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IL-Sen: Blagojevich Names Roland Burris

by: Crisitunity

Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM EST


Well, he isn't quite as obscure as Tim Ted Kaufman, but Blagojevich has named his pick for the vacant Illinois senate seat and it's someone who wasn't on anybody's watch list: former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris. Burris is the first African-American to win statewide office in Illinois, elected comptroller in 1978. He's failed to win the primary in three separate gubernatorial runs, including in 2002 against Blagojevich.

Burris is 71. This leads to the question: is he running for re-election in 2010? That's not immediately clear, but Burris stated earlier that whoever gets the appointment should be able to win re-election. Burris sold himself to Blagojevich when the position came open, and unlike most anyone else, continued to sell himself harder after Blago got arrested.

Shortly after Obama's Nov. 4 victory, Burris made known his interest in an appointment to the Senate but was never seriously considered, according to Blagojevich insiders. But in the days following Blagojevich's arrest, and despite questions over the taint of a Senate appointment, Burris stepped up his efforts to win the governor's support.

What's strange here is that Blagojevich's own defense attorney said that no appointment would be forthcoming, and of course earlier Harry Reid said that no Blagojevich appointment would be seated by the Senate... so it's unclear what exactly Blagojevich is thinking (although that seems like it has frequently been the case lately). Burris apparently has not been connected to any of the investigations of Blagojevich, but it seems highly iffy as to whether or not he ever actually becomes a senator, with Reid's threat, and the Illinois legislature still considering impeachment procedures against Blagojevich. (Discussion is already underway in safi's diary.)

UPDATE (James L.): Looks like Senate Dems are standing firm:

It is truly regrettable that despite requests from all 50 Democratic Senators and public officials throughout Illinois, Gov. Blagojevich would take the imprudent step of appointing someone to the United States Senate who would serve under a shadow and be plagued by questions of impropriety. We say this without prejudice toward Roland Burris's ability, and we respect his years of public service. But this is not about Mr. Burris; it is about the integrity of a governor accused of attempting to sell this United States Senate seat. Under these circumstances, anyone appointed by Gov. Blagojevich cannot be an effective representative of the people of Illinois and, as we have said, will not be seated by the Democratic Caucus.

As is Illinois' Secretary of State:

Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White says he'll reject any paperwork that Gov. Rod Blagojevich files to name a new U.S. senator.

The secretary of state keeps state records and certifies official actions.

But White says he won't certify anything Blagojevich does to fill the Senate seat once held by President-elect Barack Obama.

(Hat-tip: SusanG)

Later Update: Did you catch the Blago/Burris press conference? Reportedly, it was nothing less than surreal.

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Actually it's Ted Kaufman
Just shows HOW obscure....  

Hmm
That might just well define 'irony.'

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hahahaha
nice.  

After thinking about it, I'm really for a filler for the Delaware seat for Beau.  In all honesty, if that other dude from the gubernatorial primary wanted to run, he could.  But he won't, he'll let Biden have the seat.

And Beau Biden has certainly distinguished himself as is so that is that.  Plus, it's nice for small states like Delaware to pick someone young and let them build up the seniority for a good long while.

Lots of good small reasons to be for it.


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Senate Dems joint statement
"It is truly regrettable that despite requests from all 50 Democratic Senators and public officials throughout Illinois, Gov. Blagojevich would take the imprudent step of appointing someone to the United States Senate who would serve under a shadow and be plagued by questions of impropriety. We say this without prejudice toward Roland Burris's ability, and we respect his years of public service. But this is not about Mr. Burris; it is about the integrity of a governor accused of attempting to sell this United States Senate seat. Under these circumstances, anyone appointed by Gov. Blagojevich cannot be an effective representative of the people of Illinois and, as we have said, will not be seated by the Democratic Caucus."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee...


The battle lines have been drawn


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Hah
despite requests from all 50 Democratic Senators

I noticed they say "50 Democratic Senators."  Actually there are 49 Dems, with 2 Indies who caucus with us - Lieberman and Sanders.  I wonder which is the independent who joined in here....


