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CA-04: UPDATED: Brown 1,800 Votes Behind

by: Progressive America

Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 6:52 PM EST


(From the diaries - promoted by James L.)

Tom "The Carpetbagger" McClintock's lead is down to 359 votes, down from a lead that was once over 1,000 votes. The gap closed with the addition of provisional and absentee ballots from Nevada County (Brown's strong area in the district). There are now 2 counties left to report (El Dorado and Placer), which happen to be two of the closer counties. McClintock right now has slight leads in both of them, but provisionals are expected to favor Brown at a higher rate than normal ballots.

According to this post at edhtelegraph, Brown has a decent chance of winning:

Results today from Nevada County indicate Brown is getting 6 percentage points more of the provisional votes than Tom McClintock compared to the proportion of regular and mail-in ballots.

If the remaining uncounted ballots in Placer and El Dorado Counties follow the same pattern where the uncounted mail-in ballots match the proportions from November 4 while Brown gets a 6% edge of the provisional ballots then Brown will squeak out a win. This assumes that 10% of the provisional ballots are no good.

Let's hope these remaining ballots come out this way. I think the big question mark will be who the absentee ballots favor, while provisionals should definitely favor Brown.

UPDATE (DavidNYC): Apparently, Placer County has finished counting and Brown is now 1,793 votes back.

LATE UPDATE (DavidNYC): The Sacramento Bee says that only 4,500 ballots are left to be counted in the whole district. Brown would need 70% of those to pull even.

ANOTHER UPDATE (DavidNYC): This piece says that only 4,100 votes are uncounted and that McClintock has all but declared victory. However, in another twist, the Brown camp says that there were some 10,000 undervotes district-wide. The issue, of course, is what percentage of these were intentional undervotes.

The problem for Brown, though, is that right now, the margin stands at 0.6%, just outside the 0.5% threshhold which would mandate a hand-recount of 10% of the ballots. So we might not get to find out if there were systemic machine problems that produced false undervotes. No matter what, this one is looking extremely tough right now.

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I assume this will go to a recount whatever
Correct?

Most likely...
I believe CA law allows for a state funded recount if the margin's within 0.5%. And since it seems we're in for a less than 0.5% gap between Brown and McCarpetbagger, we're likely in for a recount.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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absentees vs. provisionals
According to this from the California Secratary of State's office:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/election...

Nearly 80% of the unprocessed ballots in the district are absentee ballots.


Semantics
I don't know if absentee is the right term. Many who do not live in CA do not realize that we have a very small-l liberal mail-in ballot policy. When yo register to vote, you can have yourself placed on the list. That's why CA eelctions take so long to count anymore, though I do not remember an election being decided so late since 1994.

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Gotten Closer
According to the Sec of State count, the gap is now down to 331 votes.  http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns...  According to an e-mail I got from the campaign today, there are still "tens of thousands of votes" still uncounted.  

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It's down to 329 votes


Thanks for the correction
My math skills seem to be off.  It's 329, not 331.  

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Fun...
I guess we're in for a recount in CA-04! I can hardly wait to see the fun "arrow" and "lizard people" and "thumbprint" ballots being challenged here! :-D

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


No, too close to the ocean.
Watch for Fish People.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Watch out for Patrick Duffy!


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Placer County mostly in...
...and McClintock shoots into a 1,793 vote lead. Oh well.

Wow, game over I guess
I suppose it is better to lose my 1000+ these days than under a hundred.  No nutty recount drama at least.

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It's Pretty Much Over
Tom McClintock will be the new Congressman from CA-04

That's too bad
Guess those absentees really favored McClintock.  

margin just under .5%
But barely--about .49%.

This district is just too Republican
and even then Brown came close, but I'm willing to bet this was Obama's worst district in California. Nice try though, guess this district won't be looked at by us again in the near future.

Let's pour some focus into the Orange County area.  

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McCain won here 54%-44%
It was probably one of Obama's worst in the state, but probably not as bad as CA-22.  On the bright side, this would have been a seat that would have been a bitch to defend in 2010.  

Well...
Hopefully McClintock ditches the job in 2010 for a quixotic quest for Governor of California.  He's got an ego big enough to try it... and fail miserably.

The Mysterious Case of
Katherine Harris Tom McClintock and the Ten-Foot Pole?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Let's face it
the only reason why Brown had a shot at this district without Doolittle is because the candidate was McClintock. Without him, there's no way we win here.  

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So you're basically saying
that we should view this district much like WY-AL?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Basically, yes
WY-AL is pretty unwinnable as well. Trauner, like Brown, is an excellent candidate, but there just aren't enough votes in the districts to put them over the top

Maybe in the next decades, especially Wyoming because we have a whole state there and redistricting doesn't become a factor there, but not now.

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The problem with your thesis
Is that Brown has come within a hair's breadth of winning. Sorry, but that does not qualify as "no way we win here." We very nearly did.

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Yes we did
but if we can't beat McClintock, who the hell CAN we beat?  

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McClintock is beloved by conservatives
I hardly think he was their worst possible candidate.  

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So he'd compare to Palin?
Loved by conservatives, regarded as an idiot by everyone else?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Yes, very much so
The difference is Palin was running a national campaign while McClintock was running in a batshit crazy conservative district.  That's why one of them won and the other lost in a landslide.

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That's my point


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Great candidate
unwinnable district.  McClintock will delusionally run for something else and lose.  If he stays in the distrct it could be competitive next cycle if he acts more wingnutty than usual (say starts to run a statewide campaign in six months, then stops), but in the long run the best we can hope for is a more moderate Republican like Ose takes the seat.

How can a district be unwinnable
When you lose by such a narrow margin? If a butterfly had flapped its wings differently six months ago, we might be up 2K instead of down 2K.

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Of course if he pulled a Sali
or a Foley it could be won, but Mcclintock is a carpetbagger extremist.  Doolittle was seen as a crook.

If you can't beat two guys like that with a great candidate, how do you expect to win?  Okay, it certainly is not "unwinnable".  If Mcclintock was caught in bed with both a goat and a sheep, someone like Brown would beat him next time.

But if Mcclintock goes and runs for mayor of Memphis or wherever he tries next, Ose would win by 10 points against any Democrat, and 15 or more against a weak one.

If Mcclintock stays put, and does some damn fool thing (not that unlikely) he could lose, but I'm assuming he won't run for reelection, in which case the seat will not be winnable if someone like Ose runs.


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Dead Goat Or Live Sheep condition?
One that's even further out than the Dead Girl Or Live Boy condition?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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