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WA-08: My Two Cents

by: Crisitunity

Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 8:23 PM EST


There's been a lot of online sadness in the blogosphere over Darcy Burner's concession in the race in Washington's Eighth District, as well there should be. In any other district, I don't think I'd feel compelled to write add one more post-mortem, but my two cents might actually be worth three or four cents, seeing as how I spend a big part of my time in this district (I live in Seattle, but I spend eight hours a day slaving over a hot computer in Bellevue).

One of the main contentions that I've seen elsewhere is that the Seattle Times threw the election with its last minute hit piece on Burner's academic credentials. While it was pretty lazy, poorly researched journalism and it certainly didn't help Burner's cause (although their subsequent follow-up article about Reichert's own rather underwhelming academic background may actually have helped her), I can't see this having turned the election. In my gut, it seems more like something that turned quickly into the usual 'he said, she said' noise that dominates horse-race coverage and riles up the partisans but whooshes right past low-information voters. It may have been the decisive moment for a few undecideds, but I can't see it making 8,000 votes worth of difference.

Beyond my gut, there's also the matter that the numbers for this race right now are almost identical to those from two years ago (51.5-48.5) despite the injection of a lot more voters in a presidential year. It doesn't seem like the needle moved much over two years... which to me suggests that the 'lack of [elective] experience' meme, which did Burner in last time, continued to be top-of-mind. There's also the matter of polls: the one poll that had trendlines representing both before and after the Seattle Times story, the Daily Kos-sponsored Research 2000 poll, gave Reichert an 8-pt lead before the story and found the race a tie after. (Granted, there was an economic crisis somewhere in there too, so there may have been competing currents at work.) Finally, in my own experience phonebanking in the days before the election, I never ran into anyone who said the degree flap was an issue (although in comments mcjoan claims to have experienced it a lot, so your mileage may vary).

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Crisitunity :: WA-08: My Two Cents
One other sentiment I saw a lot in comments on this race is that it's just a hard district for Democrats. Again, I'd have to disagree with that; it's a D+2.3 district, and as we saw a few days ago, this is the fourth most Democratic-leaning district in the country that still has a Republican representative. What we have here is an opponent who is unusually well-tailored for the district instead. My sense is that there are at least three different mini-districts competing in this district: Bellevue, which is increasingly diverse and full of younger tech professionals (and becoming more liberal, like many other 50s-era inner-ring suburbs); further out suburbs like Sammamish and Issaquah which are more dominated by older, more economically conservative voters (many of whom are probably voted for Obama, but are ticket-splitters who remember the once-dominant northwestern moderate Republicanism and will opt for someone who promises to restore that); and the rural/exurban reaches of the district, which tend to be more right-wing, albeit in a backwoodsy libertarian/leave-me-alone way.

Reichert's unusual skill is that he manages to appeal to two of those camps: he's macho and law-and-order enough to appeal to the rural areas (and more blue-collar suburbs built around Boeing machinists, like Auburn, where Reichert is originally from)... but he also has the moderate, bipartisan Dan Evans-Republican schtick (in part from his many years as King County Sheriff, a nonpartisan position where he seemed to get along well enough with the county's Democratic leadership) that appeals to the older suburbanites. Burner obviously plays well to the other younger, techy part of the district, but that's about it.

For 2010, there are several state legislators in the district who might be better at taking the fight onto Reichert's turf. State senators Rodney Tom (who started to explore running in the primary this year, but quickly jumped out when overwhelmed by Burner's national fundraising capacity) and Fred Jarrett both seem to have more appeal to the economically conservative but socially tolerant and pro-environment ticket-splitting types who used to dominate this district. In fact, they both started out in the State House as moderate Republicans, and have been pretty solidly progressive since switching parties once the magnitude of how insane Republican leadership has become in the Bush years became apparent to them. I think many residents of this district would identify with that evolution and would tend to view that as sensible rather than opportunism or flip-flopping. State representative Chris Hurst, on the other hand, is a veteran and a resident of the district's rural southern end; he would play stronger in Reichert's strongest turf and counteract Reichert's own tough-guy image.

Which isn't to say that Burner should disappear; far from it. If she's really serious about elective office, she needs to start a little down the totem pole and build the legislative resume and local connections there... and there are still a few Republicans representing the Eastside in the state legislature who need to be eradicated. Unfortunately, her old house was located in the 45th LD, which currently elects all Democrats. However, I assume she's in the market for a new house, and she might move a mile down the road to the 5th LD, which is further out in the sticks and still elects all Republicans, but rapidly filling in with suburban development. Unfortunately, she'd need to wait another 4 years to take on state senator Cheryl Pflug, but in two years she can take on representative Glenn Anderson, who just squeaked by (51-49) against some guy I've never heard of (David Spring). Or alternately, she's in King County Council District 3, which is represented by moderate Republican Kathy Lambert, up for re-election in 2009. Either way, with her name rec and fundraising abilities, it would be an easier way to get her foot in the electoral door, and I think many voters for whom the 'experience' meme worked against her would actually be happy to see her reaffirm her commitment to public service, if at a lower pay grade.