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48
Without Obama, there are now only 48 Democratic Senators + Sanders/Lieberman so everyone signed I believe.

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About Blago's Intentions
... so it's unclear what exactly Blagojevich is thinking

Given all the absolutely insane shit that this guy has done, why are we still questioning on the merits of what this man was thinking?


True
You have to question the sanity of a man who thinks it's a good idea to try and shakedown several of the most powerful peeople in Illinois, and the world for that metter (President-Elect Obama).

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Is anyone else watching the Press Conference?
It's a circus. They just pulled Rep. Bobby Rush out from the peanut gallery to speak to Burris' qualifications trying to say it's okay.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

No, at work
Can't wait to see it on YouTube tonight.  Did Blago actually take questions from the press?  

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Burris Did
Someone asked him about $14,000 he donated to Blago. Burris was stunned asking how he could possibly have that much money to donate, next question.

Oh yeah, Bobby Rush used the term lynching of Burris a few times and pointed out several times that he should be seated cause there are no black senators. It was bad, real bad.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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Awesome
So everything went as bad as can be imagined it sounds like.  Wonder if Burris realizes how easy it is to look up donations on the internet.

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The part I saw was really really bad
Rush said "I urge you not to lynch the appointee."

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Of course the CBC will issue a condemnation...
Right? Right...... ?

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My opinion of the CBC has been decreasing a bit
especially with my recent realization that they're a group for promoting the interests of black Representatives rather than black Americans.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Agreed
I'd like to see some more progressive work done by them for the AA community

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Here ya go...
Took me all of 5 minutes to find out about Burris's donations to Blago.  Obviously he isn't familiar with google.

http://www.elections.state.il....


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i thought it was THE google. this darned interweb!


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Does Burris think the interweb is a series of tubes?
If so, we may want to let him in so we have a replacement laughingstock for Stevens.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Bobby Rush?
Wasn't he a former Black Panther? What's Blago thinking, that Rush can intimidate the entire Senate to doing Blago's will by waving a black fisted glove in the air?

As for Rush's choice of words, "hang or lynch", don't go there, girlfriend...


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Oh, he went there
What we've got now is one big effing circus.  

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Yup
Clusterfuck. The direct quote is even worse.

"Finally, Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made an appearance at the podium and stated in forceful terms that the Senate must not reject the appointment of a black Senator, going so far as to tell everyone to not "hang or lynch the appointee as you try to ruin and castigate the appointer.""

http://tpmelectioncentral.talk...

Election day seems a life ago now. What Illinois giveth it taketh away.


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Yeah
Hard to believe a month ago that Illinois was the state that gave us Barack Obama.

I guess the only upside to all this is the entertainment value. Without the whole Blago getting arrested thing, we probably wouldn't have much to talk about. And besides, Senate appointment speculation rose enormously on the heels of the Governor's arrest.

I wish Jon Stewart was back on already. He'd be making a field day of this, probably bring in Larry Wilmore for some thoughtful black perspective.


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Yep, Illinois did...
What I thought was impossible. They now have a Governor as bad as Jim Gibbons in Nevada. I guess one could argue that Blago's worse because he was indicted. Still, I find it amazing how the home state of Barack Obama can actually match or outdo the level of insane corruption regularly seen in Carson City & Vegas.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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What's Even More Atrocious
Is that Blago seems to be deliberately provoking everybody affected by this matter with his continued usage of executive power as if nothing's happened. Talk about absolute power corrupting...He may end up alongside Bush for the record of political obliviousness.  

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Even more irony...
Bobby Rush is the only man to ever beat Obama in an election.  Obama challenged the incumbent Rep. Rush in the 2000 Democratic primary for U.S. House and lost by a 2-1 margin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...


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pwned.
Lincoln lost to Douglas, remember?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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And actually
Obama makes three consecutive Presidents who lost their first run for Congress.  Clinton lost his first run for U.S. House in the late 70's, Dubya lost I believe in the early 80's and Obama in 2000.  

So for anyone thinking they've heard the last from our would-be congressmen who lost in November, don't be so sure.


