right, but she's pro-choice, right?  If so, that's a deal-breaker.  Someone else in the wingnut category will step up.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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Cue Tom McClintock
I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't jump in.  And I really hope he does.  He's completely unelectable statewide but delusional enough to try it.

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Didn't he only win his current position
Because his opponent was Bustamante?  I seem to remember that guy coming across back during the re-call of Davis as a complete no-talent political hack.

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Bustamante is an illustration of the problem
in California.  Retreads, retreads and more mediocre retreads.

Career mediocrities jumping from one office where they suck to another.

A moderate-liberal glass of water could beat Bustamante.


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