(Unfortunately, there's a possibility that by the time she cut her teeth some more, WA-08 would already be filled by another Democrat. One other possibility is that Washington may gain a 10th House seat after the 2010 census, in which case a new seat would probably include part of WA-08, which is one of the state's fastest growing areas, so she might keep that in mind.)

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Moderate Republican Kathy Lambert?
That's a new one to me.  I certainly agree that Darcy should run for something else and it seems like Lambert would be a great target, though Darcy would need to develop some fluency in county issues such as land use (lots of people in that district are extremely unhappy about King County land use rules) and transportation.  State legislature would be a good target as well, but of course, only if she moves into the 5th LD, which is entirely within the 9th CD.

No, the 5th LD
is the eastern half of King County, so it's the core of WA-08; in fact, it's Dino Rossi's old district: Sammamish, upper Issaquah, Snoqualmie/North Bend. Unfortunately, as you'll see on this map, Ames Lake is literally on the wrong side of the highway for being in the 5th.

Kathy Lambert is just sort of from the country club wing of the GOP like Jane Hague, right? Sort of the old-school  Eastside mindset. Yeah, that's not really moderate (she's bad on land use issues, I assume), but I wanted to convey that despite representing a mostly rural area she's not a wingnut or theocrat. She doesn't seem as conservative as Reagan Dunn, who'd be a real threat to take this seat back for the GOP if a Democrat picked it up. (He's son of Jennifer Dunn, who used to represent WA-08 for many years, in case any non-locals are wondering.)


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Sorry--I meant 8th! whoops
Yes the 5th is entirely within the 8th CD, though as you state she would have to move to run there.

I would not describe Lambert and Hague as being in the same league.  Lambert and Dunn would probably be more in the same league, especially on land use.  Lambert is quite religious, has like 6 kids, and though she's ok on social spending (was originally a supporter of King County's mental health sales tax), she's anti-union and well to the right of the country club, Jane Hague, Jennifer Dunn types.  Reagan Dunn is also quite conservative, though not in the religious sense, more in the law-and-order Dave Reichert sense.


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The polidata.org folks
aren't presently projecting a seat pick-up for WA.
States Gaining/Losing Seats based upon 2010 Projections
Though I think WA might be right on the bubble.
But probably would have to strike that as an option for Darcy Burner.

That's Oregon, not Washington.


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Where is the growth coming from in WA?
Is it mainly the Seattle metro area?  Sucks for Dems that WA had independent redistricting.  It might make it difficult to make a new house seat democratic.

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It's coming in several places
The fastest growing district in Washington, believe it or not, is WA-03, because of fast growth in the Vancouver area. (Lots of people moving to the Portland area like it because there's no income tax in Washington, and then you can cross the river and shop in Oregon to avoid sales tax.) WA-08 is second fastest growing, as lots of subdivisions keep popping up in the foothills.

I sat down with a calculator one day to figure out what would happen if Washington did gain a 10th seat. There are a lot of ways to play it, but probably what would happen would be a new slightly Dem-leaning seat in Seattle's eastern suburbs, but WA-03 would wind up losing Olympia to WA-09, leaving WA-03 with a rating around R+4 or so. In fact, one possible explanation for Brian Baird's increasing douchebaggery is that he's sensing the likelihood of having a much more conservative district after 2010.

Anyway, I've always thought it unlikely that Washington will nab that 10th seat. It's growing fast, but certainly not Texas or Florida levels of fast.


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Forecasting
It got considerably more difficult to foresee the results of the 2010 Census when the economy shifted into reverse. Population flows are influenced in large part by employment, in turn by which industries are creating jobs. Now we are in a period when many industries are shedding jobs and will continue to do so for the next year or two. My sympathies to the demographers trying to predict which states will grow or shrink as a result of the ongoing economic crisis!

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Baird
I have noticed over the years a shift in my Congressman Brian Baird. Some of the stances he has been taking such as now supporting the Iraq War, some enviromental issues such as sea lion hunting and logging, and etc have been more conservative leaning than what you would expect. Ive never liked Baird since his made up story about 9-11 when I was much younger but actually voted for him this year since I disliked the GOP nominee even more.

A cat can have kittens in an oven but that doesn't make them biscuits.

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WA-03 will shrink
Now its a huge district, because Clark County alone was not quite enough in 2002 to form its own district so it extends all the way north to southern Thurston County (Olympia).