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You may have it wrong
George HW Bush lost a congressional race in like 1978 and I don't think
George Shit for Brains Bush never lost

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They both lost
Bush 1 lost a Senate race in the mid-1960s, and Bush 2 lost a Congressional race in 1978.

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Make that 4 straight Presidents
Guess Reagan was the last Prez not to lose his in a run for Congress.

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And now that I think about it
Bill Clinton also lost a Governor's race on top of a Congressional race.  He lost his first congressional race, won the Governor's race, lost re-election as Governor, won back the Governorship, then won teo terms as President.  

Wonder which recent congressional race loser is going to be a future President.  President Dan Seals?  President Joe Garcia?  President Tammy Duckworth?


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No, it was Dubya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

And he lost the TX-19 race to Democratic Rep. Kent Hance in 1978 in a somewhat close race (by about 6,000 votes).


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No Dubya definitely lost a House race


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SNL Material
That presser was great, from a political theater standpoint.  And, I don't believe for a minute that Bobby Rush just happened to be there.  Rush played the race card as explicitly as I've ever seen it, and I doubt Blago and Burris did not know what was coming.

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I just saw a report on TV
That Sec. of State Jesse White announced he won't certify this nomination.

Interesting...
I wonder what Illinois law is on this.  Does the Illinois Sec. of State have to certify the pick or does he have legal standing to refuse?

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I believe
He has to be certified by the SOS. I don't know how much latitude White is given in terms of his power to choose who to certify and who not to.

Of course there will be a legal battle over this, but this could provide some much needed cover for Senate Dems. If White can continue to stall this nomination, the IL legislature can continue with the impeachment proceeding and hopefully by early February, Blago's out of office.


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We may need a decision sooner than February
It would look really bad if Illinois still only has one Senator by the time the next Senate session starts.  Either a special election needs to be called or Blago needs to be removed and Gov. Quinn can make a pick very soon.

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I don't know
If it can. There's obviously a system in place to do this, and I don't know if they can logistically impeach and convict in three weeks.

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Thank goodness!
We can't let Blago take this circus all the way to the US Senate.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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As for the Senate Dems and the IL SoS: to Blago: PWNED.
Seriously, Blago, just GTFO, please.  You're not winning, and you won't win, even if you are right, if you keep on acting like this.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

Alternate theory
Seems like Blago is trying to set up an alternate theory to explain the wiretap: he wasn't trying to solicit a bribe, merely just talking about the possibility.  Note Blago's talk was pure bulls**t.  It was all a dream, nothing real.  See my "real" action.

Crazier defenses have worked
See O.J. "the glove don't fit" Simpson and Robert "was going to get my gun" Blake.

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Three weeks after the fact
David:

I don't check this Web site on a regular basis.  Today, I was going through my comments and looking at the replies to them.

Moments ago, I posted a reply to your question about why Dan Seals got 45 percent in the same congressional district that Obama got 61 percent.  It really isn't a "WTF."  In fact, numerous people knowledgeable about Chicago, where I live, predicted it.

Shalom,
ZWrite


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Blago is arguing it is his job to appoint someone and Illinois needs representation...
If he were worried about Illinois and its representation, he would have resigned already, and Lt. Governor Quinn would have already appointed a replacement.  Shame on Blagojevich for dragging Burris into his shenanigans.  

Takes Two to Tango
"Shame on Blagojevich for dragging Burris into his shenanigans."   Methinks Burris has a little something to do with this as well.

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What, he paid off Blagojevich while he is under investigation by feds?
He wants the senate seat and he's probably the only one still talking to Blago because it's his only shot.  I doubt Quinn would appoint Burris.  Shame on Burris for wanting to be a US Senator?  Come on.  

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Not What I Meant
No, I didn't mean to suggest Burris has done anything improper and I certainly don't believe he paid Blago anything.  Just responding to your comment that Blago "dragged" Burris into this.  IMHO, Burris wasn't dragged into anything.  He went into this with his eyes wide open and for his own reasons.  He voluntarily accepted this appointment.  Blago doesn't have the power to drag Burris into anything since Burris could have declined the appointment.  If Burris is sullied by being associated with this whole mess (which I have no opinion on), then Burris voluntarily and knowingly took that upon himself and he really cannot blame Blago.

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Exactly
By all accounts Burris is a decent guy and if he had ANY part of Blago's prior schemes he would have run as far away as possible.  That being said it's extremely disappointing that Mr. Burris accepted this nomination.   He's nothing more than a pawn in Blago's latest scam.  A pathetic, last ditch effort of the Governor to curry public with the black community.  Burris and Rush both know this but decided to play right into his dirty hands.

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I'm actually rather surprised they ran with it
Which is actually making me suspicious of some more shady deals...

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Should Burris Be Opposed?
If it weren't for the Blago mess, Burris seems like the ideal candidate for Senate.  Basically a place holder so the people can decide for themselves in two years, a reliable Democratic and Obama vote, and (hopefully!) clean.  If there is no indication that he has any involvement in the whole Blago mess, do Democrats really want to fight to prevent his appointment?  What is the value that we are upholding?

But that's just it...
We don't know just how "clean" Burris is. Should we forget why Blagojevich was indicted? Dems made a pledge not to allow any Blago appointment to be seated, so they'd break their promise if they allow Blago to get his "f*cking golden" seat. Don't think for a moment that breaking their promise wouldn't come back to haunt them in Illinois in 2010.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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That's why this is so sticky
If this press conference was a month ago, we'd all be raving about this choice. Burris is in a lot of ways the ideal choice, and he is someone with unquestioned and impeccable integirty which is obviously a large reason why he was chosen.

In terms of 2010, worst case scenario is a special election, which is what Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn is advocating. Or if Burris runs for a full term. But I have very little doubt that is Burris were seated but didn't run for a full term, that the Democratic candidate would win handily in November 2010.

Anyway, I think Jesse White is where the buck will stop. He's going to stall this nomination until Blago is impeached and then Quinn can make his choice.


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In the end
If Blago's pick gets stalled, and I think it will, you know soon to be Governor Quinn will be looking to re-election and trying to curry favor with the black community.  I'm sure he'll find another highly qualified, respect black politician to fill the seat.

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I don't know
If Quinn will run for a full term. Its quite clear Lisa Madigan's got her eyes on the Governor's mansion and I don't know if Quinn's got the political skills to take on someone like Madigan whom some believe could be POTUS someday, or the political courage to take on the Madigan political machine.

Suffice it to say if Quinn weren't running for re-election, it becomes a complete crap shoot as to who he will appoint.


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I hate to be contrary
I HATE TO BE CONTRARY

OK, I really don't hate to be contrary.

Here's my position as an Illinois resident -- if Roland Burris pledges to be an interim senator, I am OK with it.  In other words, if he pledges to not run for re-election, I support the appointment.

Obviously, my approval is contingent on Burris not being involved in any way, shape or form with Blago's crazy schemes.  I wish Patrick Fitzgerald would step forward and say whether Burris is clean.

For those who don't know, Burris was the state attorney general for a long time and had an excellent reputation for a long time -- until today, I guess.

And here is what I wrote on a Swing State post on Nov. 8 -- before there was any controversy.

PART OF MY NOV. 8 POST
"On a serious note, I am a resident of Illinois and I strenuously object to all of the people who have insisted on this post that Blago should pick someone who can win in 2010.  He should do the OPPOSITE.

He should pick someone who promises to NOT run for election in 2010, possibly an older person like Emil Jones or Roland Burris who can cap his career by being a senator for two years."

Shalom,
ZWrite


Unfortunately I think we are well beyond that point now
As someone pointed out in the other thread if Blago had picked Burris November 5 and he pledged not to run in 2010 then no problem but since Senate and other national Dems have be so clear on blocking anybody then it would look terrible to back down now.

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I'm not sure there is anything we can do...
...given the Adam Clayton Powell supreme court case.  Assuming if (and who knows on this score) it's impossible for the Secretary of State to block the appointment it may be necessary to seat Burris and THEN to vote to expel him.

Time to appoint Blago ambassador to Belgium or something and get him the hell away.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...


Here's an article
On the 4 people whom the Senate has refused to seat.