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McMorris Rodgers
maybe she can move to a morderate section of Mcmorris Rodgers district and gain experience there and run for her seat in the future.  

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Say what?
Have Burner move across the state to a Republican district with a popular incumbent that as far as we can see isnt going anywhere anytime soon? She would have way better luck at a third run against Reichert.

A cat can have kittens in an oven but that doesn't make them biscuits.

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Not bloody likely
Western and Eastern Washington are two different worlds, and the 5th CD is absolutely not going to elect a Democrat any time soon, especially not one like Darcy.

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Very helpful post!
Hey, I'm a long-time fan, happy lurker over here, but I just wanted to thank you for this thoughtful, carefully-argued post.  It really helped me understand the lay of the land in WA-08, and I'm appreciative that you actually did the hard work of researching possible candidates for 2010 and possible options for Burner.  The blogosphere has regrettably seemed too much like an echo chamber in the autopsy of Burner's loss -- it's refreshing to see some new points. Thanks for your great work!

Glad to see you de-lurk!
Welcome!

And I was going to say myself, this is a very insightful, thoughtful piece, and it has a lot more explanatory power than the "Seattle Times screwed Darcy" monocausal explanations.


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Reichert is a strong candidate
There is no reason to say "what went wrong".  Sometimes the residents of a district just prefer the other guy.

Reichert is a good match for the district and a strong candidate.  It's hard to get some people to accept a relatively inexperienced unknown when you have a guy who doesn't suck.  This is a race that really calls out for a state office holder or at minimum a state senator to go after.


that's why i think paulsen won
in MN-3.  He is a good candidate who is already established in the district that people know and like.  Madia, while obviously the better candidate because he wont vote this country into ground is new on the scene and people simply go with what they trust.

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Good comparison
Basically, it is very hard to beat an established, decent incumbent with an untested, decent candidate, regardless of somewhat prefered ideology.  Reichert, Paulsen, Kirk... these guys did nothing to betray the trust of their district or let people down.  They were opposed by candidates whose strengths would be magnified against flawed incumbents, but are diminished against trusted incumbents.

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Agreed.
While I may get flack from some quarters for saying it, I agree that Burner isn't a very good fit for the district. It doesn't help her from the beginning that her best credential is her Microsoft background and appeal to techies, but most of the Microsoft-heavy areas (including Redmond and Kirkland) are actually in WA-01. Reichert is also the sort of "moderate" law-and-order kind of guy that low-info voters in the rural part of the district (and plenty of moderate suburbanites) go for in droves. I agree that what did Darcy in is her lack of appeal to two of the three major district demographics.

I also agree about the Seattle Times. When I lived in Seattle (WA-07, but same region), everyone I talked to about it absolutely hated the Times and thought it was an unprofessional shitrag. Even more telling, I actually had a temp job updating subscription information for the Seattle Times for a week in 2005. (Which is how the subject usually came up - "you work for who? Ecch!") The Times and the P-I have a linked subscription database despite being separate papers, and there was on average one Times subscription renewal for every ten to twelve renewals of the P-I. The Times is taken seriously by a very small percentage of the electorate in Greater Seattle; most people who read newspapers know it sucks and read the P-I instead. Anyone in WA-08 who was low-info enough to be influenced by the Times hit piece probably a.) doesn't read newspapers and b.) were going to vote for Reichert anyway. The majority of people would've just ignored it.

All in all, a solid analysis. Darcy's a solid progressive, and I hope she runs for an office where she'll be a better fit/more appreciated by her constituents.  


Yeah, I was thinking that
The Seattle Times piece probably didn't move people as much as it just gave an excuse to right-leaning ticket-splitters who were in all likelihood going to vote for Reichert anyway but gave them a way to verbalize why they were going to vote the way they were.

Probably more influential, if anything, was the Post-Intelligencer's endorsement of Reichert. I think most local newspaper readers understand that the Times has the conservative editorial page and the PI has the liberal editorial page, and the PI endorsed Burner last time, so when they endorsed Reichert, it caught a lot of people by surprise and probably led a few people to think "Well, if even the PI says so, yeah, maybe he's an OK moderate after all." But, again, that in itself probably didn't move 8000 votes on its own either.


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Actually, the PI endorsing Reichert might've been it.
As you say, Seattlites take that editorial page seriously, and a lot of voters in WA-08 had doubts about Burner running a second time instead of "getting a real job". The PI endorsing Reichert this time was a perfect affirmation for people harboring those doubts. The Times/talk radio hitjob just firmed up Reichert's leaners, especially in the rural areas. The suburbanites who decided the election probably were convinced by the PI endorsement as a validation of their own doubts about Burner. I think that more than any other factor, the PI endorsing Reichert may have cost her the election.  