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1009233


They incorrectly label Blagojevich as a Republican under his photo.


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Yahoo pulled a Fox News


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OMGZ Librul Media!
Someone tar and feather them!

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WOW
Like all of you, I watched that press conference.  

Blago taking the stand on the grounds of legality and representative democracy, Burris unaware how much money he donated to Blago, the inability to answer questions.  This thing had it all.

However, I must say that Congressman Rush yesterday tried to over-play the race card worse than I have ever seen.  The fact that Burris couldn't handle the press conference was shocking.  But then to call up Rush to bail him out...sheesh.  And did he really use the term "lynch"...unbelievable.

I'm not sure his argument makes sense.  If we must replace AA senators with another AA then do all white senators get replaced by whites?  Ridiculous.  And didn't we jsut go through a presidnetial election where America supposedly learned to vote without regard to race, only to have that al;l take back a month later because of the racial inequity of the Senate.  Just awful.

I was just shocked by the whole thing.  I know some found it comical theatre, and for Blago and Burris I agree.  Hell even if you thought Burris was qualified after this debacle I think we all know he is not.

But Rush was just terrible.  I cannot believe he got on stage and said that stuff.  And then Blago's closing like he was yelling at someone specific about the appointer and the appointee.  These 3 need to be shipped off a remote island.


About Rush's argument
He was definitely too strident, he was also behaving like a demagogue. But I think his argument, regardless of whether you agree with it, makes sense.

Your comparison to white senators might make sense if whites were significantly under represented or if there were 15 other African-American senators. But neither of those things are true. And there are many people, myself a non-African American included, who believe that the ideal choice for an African-American relinquishing his seat would be another African-American. Now that doesn't mean I would support any African-American, but you give me two people with basically the same qualifications and views and I think the African-American should be chosen.


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It's just the way the Senate seats are decided
Nationally, thanks to the voting rights act, there are a good number of AA majority districts which guarantee at minimum a reasonable amount of representation to the group.  

The Senate seats can not be redistricted, each state gets two seats elected statewide.  I believe TX, NM, HI and maybe CA are the only states where white population is under 50%, so the body is inherently going to give that group of people far more represenation than they otherwise should have, for the time being.  It will change slowly as demographics and attitudes do.  Nothing can really be done about that fact right now.


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Of course
But that's not saying that if/when African-Americans or any minority group are elected to those positions that if they were to vacate those seats an extra consideration shouldn't be given to those from the same group. Like I said, that doesn't mean you appoint some half-wit just because he happens to be of the same racial group as his predecessor. But if you have a white candidate and an African-American candidate with basically the same qualifications and the same views, in this situation I think the latter should be given extra consideration

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I understand you (I think) but...
I guess where that goes, I don't know if I buy what it represents.  (Your though on extra consideration though is well thought though).

If you take into consideration the race, then what you are saying is that race was a consideration the voters had in mind when they elected the original senator.  This, to me, opens a door for race to be an intent in deciding elections and political appointments.  (Of course I think what you're saying is different, not about the electorate of that state but more the representative democracy of the US perhaps needing something extra to have better representational diversity.)

I worry the door could be opened to position anything.  Say there is a ballot with the circle for white candidate and AA candidate both filled in and there is a recount they could say that because the person voted for Obama that the voter intent would be Franken.

I also wonder if this sort of thing could pressure AA reps at all levels of govt to be swayed too.  I would never want them to make political appointments based on their thought that as an AA that the voting public wants them to choose AA appointees, staff members, what have you.

I suppose, I live in my idyllic little world where race doesn't matter.  I worry alot about it though whenever I hear a lot about it because it is such a powder keg.  

And I have my own ideas of what I want in terms of "earning" or "being qualified" for the Senate, and they go far beyond what the Constitution says.  I think Burris is fairly qualified, but this whole thing is a fiasco.  I also don't think he would ever be elected to the Senate, so this is a back door.  On the other hand, I think C Kennedy in NY is not qualified but hasn't been nearly as big a fiasco (so far), but that she would probably be elected.  Ironically if both are appointed I think I can say that CK, Burris, and Lieberman are the bottom 3 for me in the Dem Sen group (and yes I know Liebe is an IND).

Enough ranting from me.  You all have a good New Year.  I just got "released from work 2 hours early..WOO HOO.


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The voters of Illinois
Did elect an African-American, whatever there reasoning may be. Since that individual has moved on to another job, I think its very appropriate to believe that the right move should be to select a qualified, competent individual with a similar vision as his predecessor. And like I said the African-American(s) who fit that bill should IMO be given extra consideration because of who there predecessor is.

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The voters of Illinois elected
a man who was born in Hawaii to a Kansan mother and a Kenyan father, who grew up in Indonesia, who went to Harvard Law School, who lost to Bobby Rush in a congressional race, who has a last name that rhymes with "Osama", and who spoke at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.  And he happens to be (considered) black.

Just where would you draw the line?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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The line is that
If/when an African-American is elected to the US Senate, considering that he's the only one, I don't think its unreasonable to believe that if a qualified African-American desires to be his replacement he should given extra consideration of someone of a different race with similar qualifications.

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My question is
Why is "African-American" such a special characteristic that we should necessarily aim to replace that characteristic, over any other distinguishing characteristic of Barack Obama?

If anything, instead of an African-American person serving as Senator, we'll be having an African-American person serving as President!

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Good point
Also, ANY potential Dem appointee to the Senate from Illinois is going to be extremely sensitive to AA issues regardless of color.  Everyone knows they make up an incredibly large proportion of the Democratic base in that state.  It's not like a white appointee is going to ignore them.    

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Fantasyland idea
Bear with me with my imagination.  This is only my imgagination running rampant.

Blago, fearing that there is no way that he won't get impeached, decides to (a) appoint Burris to help sway some of the Black Illinois legislatures not to impeach him; and (b) decides to switchover and become a Republican!  The GOP welcomes him with open arms, and rush to his defense that he was only a victim of this heathen Fitzpatrick.  The legislature votes, and Blago is not impeached.

Okay, this wouldn't happen, but I bet there are some Republicans (National and State) that would be okay with Blago switching parties.  Ethics has never been a strong point with the current Republican faction.  

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


Through the looking-glass?
Not all Republicans will be very happy, though- as much as all- er- we realize that ethics is really not a Republican thing they would still rather like to use the whole Blagojevich debacle against the Democrats.
However weak their argument is.
It'ld be pretty interesting to watch if that happens, and considering the content that can be mined from the minefields of profanities that are his conversations with advisors, plausibly a logic he might have come up with in some twisted way that only makes sense to him.
The Burris pick appears to be a fairly smart one, though.

Maybe he's not insane after all, hm.


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Actually I like Burris
and I think he would be a good Senator for Illinois...under normal circumstances.  I just believe he's being used by Blago in many different ways.

As far as the Republicans go, you are exactly right.  They will love beating up the Democrats over Blago, although the Dems have been leading the cause to impeach him.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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Doubt the repubs would welcome him
Even they have some standards.

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I agree
I was just being imaginative.  The Republicans will use Blago to their greatest advantage.  He's better used as a whipping post and a symbol of Democratic morals.  Their argument, of course, is a load of crap.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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i'm governor...and you're not
burris did not look like an impressive guy in any way, partly because he was trying to do the impossible - explain how it was that he accepted an appointment from an indicted governor who is being impeached.

and he thinks this a nice cap for his career.  it has besmirched his record in a terrible way, and the good will he engendered over 20 years will dissappear over night with this thing.


Not only himself
Doesn't Burris have a son or two and other relatives serving in various offices in Illinois?  This could damage their future prospects as well.

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so how quickly can they impeach?
and does blago need to be proven "guilty" of something in order to do it.  it seems to me that despite his lawyer and burris talking about how one is innocent until proven guilty, that's the legal system not the political system.  can't the legislature just impeach him because he sucks and is an ineffective, disgraced governor.

One would hope
Wonder if Illinois allows for voter recalls if all else fails.

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Yes
And they absolutely must.  

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The Roland Burris Mausoleum?
Am I the only one here who finds this story a bit odd?  Aren't maussoleum's usually done after a person has died?  Oh well, guess it's better to write your own version of history while you're alive than to let others after you die.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...