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You're ignoring talk radio
The Seattle Times hit piece, if it stayed within the confines of the newspaper would have probably not mattered much, but the matter was picked up by talk radio which butchered Burner relentlessly, calling her a liar.  The combination provided Reichert with fodder for TV ads and a Web site dedicated to the Harvard degree issue.

It is not hard to conceive that 4000 voters on the fence were influenced to vote for Reichert over Burner over this issue.

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Don't think so.
Most people who listen to talk radio tend to lean (or lunge) Republican anyway. It's very popular in the rural West (see: 1994 "Republican Revolution"), but not so much among educated suburbanites, and I doubt that the swing voters in this case were from that demographic. A lot of them probably also mailed in their ballots before the issue even came up, and the rest would get their news from the PI or from TV, not from talk radio. (Nor do I buy 4000 people in this demographic being influenced by one negative ad after two years of being bombarded with negative campaign advertising.) As cristiunity says above, the PI endorsing Reichert probably swayed a lot more of this demographic than the hit piece did. I don't buy your logic at all.  

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Talk radio is highly influential here
It wasn't just Dori Monson.  Jon Carlson and Ken Schramm laid into Burner big time and Schramm did so in a disgusting way on TV.  Until this issue Reichert was running tired talking point ads.  After it broke they pounced on the issue and plastered TV advertising with it.

I don't think that endorsements had much effect at all.  The Times picked a number of losing candidates.  The endorsements all praised Burner but just thought Reichert was better, or in the PI's case, that the voters in the 8th should strive to keep at least one Republican in congress (faint praise if you ask me).

There were a lot of people canvassing those last days to get out the vote, supposedly targeting strong Democrats who were getting flack from voters about the issue of the supposed lies.  These were not fence sitters.  This issue was a huge kick in the gut to the campaign and clearly changed the dynamic of the race.

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Fair enough.
It's probably a combination of the two. I haven't set foot in that district in two years, so you probably know what you're talking about better than I do. I get the sense, however, that the hitjob on Burner combined with the PI endorsement just validated the aforementioned doubts that a lot of voters already had about Burner not "getting a real job" instead of running for Congress again. (As I've said before, nobody takes the Times seriously, so of course their candidates lost.)

Do people in Bellevue and Mercer Island listen to talk radio as much as people in the more rural areas? I always got the sense that TV played a much bigger role than radio in the suburbs.  


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Refreshing post from someone on the ground in WA-08.
My gut feeling is that WA-08 is a lot like NM-01. Heather Wilson, like Reichert, continually beat back challenges from top-tier Democrats in a D+ district. Upon her retirement, the seat was easily won by a relatively unknown Dem. I suspect the same will happen in WA-08 unless someone steps up in the meantime.

Does anybody have a gauge on Reichert's availability to constituents? Is he generally responsive to his voters' needs? That's where Wilson got her swing votes.

And simply because I'm too lazy to look myself, does anybody have an idea what the Presidential race looked like in WA-08? I'm curious as to whether it can still be considered D+2.3 after last Tuesday.


Wrong about the polls
There was no polling taken after the hit piece broke.  The final four polls showed Burner ahead or tied.  SurveyUSA released a poll showing her up 50-46 the day before the hit piece.  Internal campaign polling taken the following week clearly showed the matter was doing major damage, and the vote counting also showed that Burner beat Reichert among early voters (about 30% of votes would have been sent in by the time the hit piece broke), and did worse than 2 years ago the day of the election and with later absentees that would have been cast after the hit piece.

Sure, there are many factors that go into a race's outcome, but the evidence is there that despite no other external factors, Burner lost a race she was by all accounts leading until that hit piece.

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fine analysis
While I do think the hit piece was damaging, I agree that Burner just wasn't the best candidate for this district.

Aggressuvely blue collar
One thing that seemed lkely from thousands of miles away is that Reichert looked blue collar, acted blue collar an had a blue collar background (high level cop who worked his way up the ladder).  The T shirts and muscles were an in your face response to Darcy's Harvard/Microsoft pedigree.

The education issue should have been Harvard degree vs. Associates not "economics.  But I got the idea from the "real job" and school board comments that Darcy haters really didn't like her or at least her type.  She had a real job and was good at it, thank you. Funny thing is that computer work is the white collar job that often appeals to some blue collar types.


Chris Hurst
I am late to the party but I wanted to add my own two cents here as well on Chris Hurst.

I have volunteered for the Ross/Burner campaigns the past three cycles out in the rural parts of the 8th and Chris Hurst's favorables in that part of the district are just incredible. I have never seen another candidate have so many people spontaneously volunteer how much they like a politician.

If Hurst could carry anything like a generic Democratic margin in the other areas I think he would be tough to beat.    


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