(CNN) -- Anyone who doubts Roland Burris' qualifications to serve as the next senator from Illinois may want to head to Chicago's Oak Woods Cemetery.

, Burris, whom embattled Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich appointed to succeed President-elect Barack Obama in the Senate on Tuesday, has erected a granite mausoleum listing his many accomplishments.

Under the seal of the state of Illinois and the words "Trail Blazer," Burris, 71, has listed his many firsts in granite, including being the state's first African-American attorney general and the state's first African-American comptroller.

The memorial also notes that Burris was the first African-American exchange student to Hamburg University in Germany from Southern Illinois University in 1959.

There appears to be enough room to add "U.S. senator" to the memorial, but Burris may never get a chance to serve in Washington.

A Senate Democratic aide told CNN on Wednesday that plans were in the works to prevent Burris from being seated in the Senate.

After Blagojevich made the surprise move to appoint Obama's successor, Senate Democrats praised Burris but said they could not accept any appointment by Blagojevich after his arrest on corruption charges earlier this month. Federal prosecutors say he conspired to "sell" Obama's Senate seat for campaign donations and other favors.



i don't know if anyone has had this theory but...
before the indictment, there was talk of blago appointing an aa to bolster his base for re-election.  i think that's that he's doing.  i really think he's deranged and delusional enough to believe he's running for re-election.  if that's the case, he needs to be studied.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

After Jeffrey Fieger...
...Dr Jack Kevorkian's lawyer pulled off an inexplicable upset and torpedoed the Democratic Party in Michigan thanks to getting the Detroit vote I can't discount the possibility assuming Blago isn't in prison by then.

It makes no sense but stranger things have happened.

I'm still worried that Jefferson is going to run again in New Orleans and somehow give Cao a second term.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...


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I thought we still won whichever Michigan seat it was despite Kevorkian
So what race(s) are you referring to?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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He's talking about the Governor's race from about a decade ago
Jeffrey Feiger, Dr. Kevorkian's trial lawyer, ran for Governor of Michigan as a Democrat in 1996 or 1998, can't remember which.  Feiger had a huge stigma attached to him and was completely unelectable.  He won the Dem primary for a few reasons - the black vote, republicans crossing over to vote in the Dem primary for Feiger to screw us over, etc.  Feiger lost in a landslide as expected.

You are thinking about a different race, the 2008 MI-09 race where Kevorkian himself ran as an independent.  Democrat Peters still ousted Rep. Knollenberg in that race by 10 points with Kevorkian having a minimal impact.


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Yup. 1998 Gov race.
Every Democrat for every office was forced to decide how they wanted to distance themselves from Fieger and were attacked if they did anything short of endorsing Engler.  Was a loadstone around every Democrat's neck who was running for office.

Even more disapointing since I thoght Larry Owen would've been a good candidate and could've given Engler a race.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...


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Rep. Rush now bringing up Little Rock, 1957, George Wallace, Bill Connors
An excerpt from the Early Show where Rep. Rush appeared.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...

RODRIGUEZ: Yesterday we heard you say that they shouldn't hang and lynch the appointee to punish the appointer. But do you believe that this is the way the only African-American Senator should be seated? Tainted, rightly or not, by a scandal and against the objections of most of his own party?

Rep. RUSH: Well, let me just say this, you know, the recent history of our nation has shown us that sometimes there could be individuals and there could be situations where school children--where you have officials standing in the doorway of school children. You know, I'm talking about all of us back in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas. I'm talking about George Wallace, Bull Connors and I'm sure that the US Senate don't want to see themselves placed in the same position. I know my friend Harry Reid...



BS
What is his problem? STFU asshole.

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It's a slap in the face to people like Rep. John Lewis
And all the other great people who actually do have the scars to prove they were on the freedom marches in the 50's and 60's.

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Oh gawd, Bobby.
Please STFU before you make it any worse.

If anything, ask Blago to GTFO, and then ask Quinn to re-appoint Burris.  Seriously, that's a reasonable and workable idea.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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